[A] The Agency - GAME OVER -- SPIES WIN

[mscriv]

@WoodNUFC, you're a jerk!

 

[mscriv]

Wait, I know we can't change anything now, but since Wood was under surveillance shouldn't we have known about his vote before the results were finalized? We talked about that previously in the thread and I thought that we were keeping it that way since it is how the first game was played. @ravenvii, we really need to clarify those rules before we play again. Kudos to @WoodNUFC for the well played deception, but we should have had the opportunity to use our other No Confidence.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

I hate to say it, but this is actually beginning to get a little bit interesting……

Wow. An outcome that may actually be…..a little……unpredictable…….and unknown. (Pours another glass of wine….the wine that didn't go into tonight's dinner…..but into my mouth, instead….)

 

[Moyank24]

That's just cold Wood. Not really what I was expecting when I said I wasn't completely confident in that team.

Should be interesting seeing what team he puts together.

 

[WoodNUFC]

Mscriv
Twietee
DP
Koodauw
QoS

 

[FenrisMoonlight]

Mscriv
Twietee
DP
Koodauw
QoS

LoL - very nice Wood - we know there is a least 1 spy in there between mscriv, DP and QoS. The question is have you included a second one in case we decided to OK your team or have you just included the 1 spy assuming we'd Nay your team and exclude anyone you choose.

 

[FenrisMoonlight]

Summary of missions so far

Mission 1
Team Leader: mscriv
Team: Koodauw, WoodNUFC, Queen of Spades

Mission Votes
yay: 6 twietee, Moyank24, Koodauw, Queen of Spades, WoodNUFC, TechGod
nay: 2 FenrisMoonlight, Don't panic
No Vote: Sythas

Plots
Establish Confidence -> WoodNUFC (mscriv is agent)
Eavesdrop -> Koodauw (DP is Agent)
No Confidence -> Queen of Spades

Mission Succeeded! 3x Success


Mission 2
Team Leader: Koodauw
Team: WoodNUFC, Queen of Spades, Don't panic, mscriv

Mission Votes
yay: 6 Sythas, mscriv, Moyank24, WoodNUFC, Don't panic, Queen of Spades
nay: 1 FenrisMoonlight
No Vote: TechGod, twietee

Plots
Strong Leader -> DP
Strong Leader -> mscriv
Under Surveillance -> Wood

Mission Failed! 3x Success, 1x Failure


Mission 3.1
Team Leader: Don't panic
Team: QoS, Moyank24, FenrisMoonlight, Twietee

Mission Votes
yay: 5 twietee, Moyank24, Queen of Spades, TechGod, Koodauw
nay: 4 Sythas, mscriv, WoodNUFC, FenrisMoonlight

Plots
Eavesdrop -> Twietee (mscriv is agent)
Take Responsibility -> Moyank
No Confidence -> Fenris

QoS No Confidence on the mission


Mission 3.2
Team Leader: QoS
Team: mscriv, WoodNUFC, FenrisMoonlight, Twietee

Mission Votes
nay: 5 Koodauw, Moyank24, Don't panic, twietee, TechGod
yay: 1 WoodNUFC

Mission voted down.


Mission 3.3
Team Leader: TechGod
Team Members: mscriv, WoodNUFC, Twietee, Sythas

Mission Votes
yay: 5 twietee, WoodNUFC, Sythas, Queen of Spades, Moyank24
nay: 2 FenrisMoonlight, Don't panic

Mission Failed! 3x Success, 1x Failure - Failure vote was WoodNUFC


Cards still in play
Fenris: No Confidence
mscriv: Strong Leader
Don't panic: Strong Leader

 

[TechGod]

Nay.

 

[twietee]

ach, dammit..

and to think how obvious he sort of played..boo wood. boo!

now i look bad of course. did he do it to 'protect' sythas? did he play kamikaze during qos's
turn to set her up? the last one i doubt a bit but we'll see. he excellently abused the whole situation of course, boo!

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not sure, why i thought sythas would be next in line. nay

 

[twietee]

Thanks for the summaries, Fenris. Really helpful.

Cards still in play
Fenris: No Confidence
mscriv: Strong Leader
Don't panic: Strong Leader
Moyank: Take responsibility

Cards still available
A Close Eye: 2x (worthless)
No Confidence: 1x
In the Spotlight: 1x (worthless)
Establish Confidence: 1x
Open Up: 1x


Alright, 7 6 cards still available with only three two actually helping us to move forward (Establish Confidenc, Open Up and Eavesdrop) and 1 being semi helpful (No Confidence). 3 of those (A close Eye and In the Spotlight) are totally worthless now so I guess every agent should sacrifice a tasty donut to random.org.

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Edit to avoid double and triple posts:

No reason to stick my head now into the sand just because I yay'd last mission. I was still hoping that banging the woodNUFC drum would possibly convince/bring some (mscriv mostly) to nay it.

My assumption now (work in progress): QoS really is a spy. Left woodNUFC out intially to bring us to talk him into the team. Moyank is one as well - not only because of QoS's strange Fenris/Mo calssification but also because I think Mo never really picked up on that herself (IIRC - feel free to prove me wrong with a quote Mo). Fenris would be innocent. Moyank and QoS did wait until the very last minute but quickly locked it.

My guess is: Fenris and likely DP are agents. mscriv definitely is. I am but I can understand if you guys don't trust me anymore. My comment about wood was, as mentioned above, about bringing others to nay the mission - a pity that I had voted so early.

As for the 4th spy: no idea. Sythas/Koodauw, TechGod (twietee for you guys I guess). I guess of those, Koodauw makes the most sense to be inlcuded since an Open up (result to mscriv) or Eavesdrop (for mscriv) could clear him and DP in one rush (best case) or at least reveal one more spy (Koodauw).

I guess mscriv, DP, Koodauw and Fenris are a viable team, although I can nothing but repeat that I'm an agent myself.

edit: ah, missed that we need 5 agents now. Then I fear I definitely have to apply myself for the job as well.

 

[Don't panic]

there is a twist. and openly too.
very brazen.

will have to go through the thread again in light of this. (aaargh!)

twietee, your count of cards is off, we should have 6 left.
also, some of the cards are even more useless than i realized previously: for example, strong leader can only be played in mission phase, so if i or mscriv wanted to take the next mission off from sythas, it would only be possibl if we yay this mission first.
so basically i (or mscriv) would have to play it immediately as the mission is yayd, because if the votes come in, then, we can't play it anymore

is there possible any reason not to NAY this in the bud?

 

[mscriv]

NAY

 

[twietee]

twietee, your count of cards is off, we should have 6 left.

argh, you're right. totally forgot I eavesdropped on mscriv will edit my post

so we have three totally worthless cards opposed to two helpful (necessary!) and one semi helpful card.

 

[twietee]

also, some of the cards are even more useless than i realized previously: for example, strong leader can only be played in mission phase, so if i or mscriv wanted to take the next mission off from sythas, it would only be possibl if we yay this mission first.
so basically i (or mscriv) would have to play it immediately as the mission is yayd, because if the votes come in, then, we can't play it anymore

Yes. I think it really is a burden not to have any deadlines. It makes hiding so much easier and playing your plots really difficult. In the end everything will be either really dragged along (since at least some agents won't vote so other, probably offline, players with a plot have a chance to react/discuss) or gets too fast to an end.

 

[ravenvii]

Yeah, as the game is played out, I realized that following the IRL game's rules too closely doesn't really work that well. That's a good thing to know -- will definitely be addressed next time. It definitely seems more fun when certain cards can be played at any time, similar to the first game.

@mscriv originally I wanted all cards to be played at the conclusion of a vote. But I reverted that to the old way of allowing the cards to be played immediately anytime during the mission phase (i.e. no confidence). But under surveillance remains the same.

 

[Moyank24]

Left woodNUFC out intially to bring us to talk him into the team. Moyank is one as well - not only because of QoS's strange Fenris/Mo calssification but also because I think Mo never really picked up on that herself

I'm not really sure what you mean by this "classification"?

Also, though impossible to prove, the timing of my vote with QOS is coincidental. I really wouldn't be that blatant. Your vote for Yay was just as effective as my vote was, no matter the timing.

It may have been a bad result, but I stand by my decision to move forward. At least we got intel - better for him to come out now (if he was going to) than in the round where they need 2 votes to succeed. We were never going to get any more info had we just kept naying.

 

[ravenvii]

Just letting you guys know -- starting Monday, depending on how much we progress during the weekend, I'll start to set rigid deadlines. I am going out of town on Thursday night, and won't be back until the second week of August, so I'd like the game to be finished by then. I know a few players here also are going out of town around that time.

So I'll likely impose 12-hour deadlines per phase starting on Monday to ensure we finish the game.

 

[twietee]

I'm not really sure what you mean by this "classification"?

That Fenris became a memeber of her team and you're considered a spy (among DP and Kodauw) while the basis was exactly the same: both you and Fenris were (unlceared) members of DPs team. You may lump me into that lot as well, although she followed Fenris' argument that I should be considered somewhat clearer as others because I told the truth about mscriv. Her sole reasoning, while still early in the game, was that she's always too trusting in you. Even if we take that thought as some kind of subjective remark: I don't see any reason why she would lump you straigth into the spying corner - a bit much. Did you ever ask her why or even commented on that (except nay'ing her team)? I don't think so, and this seems a bit unlikely for you two if I may say so.

 

[twietee]

Also, though impossible to prove, the timing of my vote with QOS is coincidental. I really wouldn't be that blatant. Your vote for Yay was just as effective as my vote was, no matter the timing.

It may have been a bad result..

Well, in my perception the general consensus (or from what I understood what people that were posting back then, Fenris, DP and mscriv especially, me too of course) went into the other direction, meaning the team would have been eventually nay'd. I made my hefty reservations about woodNUFC pretty clear. DP was/is suspecting Sythas, Fenris nay'd it and I openly regretted my early yay, mscriv seemed torn. So yes, you two flying into the thread and locking this is probably a bit different than me voting (much) too early, but let's not argue about that as I totally acknowlegde that an early vote can be very manipulative as well.

"may have been a bad result" ? My English isn't nuanced enough for that, but isn't this relativizing something that is definite? Just curious as I certainly want to refine my understanding.

 

[Queen of Spades]

You're a douche, @WoodNUFC.

That Fenris became a memeber of her team and you're considered a spy (among DP and Kodauw) while the basis was exactly the same: both you and Fenris were (unlceared) members of DPs team. You may lump me into that lot as well, although she followed Fenris' argument that I should be considered somewhat clearer as others because I told the truth about mscriv. Her sole reasoning, while still early in the game, was that she's always too trusting in you. Even if we take that thought as some kind of subjective remark: I don't see any reason why she would lump you straigth into the spying corner - a bit much. Did you ever ask her why or even commented on that (except nay'ing her team)? I don't think so, and this seems a bit unlikely for you two if I may say so.

What other reasoning did we have to go on but suspicions and our gut? We were completely wrong about Wood, and that was *with* some measure of evidence suggesting he could be innocent. And yeah, I decided I'd rather be screwed over by someone other than Moyank, all things being equal. Which in my mind, they were.

I made my hefty reservations about woodNUFC pretty clear.

Okay, but you also made a big deal about me leaving him off my initial team, intimating it showed I was guilty. So I'm pretty sure the reasoning on Wood was similar for all of us.

FWIW, I think the plot card change has had a huge effect on this game in favor of the spies.

And no, @Don't panic, I can't think of a reason to let a Wood-led team go through. Let's not get too cute here.

NAY

 

[twietee]

Okay, but you also made a big deal about me leaving him off my initial team, intimating it showed I was guilty.

We're circling again. Yes it was strange not to at least consider him much stronger than you initially did, I wasn't the only one to notice that. Then the discussion picked up a different tune once he openly chose sides against DP / in your favor.

 

[Moyank24]

That Fenris became a memeber of her team and you're considered a spy (among DP and Kodauw) while the basis was exactly the same: both you and Fenris were (unlceared) members of DPs team. You may lump me into that lot as well, although she followed Fenris' argument that I should be considered somewhat clearer as others because I told the truth about mscriv. Her sole reasoning, while still early in the game, was that she's always too trusting in you. Even if we take that thought as some kind of subjective remark: I don't see any reason why she would lump you straigth into the spying corner - a bit much. Did you ever ask her why or even commented on that (except nay'ing her team)? I don't think so, and this seems a bit unlikely for you two if I may say so.

You're reading too much into this, you really are. We have a conversation like this it seems like in every one of these games, including the WW games. It's certainly not the first time she's said something like that and I'm sure it won't be the last. Are you telling me you've never noticed it? I get what she's saying, and it's based on stuff that has happened in previous games, so I'm certainly not going to argue with her. Seems like you're trying to make something bigger than it is.

Overanalyzing for the sake of overanalyzing isn't very productive.

Well, in my perception the general consensus (or from what I understood what people that were posting back then, Fenris, DP and mscriv especially, me too of course) went into the other direction, meaning the team would have been eventually nay'd. I made my hefty reservations about woodNUFC pretty clear. DP was/is suspecting Sythas, Fenris nay'd it and I openly regretted my early yay, mscriv seemed torn. So yes, you two flying into the thread and locking this is probably a bit different than me voting (much) too early, but let's not argue about that as I totally acknowlegde that an early vote can be very manipulative as well.

"may have been a bad result" ? My English isn't nuanced enough for that, but isn't this relativizing something that is definite? Just curious as I certainly want to refine my understanding.

Well, it's pretty easy to play Monday morning QB, but like i said, i honestly didn't think we were going to get any more intel had we nayed it. I still don't. I own it. Instead of pointing fingers, you should too. You can "regret" your early Yay as much as you want, but like i said, your vote counted just as much as mine.

And again, there was no flying into the thread. The timing was coincidental, probably because we were all tagged (including DP). Also after you pointed out there was a deadline. I would never be that blatant.

Also, NAY

 

[twietee]

Well, it's pretty easy to play Monday morning QB, but like i said, i honestly didn't think we were going to get any more intel had we nayed it. I still don't. I own it. Instead of pointing fingers, you should too. You can "regret" your early Yay as much as you want, but like i said, your vote counted just as much as mine.

What's a Monday morning QB? nvm. googled it - and don't agree.

Pointing fingers - aren't these games based on that?

 

[ravenvii]

@WoodNUFC's team was voted down.

@Sythas, choose your team!

 

[Sythas]

Ok for my team it's gonna be

@mscriv
@twietee

now the rest is gonna be hard and I don't have my notes

@FenrisMoonlight
@Don't panic
@TechGod