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[A] The Agency - GAME OVER -- SPIES WIN
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Hmm...
Fenris is a potential good choice seeing as how he put together the first team for an agent win. However, if he's a baddie and someone on the team bluffed then he wouldn't be a good choice to lead again. That being said, if the current mission fails then his leadership will be in question so giving him the Take Responsibility card wouldn't be the best move for the spies unless the goal is just to waste the card.
No Confidence to DP is a gamble seeing as how we don't know much about him at this point. But, we'll soon find out with the outcome of the mission.
Open Up to Wood is what it is as I'm not sure how much this card is actually worth at this point in the game. With no one cleared we don't know if we can trust the results of the PM. I'm an agent so if you want to reveal to me then I can assure you all that I'll report the truth. I know you just have "my word" to go on and everyone else in the game could say the same thing about themselves at this point.
@ravenvii, can you clarify the "immediate use" of the Open Up card. Does it happen now, before we learn the results of the mission or will the results be posted before the card is used?
I am in between theater and dinner (love being without the kids a few weeks a year - i know it sounds bad and i adore my kids, but i adore mrs dontpanic too 
) so i am just skimming the thread
But was this open up or establish confidence? Did wood say he wanted to open up to Tech who gave him the card? If so it is not too confidence establishing for me... Maybe i am just confused
I will have to read with more attention, but it might be just in the morning
) so i am just skimming the threadBut was this open up or establish confidence? Did wood say he wanted to open up to Tech who gave him the card? If so it is not too confidence establishing for me... Maybe i am just confused
I will have to read with more attention, but it might be just in the morning
I'm very confused right now. The card given was "Open Up" which according to the rules does the following...
However, you guys are playing it like it's Establish Confidence which according the rules does the following...
Unless I'm just totally crazy then wasn't WoodNUFC to be the one who revealed his own role? TechGod gave the card to WoodNUFC, so WoodNUFC is the one who does the revealing... right? It seems to me as if we've made a game error and played the card as if it was Establish Confidence, but in truth it was supposed to be Open Up. That's why I asked for clarification about when it would happen. I wasn't sure if we would have to wait for WoodNUFC to pick someone and then for the various PM's to be sent prior to us finding out the results of the mission. At this point I'm not sure exactly what is going on?
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TechGod! I'll leave you in charge for 1 simple mission and come back to find the place is a mess!
@mscriv I'm reading the rules for Open Up the same way you are (going from the original post and the rules image ravenvii posted) that it should have been Wood that revealed his role to a player of his choice. However it appears the effect was the same as if Establish Confidence was played that it revealed the team leader's role to the player given the card. Guess we need to wait for an official ruling from @ravenvii as to what happened.
@mscriv I'm reading the rules for Open Up the same way you are (going from the original post and the rules image ravenvii posted) that it should have been Wood that revealed his role to a player of his choice. However it appears the effect was the same as if Establish Confidence was played that it revealed the team leader's role to the player given the card. Guess we need to wait for an official ruling from @ravenvii as to what happened.
I think he done goofed. I honestly read that role in the same way as the others. Wood should have told any of us his role and while I have nothing to hide as I'm an agent, the card still was used in a weird manner.TechGod! I'll leave you in charge for 1 simple mission and come back to find the place is a mess!
@mscriv I'm reading the rules for Open Up the same way you are (going from the original post and the rules image ravenvii posted) that it should have been Wood that revealed his role to a player of his choice. However it appears the effect was the same as if Establish Confidence was played that it revealed the team leader's role to the player given the card. Guess we need to wait for an official ruling from @ravenvii as to what happened.
Those things happen in real games too and it's funny. Ok, now the team has to vote for the mission unless DP use his card ? Wich I'm not in favor right now and we won't get any cards anyway.
ok i am glad i wasn't crazy about the mixup use of Open Up and Established Confidence!
i was concerned that Wood had selected techgod to Open Up to, as it would have created a self-referential circle, so i am
i think it makes little difference in practice. in either case we started a chain of trust so we have wood>techgod
so what we know now is that either techgod is an agent or both techgod and wood are spies. if you add they both voted success the last mission, it makes tech god (and to a less extent wood) semi-cleared.
it doesn't brush away all my suspicion of twietee, but at least now i am sure he is not in cahoot with techgod, which also validate part of his posts.
i am a bit more confident that this mission can be a win now so i would be inclined not to use the No Confidence now and move on with the vote, unless others have differing opinions? if i do we won't get any more cards, but we would get a different team and a bit more infos
i'll hold my vote for a bit, to hear other people opinions on the NC card, but i am more optimistic now with techgod in better standing, so I am ready to bring this baby home
@twietee, i agree that the lack of clearing cards is a major advantage to the spies. that is why i was arguing before the game that it had swung too much to the spies side. we'll see how it plays out, but it certainly requires much more gambling on the agents' side. especially since i keep failing to see what impact the replacement Opinion Maker card has on the game
btw, i went to see Jim Parsons' "Act of God" last night.
it's absolutely hilarious, and he is a really really good actor.
A lot better than i expected, actually
both me and the missus were openly laughing a lot, and the theater was roaring.
well most of it. the guy next to me barely cracked a smile the entire show. which actually amused me even more
i was concerned that Wood had selected techgod to Open Up to, as it would have created a self-referential circle, so i am
i think it makes little difference in practice. in either case we started a chain of trust so we have wood>techgod
so what we know now is that either techgod is an agent or both techgod and wood are spies. if you add they both voted success the last mission, it makes tech god (and to a less extent wood) semi-cleared.
it doesn't brush away all my suspicion of twietee, but at least now i am sure he is not in cahoot with techgod, which also validate part of his posts.
i am a bit more confident that this mission can be a win now so i would be inclined not to use the No Confidence now and move on with the vote, unless others have differing opinions? if i do we won't get any more cards, but we would get a different team and a bit more infos
i'll hold my vote for a bit, to hear other people opinions on the NC card, but i am more optimistic now with techgod in better standing, so I am ready to bring this baby home
@twietee, i agree that the lack of clearing cards is a major advantage to the spies. that is why i was arguing before the game that it had swung too much to the spies side. we'll see how it plays out, but it certainly requires much more gambling on the agents' side. especially since i keep failing to see what impact the replacement Opinion Maker card has on the game
btw, i went to see Jim Parsons' "Act of God" last night.
it's absolutely hilarious, and he is a really really good actor.
A lot better than i expected, actually
both me and the missus were openly laughing a lot, and the theater was roaring.
well most of it. the guy next to me barely cracked a smile the entire show. which actually amused me even more
i'll hold my vote for a bit, to hear other people opinions on the NC card, but i am more optimistic now with techgod in better standing, so I am ready to bring this baby home
What's your take on the yay and nay votes then? I was the only one to adress that at all (except a meager one liner).
I think it's quite odd that mscriv and you suspect me openly more than anybody else.
i can't speak for mscriv, although i think he made several valid points.
i voted nay on mission 1 for various reasons, which i already addressed:
first, i was inclined to NAy mission 1 no matter what, as the people picked by the various team leaders are (with the plot distribution) the biggest source of information. this is especially true with 3-people missions. the importance of this info might not be obvious right away, but i am sure that when we are half though with the game, when we do have some good intell from the cards, we will regret not to have had 2-3 'first mission' data.
second, i thought that picking the next 3 was not a good idea, since you can't use all of them in any of the next 3 missions if cleared. in hindsight this might be a weaker argument than i tought because of the lack of clearing cards and the thus higher possibility of bluffing
third, i was not in it and that is also a contributing factor. not a major one, as i am not voting yay/nay just based on that (as my naying this mission shows), but still it improves the odd if you are in it.
as far as suspecting you, well, sorry but i do. there were posts that could be read as a sort of communication code, the strange "restart" posts from yesterday (as if you thought you had somehow compromised your status, or as if to 'zero' the preceding hidden text) and a couple of other things.
i voted nay on mission 1 for various reasons, which i already addressed:
first, i was inclined to NAy mission 1 no matter what, as the people picked by the various team leaders are (with the plot distribution) the biggest source of information. this is especially true with 3-people missions. the importance of this info might not be obvious right away, but i am sure that when we are half though with the game, when we do have some good intell from the cards, we will regret not to have had 2-3 'first mission' data.
second, i thought that picking the next 3 was not a good idea, since you can't use all of them in any of the next 3 missions if cleared. in hindsight this might be a weaker argument than i tought because of the lack of clearing cards and the thus higher possibility of bluffing
third, i was not in it and that is also a contributing factor. not a major one, as i am not voting yay/nay just based on that (as my naying this mission shows), but still it improves the odd if you are in it.
as far as suspecting you, well, sorry but i do. there were posts that could be read as a sort of communication code, the strange "restart" posts from yesterday (as if you thought you had somehow compromised your status, or as if to 'zero' the preceding hidden text) and a couple of other things.
No, I meant that 6 players voted yay with only one of them being on the team actually. You seem quite nonchalant about that. All the others too btw.
As for my 'restart' thing: since ravenvii didn't repsond to any of my PMs and it actually DOES influence the game and it didn't do me any good to keep my mouth shut about that: I received a PM by WoodNUFC saying: 'Woops.' with three other players + ravenvii invited into that conversation. That's when I thought the spies involuntarily involved me. Since neither in the thread nor via PM anybody involved responded I checked it again and noticed that it were the first five players on the list (Fenris, WoodNUFC, TechGod and Sythas) so quite likely ravenivii send the 'you're an agent if you didn't receive any other info' to a conversation of five, which I actually didn't notice at the beginning. Did you DP,Mo, QoS, mscriv reveive one PM including the other four players on the list?
Anyway, not really diggin the game so far anyhow.
As for my 'restart' thing: since ravenvii didn't repsond to any of my PMs and it actually DOES influence the game and it didn't do me any good to keep my mouth shut about that: I received a PM by WoodNUFC saying: 'Woops.' with three other players + ravenvii invited into that conversation. That's when I thought the spies involuntarily involved me. Since neither in the thread nor via PM anybody involved responded I checked it again and noticed that it were the first five players on the list (Fenris, WoodNUFC, TechGod and Sythas) so quite likely ravenivii send the 'you're an agent if you didn't receive any other info' to a conversation of five, which I actually didn't notice at the beginning. Did you DP,Mo, QoS, mscriv reveive one PM including the other four players on the list?
Anyway, not really diggin the game so far anyhow.
just checked.
yes, the game text was sent to me and the other 4 not in your message.
i agree on something fishy might be going on, it's why i had nayd the mission
yes, the game text was sent to me and the other 4 not in your message.
i agree on something fishy might be going on, it's why i had nayd the mission
I pointed out that the only 2 people to vote 'Nay' were people on the team (you and DP) which I find odd - not sure what to read into it at this stage though.
Since you've made the details public now, its not true no one responded to you. I responded to you in the PM asking if that was why you were saying restart in the thread and pointing out that it was just the first 5 people in the list. Since you can only add 5 people to a conversation, I'm assuming ravenvii also sent an identical PM to the last 5. Also Wood responded as to what happened which made sense
Edit - ninjaed by DP - so there were 2 PMs one to the top 5 in the list, 1 to the bottom 5 - and Wood accidentally responded to it instead of sending a PM to ravenvii.
To explain what Twietee is talking about:
When I went to vote in the first mission, I sent my "success" vote to the conversation Ravenvii started to tell us the game had started--thinking it would allow me to send it just to the original sender, Raven. I didn't realize the new conversations function defaults to "reply all". I immediately realized that it sent it to everyone, not just Raven. I quickly edited my post to remove my vote from the conversation and started a new chain to vote. The edit function, however, requires text to be left. I then just wrote "Whoops" and left it. I was too embarrassed to elaborate, and I didn't want to make a big deal out of it. It was a simple mistake.
Looking further the math would indicate that Raven split the pregame PMs into two 5 member conversations. As there are 4 spies, and 6 agents, I'd say that each group has an even split of agents and spies. It really wasn't a big deal, and I feel pretty bad about making a boneheaded mistake. Sorry!
When I went to vote in the first mission, I sent my "success" vote to the conversation Ravenvii started to tell us the game had started--thinking it would allow me to send it just to the original sender, Raven. I didn't realize the new conversations function defaults to "reply all". I immediately realized that it sent it to everyone, not just Raven. I quickly edited my post to remove my vote from the conversation and started a new chain to vote. The edit function, however, requires text to be left. I then just wrote "Whoops" and left it. I was too embarrassed to elaborate, and I didn't want to make a big deal out of it. It was a simple mistake.
Looking further the math would indicate that Raven split the pregame PMs into two 5 member conversations. As there are 4 spies, and 6 agents, I'd say that each group has an even split of agents and spies. It really wasn't a big deal, and I feel pretty bad about making a boneheaded mistake. Sorry!
Look at the list of players in the OP and then look at who are listed in the 'game has begun' PM. You hopefully will understand.
ok, glad this has been cleared.
except i don't think you can assume anything about the distribution of the spies. they are independent sortings and either PM group can contain anywhere from 0 to 4 spies.
except i don't think you can assume anything about the distribution of the spies. they are independent sortings and either PM group can contain anywhere from 0 to 4 spies.