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[A] The Agency - GAME OVER -- SPIES WIN

Eh, guys I did get that (still nobody confirmed it - I did ask ravenvii exactly that yesterday and if all 10 players received the very same PM) but I wasn't scanning the PM after I saw that woodNUFC send 'woops'. to multiple players + me. I'm not blaming you, WoodNUFC, things like that happen but it did influence the game as DP just confirmed and to act as if nothing happened is just weird.
 
If we want to continue forward with this mission, and to show that I have nothing to hide (in light of the PM slip) I propose the following:

We vote as usual. Fenris uses his Take Responsibility card to steal my Close Eyes card. He can then ask Raven for my vote and make it public.

If we want to scupper the entire endeavor, I understand.
 
(though if he just kept his mouth shut it'd have been nothing)

I came home from my gf's birthday dinner, saw an alert, clicked on it and noticed that woody send a woops to "me" and that a post of yours was on top + a bunch of others being invited as well. That's when I went into the thread and asked for a restart or substitute. Yea, blame me as I could have PMd you first but I was sure that at least WoodNUFC would have been a confirmed baddie for me so yea, like I suggested I could have just asked Pluto or ss or whoever would have been kind enough to jump in for me as we were still at the beginning of the game.

If DP would have ignored that it would have been nothing as well I guess.
 
Hmm... lots of drama regarding a few innocent PM errors. I can only speak for myself, but I had no clue what you all were talking about and it wasn't affecting my game play until this recent continuation of the conversation and publishing of details.

I think we can all agree that probably the safest way to proceed in future games is to send only individual PMs to players unless you are sending to a specific group, like the team of spies or the team of WW's. It would appear that we are all so competitive that we overanalyze even basic game functions that occur behind the scenes. :p

Twietee being a confirmed agent due to outside circumstances does change the dynamic of the game and I can understand the spies being upset with this turn of events. However, that being said, we could continue with the game simply for the purpose of seeing how the rule changes play out. Although, admittedly, there is now a new variable in play and that itself affects the balance of the game. I'm okay with whatever we decide, but no matter who wins this game deserves an asterisk (*) by it in the record books.
 
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Agreed mscriv. I was deliberately mentioning as few details in the thread as I could to avoid it affecting the game as much as possible which is why I only replied to Twietee in the PM originally. I'd also kept back what I knew of Wood's original PM (that he quickly edited) since Twietee didn't seem to know the original contents of it but I did. I think it would have been better not brought out to the thread as 1/2 the players would have been pretty much totally unaware of what happened. Now it's all been brought out there are a couple issues.

1) 4 people could have known Wood's vote on mission 1 early. Although it seems only I actually saw the original contents of the PM (Twietee certainly didn't seem to know what was in it and no one else in that conversation said they'd seen it). I don't think this affects the game at this point since mission 1 succeeded so everyone knows how all 3 people voted. Had mission 1 failed it could have done and Twietee's restart? would have been justified although for the opposite reason than he originally thought. As it was it could probably have just been dropped at that point without revealing anything else.

2) Since it wasn't dropped, Twietee's further comments in the PM and the thread, and then ravenvii's reply has confirmed him as an agent which is obviously an advantage to the agents, and he is the next team leader.

Not sure what we do about that at this point. It's obviously an advantage. Effectively we've been given a 'free' investigate card played on Twietee. Infiltrators should probably PM ravenvii with their thoughts on continuing or not. Unfortunately we're not using that card this time or we could remove it from the deck and reduce the number of mission cards by 1 next mission to rebalance things.
 
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mscriv said:
I can understand the spies being upset with this turn of events.
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Spies could secretly vote over continuation or not.

Although I think openly clearing me wasn't necessarry, I don't think THAT much changes now (of course it does), I was on the team that succeeded the first match and if this would too it's likely I had been on the next mission as well. If this mission fails I would still be quite possibly in the next one since I heavily campaigned against it.
 
ok, i since i wasn't part of the loop, like mscriv the only thing i saw was some bizarre posts by twietee.
they fit into my construct of twietee being a spy and thus i went with that.
the explanations by twietee, confirmed by wood and fenris cleared that point, but they had not completely cleared twietee of being a spy.
they didn't 'confirm' him as an agent in any way (although obviously it did have an influence on thought).

the only thing that ultimately confirmed him as an agent was Ravenvii's post that says he is an agent.
prior to that he was still a candidate to be a spy if the mission had failed.
so far the most damaging post is post #202, which is basically an Expose (old rules) of twietee by Ravenvii.
this will obviously affect the game significantly and i admit it helps a lot, but i think we should carry on, with some minor tweaking.

for example, we could eliminate one of the best cards (eavesdrop or close eye) from the deck, and only give out two cards in the next mission. that should rebalance things a little
 
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twietee said:
(though if he just kept his mouth shut it'd have been nothing)

I came home from my gf's birthday dinner, saw an alert, clicked on it and noticed that woody send a woops to "me" and that a post of yours was on top + a bunch of others being invited as well. That's when I went into the thread and asked for a restart or substitute. Yea, blame me as I could have PMd you first but I was sure that at least WoodNUFC would have been a confirmed baddie for me so yea, like I suggested I could have just asked Pluto or ss or whoever would have been kind enough to jump in for me as we were still at the beginning of the game.

If DP would have ignored that it would have been nothing as well I guess.
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well, part of the game is to read between the lines so i don't see why i would be to blame for this.
 
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Queen of Spades said:
I'm all for continuing despite this turn of events. :D
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You're such a cool spy! :D

Along with what the universal scapegoat DP suggested (dropping one plot) we could additionally exclude me from receiving any other plots, at least from those that would work against the 'hearsay' concept of this very game. So no eavesdrop or spying plot for me for example.
 
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ok, i since i wasn't part of the loop, like mscriv the only thing i saw was some bizarre posts by twietee.
they fit into my construct of twietee being a spy and thus i went with that.
the explanations by twietee, confirmed by wood and fenris cleared that point, but they had not completely cleared twietee of being a spy.
they didn't 'confirm' him as an agent in any way (although obviously it did have an influence on thought).

the only thing that ultimately confirmed him as an agent was Ravenvii's post that says he is an agent.
prior to that he was still a candidate to be a spy if the mission had failed.
so far the most damaging post is post #202, which is basically an Expose (old rules) of twietee by Ravenvii.
this will obviously affect the game significantly and i admit it helps a lot, but i think we should carry on, with some minor tweaking.

for example, we could eliminate one of the best cards (eavesdrop or close eye) from the deck, and only give out two cards in the next mission. that should rebalance things a little
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Yeah, I agree until post #202 there was still the possibility he was a spy throwing around misdirection. Although those of us in the private conversation had a little more info - in his private message he was basically implying the other 4 of us were the spies - still unsure why Wood's 'Whoops' made him jump to that conclusion since the spies aren't allowed to PM anyway. Having seen the original message, Wood's explanation of it being a mistake made sense to me.

Reducing the cards by 1 next mission does sound a reasonable compromise to try to rebalance - assume the '3rd card' was Establish Confidence...
Moyank24 said:
I think we should just blame everything on DP. It's more efficient!
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Makes sense to me... I'm sure he's to blame for everything anyway!
 
twietee said:
You're such a cool spy! :D

Along with what the universal scapegoat DP suggested (dropping one plot) we could additionally exclude me from receiving any other plots, at least from those that would work against the 'hearsay' concept of this very game. So no eavesdrop or spying plot for me for example.
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Don't think that's necessary - you'll be excluded from the next set of cards anyway unless we turn down your team recommendation. :D
 
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I appreciate DP's acceptance of the scapegoat role, even though it was entirely my fault!

Shall we move along with voting for the success of this mission, team?
 
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