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Previously, I'd discussed here, here and here I have a first generation late 2007 A1181 BlackBook with a seemingly black screen - today, I had a chance to disassemble the BlackBook and confirm whether the LCD or the inverter needed to be replaced.

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I replaced the inverter...

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...powered up the BlackBook and...

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No change! :D

There can be no doubt that the LCD's lamp has failed. I've checked eBay and brand new replacement LCDs can be found for £21 GBP. Considering that the BlackBooks are far less common than their standard counterpart, do you think it's worth going ahead and purchasing a new screen? I didn't pay anything for the laptop and £21 GBP is hardly a money pit.

What do you think: yay or nay?
 
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I would also say yes. While at first it may seem like a daunting task, it's actually not that bad, at least, compared to other laptops/MacBooks of the same era. It also affords you the opportunity to clean out your A1181 and replace the thermal paste, if you haven't already.

Also, BlackBooks are special enough that it's worth the extra expense to get them working at their best.
 
Previously, I'd discussed here, here and here I have a first generation A1181 BlackBook with a seemingly black screen - today, I had a chance to disassemble the BlackBook and confirm whether the LCD or the inverter needed to be replaced.

syP5qS9.jpg


I replaced the inverter...

Ti8AxSg.jpg


...powered up the BlackBook and...

8o5dQGk.jpg


No change! :D

There can be no doubt that the LCD's lamp has failed. I've checked eBay and brand new replacement LCDs can be found for £21 GBP. Considering that the BlackBooks are far less common than their standard counterpart, do you think it's worth going ahead and purchasing a new screen? I didn't pay anything for the laptop and £21 GBP is hardly a money pit.

What do you think: yay or nay?

I acquired a couple of A1181s in 2019, with one exhibiting this problem (no backlight).

What I learnt was there was a tiny short in the LCD backlight cable near the hinge area whose insulation had been pinched away, leaving exposed wire to short out. Apparently this is not uncommon with the A1181s, as it gets mention in iFixit guides (like here on Step 44).

In my case, this is what happened — either through extensive use or a previous disassembly. I found the exposed wire, covered it with kapton tape, took especial care to make sure it wouldn’t get pinched again by the hinge area, and my backlight was restored. :)

[EDIT: After reading through some of the discussion on the Embracing Early Intel thread, I’m guessing you‘re well beyond that troubleshooting a pinched insulation issue, my bad!]
 
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Also, BlackBooks are special enough that it's worth the extra expense to get them working at their best.

Very well, this shall be my Mac labour of love. :)

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As part of the process of elimination and fault finding, I set up my semi dead 2006 MacBook with the LCD from the BlackBook and a fully working inverter. The LCD displayed an illuminated screen for a few seconds and then went dark. This occurred every time the laptop was powered up with the BlackBook's LCD. Does this confirm that it's absolutely shot?

To reverse the test, I connected the semi dead MacBook's worn out, but still functional LCD to the BlackBook (with a working inverter) and this was the result:

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Both LCDs from the tester WhiteBook and the BlackBook belong to exactly the same Samsung model so we can rule out compatibility issues.

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Would I be correct in speculating that there's also an issue with the BlackBook's LCD cable or the logic board because the tester LCD and the inverter definitely work but power is not being sent to the CCFL lamp? I'm thinking that it might be easier to simply transplant the logic board from my semi dead WhiteBook which is from the same generation (and whose decrepit casing is almost destroyed anyway) into the BlackBook's casing than go through trying to pinpoint the cause.

I struck through the above paragraph after realising that the BlackBook is actually very likely a late 2007 issue and not a first generation machine which means transferring the parts over from the 2006 WhiteBook would've been unsuccessful. Speaking of transplant proposals...

Which calls for a 5,2 logic board transplant IMHO :)

You lot are terrible, putting ideas into my head for yet more work on further projects. How can I say no? :p

A transplant using one of these? :)

There's a good guide here on how to accomplish this and @Project Alice successfully used it to carry out a transplant.

According to the instructions, the BlackBook needs to be at least a late 2007 "Santa Rosa" model to ensure that the 5,2 logic board will fit correctly into the casing. Judging by the dates of the manufacturing information plastered on the SuperDrive and the internal lid, it appears to be exactly that but here's a photo of the logic board so that others can confirm this before I consider purchasing the board and proceeding with this adventure.

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I acquired a couple of A1181s in 2019, with one exhibiting this problem (no backlight).

What I learnt was there was a tiny short in the LCD backlight cable near the hinge area whose insulation had been pinched away, leaving exposed wire to short out. Apparently this is not uncommon with the A1181s, as it gets mention in iFixit guides (like here on Step 44).

In my case, this is what happened — either through extensive use or a previous disassembly. I found the exposed wire, covered it with kapton tape, took especial care to make sure it wouldn’t get pinched again by the hinge area, and my backlight was restored. :)

[EDIT: After reading through some of the discussion on the Embracing Early Intel thread, I’m guessing you‘re well beyond that troubleshooting a pinched insulation issue, my bad!]

Some of those posts relate to this WhiteBook - which almost certainly has a pinched cable but I have yet to disassemble it and check:

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When I've finished tackling the BlackBook, I'll move onto this one. :)
 
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I found an even cheaper mid 2009 5,2 logic board on eBay and promptly purchased it. :)

Next, I'll need to track down the following...

- Heatsink from an Early 2009 or Mid 2009 MacBook.
- Optical drive cable from an Early 2009 or Mid 2009 MacBook.
- SATA SuperDrive from an Early 2009 or Mid 2009 MacBook.
 
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I found an even cheaper mid 2009 5,2 logic board on eBay and promptly purchased it. :)

Next, I'll need to track down the following...
When I did mine I had two fully functioning machines to work with. Having the 5,2 as a complete computer comes with everything you need. But if you can find all the parts for a decent price that isn't a bad choice. My 5,2 donor was in pretty bad shape which made for a cheap sale.

Getting the heatsink is the most important thing here.

Any SATA slot loader that is slim enough should do the trick. Note that the 4,1 and below MacBooks used PATA much like our PowerBooks, I'm assuming you knew that from your parts list though. I will note that the optical drive gave me all sorts of grief in the blackbook..both before and after the transplant. Essentially what was happening was the disc couldn't ever eject and putting them in baically ruined them. If I remember right I ended up using the "slot" from the white 5,2 case. I also ordered a new one somewhere but I think I ended up using the one from the white case. I probably still have it laying around including a part number if for some reason you need it. Hopefully your black case is in better shape than mine is and you won't have to worry about this.

You're using the same guide I did so you should be just fine:)
 
The replacement LCD arrived today and I hooked it up to my tester A1181 and a working inverter and this was the result...

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The FireWire logo can be seen faintly on the screen but the display is not illuminated, suggesting that no power is being sent by the inverter. When the MacBook is powered up, the screen has light for a second and then goes dark. I tried the brightness keys, reset the PRAM and SMC but this made no difference.

That same MacBook and inverter(s) work with this LCD (which is the same model!):

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What's going on here? I'm stumped.
 
The replacement LCD arrived today and I hooked it up to my tester A1181 and a working inverter and this was the result...

lhp4r7K.jpg


The FireWire logo can be seen faintly on the screen but the display is not illuminated, suggesting that no power is being sent by the inverter. When the MacBook is powered up, the screen has light for a second and then goes dark. I tried the brightness keys, reset the PRAM and SMC but this made no difference.

That same MacBook and inverter(s) work with this LCD (which is the same model!):

nY4s9Ny.jpg


What's going on here? I'm stumped.
I still maintain there’s a pinched wire with the backlight cable — or else there is no contact being made on the board side of the cable (or, less likely, on the inverter side of the cable).

Unless I missed it, this backlight cable remains as the only component you haven’t replaced yet, shy of a completely different logic board, correct?

The bright side to this is if you do replace the cable and it turns out to be this, you’ll have a lot of working spares handy for your Black ’book and your White ’book. :)
 
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I still maintain there’s a pinched wire with the backlight cable — or else there is no contact being made on the board side of the cable (or, less likely, on the inverter side of the cable).

Unless I missed it, this backlight cable remains as the only component you haven’t replaced yet, shy of a completely different logic board, correct?

The bright side to this is if you do replace the cable and it turns out to be this, you’ll have a lot of working spares handy for your Black ’book and your White ’book. :)

This is a completely separate machine from the other A1181s that I'm attempting to troubleshoot. At present I have the following...

*WhiteBook 1,1 with a very likely pinched wire.

*Late 2007 BlackBook.

*Early 2009 WhiteBook 5,2.

*Semi dead WhiteBook 1,1.

I tested the new LCD with the semi dead WhiteBook. As a computer, it still works but I retired it from regular usage because the plastics had cracked and collapsed to the point that the laptop was no longer viable as a mobile computer unless I replaced the entire casing and instead I replaced it with the 5,2. I've been using this MacBook as a tester because it's already partially disassembled which means I can easily test inverters and LCDs.

The brand new LCD that arrived today has a backlight issue with this MacBook but the original LCD is working fine - using exactly the same inverters and cable - this is why I'm stumped as to what's happening. The new LCD has a backlight issue when connected to inverters and a cable that are known to be working with the original LCD.
 
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