Moore’s law by it’s strictest definition of double died many years ago, near 20% gain is impressive, I was expecting a 10% gain. Plus, at this point, power draw is the more important benchmark anyways in an iPhone, which the A16 decreases. So I’m impressed with the improvements this year.
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A16 in iPhone 14 Pro is 17% Faster Than A15 in iPhone 13 Pro in New Benchmark
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No idea how you can interpret that in terms of improvements in the performance of the efficiency cores when: 1) single core performance in geekbench is exclusively from a performance core, 2) stated reduction in power usage is for performance cores.
No idea also where you getting your 7% figure. When comparing best geekbench results it gives around 8-9% for single core performance.
Also, increased clock speed comes from how Apple can manage power draw under the new cores. With clock speed increasing 7%, performance increasing 9% while still drawing less power, it seems clear that the cores cannot be the same, since the new node should only give 6% performance improvement while consuming the same (in other words 6% increase in clock speed would consume the same). The difference in efficiency is just too big.
Yeah, forget that part in my post. Momentary stroke.
Geekbench 5 for A15 is 1750 single-core, at least on a good day.
The original single-core score for A16 was 1879.
1879/1750 = 1.074 = 7.4%
However, I do acknowledge that the new Geekbench 5 single core score that came out for A16 is slightly higher.
1887/1750 = 1.078 = 7.8%
It should be noted that the clock speed increase for A16 over A15 is 3.46/3.23 = 7.1%.
That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking since the announcement. Increased clock speed and 4nm may be the only reason that there’s increased performance. Looking forward to the tear downs and verdict when it comes out. Looking forward to the real world impact of improved thermal design as well.
A15 was also more clocked compared to A14 and got minor performance boosts. There nothing new here.
I mean when you can overclock it more for same power draw, it's a win.
I mean when you can overclock it more for same power draw, it's a win.
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heh the 14 looks nice but I decided to upgrade from the 12 pro max to the 13 pro max instead,
saved $450 and its a nice upgrade
I'm liking more the Sierra Blue of 13 Pro vs Deep Purple of 14 Pro.
But.... I pre-ordered the Deep Purple obviously, because I find the other colors boring.
Normally I come home and they are uploaded to the cloud and I use photos app on my Mac to retrieve them. So I rely on wifi.
I won't upgrade my 12 Pro Max until 2024, for the 16 Pro Max. I'm on a 4 year cycle. My 12 Pro Max is lightning fast. In fact it's actually 40% faster multi-core than the 2017 27" Core i5-7600 iMac I'm currently typing on, and I have no desire to upgrade that either as it is fast enough for my needs.
For a phone, I'd be happy with anything A12 or faster for several years, and our 12 Pros have A14, along with the same 6 GB RAM as in the 14 series.
I generally lose about 10% per year, give or take.
On my 2 year-old 12 Pro Max, I'm currently at 89%.
Thinking about upgrading an XS max. I calculated I think it will be at least 100% faster which is actually a decent upgrade. But I have a M1 iPad Pro and MacBook Pro 16 m1 which I use most of the time. The XS works fine for when I’m out and about, so it seems like a needless upgrade and I’m really trying to save money these days and not be so wasteful. Even a four generations old iPhone is amazingly good. Everything about it is fantastic. Maybe the camera could be better.
If you are happy with your XS - speed and general condition or utility (photos) I'd say keep it. I've upgraded to 14 Pro, because from a long time I was Android (Samsung) user... so I wanted to switch. I knew 14 is going to be the bigger upgrade (not 13) so I waited kinda 1 year...
I personaly don't believe next year the 15 Pro will be such a big gap in terms of design/display and overall experence... we got this year new "notch" and bumped up cameras for first time in years, so I bet they will stick to same thing next model. The difference will be in the A17, because 3nm and probably first iPhone with USB-C... otherwise I can't see what they will change.
I personaly don't believe next year the 15 Pro will be such a big gap in terms of design/display and overall experence... we got this year new "notch" and bumped up cameras for first time in years, so I bet they will stick to same thing next model. The difference will be in the A17, because 3nm and probably first iPhone with USB-C... otherwise I can't see what they will change.
While true to an extent, I find that such fluctuations don't really occur until the battery is older. ie. When the battery has been gradually decreasing to 89%, in my experience the fluctuations from 89% aren't that big. However, as the battery ages even longer, the fluctuations in the battery health level increase.
That is 8% difference at the extreme end of the A15 distribution curve compared with 1 result for A16 where you have no idea where it statistically falls. And different subtests in single core Geekbench actually go further than 8% performance improvement.Yeah, forget that part in my post. Momentary stroke.
Geekbench 5 for A15 is 1750 single-core, at least on a good day.
The original single-core score for A16 was 1879.
1879/1750 = 1.074 = 7.4%
However, I do acknowledge that the new Geekbench 5 single core score that came out for A16 is slightly higher.
1887/1750 = 1.078 = 7.8%
It should be noted that the clock speed increase for A16 over A15 is 3.46/3.23 = 7.1%.
The fact is that increasing clock speed while still achieve lower power draw can only be explained by being a different core.
Or new process and improved yields.
And even if it is different, it's most likely not hugely different, more like a tweak, whereas the bigger differences are other parts like the image processor.
seems you didn’t read anything of what I said! New process only increases performance by around 6% while using the same power. Improved yields as little to do with performance in a homogeneous chip supply like Apple silicon A series... Apple is not creating CPU variants in these SoCs through binning, and you wouldn’t see a 20% improvement in power usage through that.
"bigger differences are other parts like the image processor." Again, it has nothing to do with reported single core performance and efficiency.
Yeah, these are monster phones. I still use an XS for my secondary phone and it flawless (and I replaced the battery this year, so battery life is also excellent). I bet when you get to year 4 you will be upgrading mainly for the better cameras (low light photos is always something that benefits from being improved) and not actually for all that much that is tied to performance of the CPU.
Correct.
My wife is upgrading her XR after 4 years, but the SoC performance is just fine. Even the 3 GB RAM is OK. The main thing is she wants a bigger screen and better camera. (The XR comes with a single-lens camera, and isn't the greatest in low light.)
My parents are also with XR and they are happy. It's really solid performing phone. Even the camera is not bad.