'A19' and 'M5' Chips Discovered on Apple Backend Server

[TokyoKiller]

This means the A18 is already finished and could have been added to the Iphone 15 pro series if apple wanted to

It means nothing. Apple has always stated they are 2 or so years ahead in R&D. Nothing new and this just corresponds to that.

 

[t0rqx]

Finally news on chips three generations later, even outclasses the website rumours.😂

 

[supremedesigner]

M3 or bust!

 

[klasma]

What happens to the manufacturing process when M5 comes around? will it be lower than 3nm at that time. How small can they go and what happens when they reach 1-2nm..where do they go next? just curious

The “3 nm” denomination has little to do with actual physical structure sizes. It’s a marketing term. It’s still a good question how the marketing terms will evolve.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_nm_process: “a 3 nm node is expected to have a contacted gate pitch of 48 nanometers and a tightest metal pitch of 24 nanometers.”

 

[steve09090]

What happens to the manufacturing process when M5 comes around? will it be lower than 3nm at that time. How small can they go and what happens when they reach 1-2nm..where do they go next? just curious

12 Qubit (Quantum) CPU?

 

[klasma]

so you think they're working on the A19 before the A18?

Maybe they decided to skip non-prime numbers. 😉

 

[MacBird]

Are we sure that they didn't hack into a BMW server by mistake?

No, BMW will design the M5 around an A19 iPhone. 🙂

 

[skiguy45]

What happens to the manufacturing process when M5 comes around? will it be lower than 3nm at that time. How small can they go and what happens when they reach 1-2nm..where do they go next? just curious

Sub-1nm.

While every time the process is shrunk it comes with significant engineering challenges, there's no inherent barrier at the 1 nanometer. For example, the first intel chip was 10 microns. They didn't just get to 1 micron (the 486) and say "we can't go smaller." They went sub 1 micron and started measuring in nanometers instead. It will be interesting to see if they refer to sub nanometer processes by fractions of a nanometer (e.g. 0.8 nm) or shift to referring to them on an Angstrom or Picometer scale instead.

M5 might be an improved 3nm process, a 2nm process, or smaller. If Apple is working on the M5 they likely have a target for what the process size will be since that's a key variable in the processor design process.

 

[klasma]

M5? It’s M6 or nothing for me.

The M series is so 2020. Waiting for the N series.

 

[rgwebb]

Are we sure that they didn't hack into a BMW server by mistake?

Gotta hold out with this M2 MBA until the M5 year so I can say that I finally can afford an M5.

 

[anshuvorty]

That settles it for me.

I will no longer get an M3 computer. I will wait for the M5. 🤣

Forget the M5, I’m waiting on the M10!! Let’s go!!!

 

[Spock]

The M-5, I hope that Apple has figured out how to avoid issues with multitronic units.

 

[adamw]

Why no M4 being reported in this news blurb, and the skip to just A19 and M5?

 

[klasma]

Remember people, we are in the infancy of Apple Silicon. What wonders might lie ahead?

I’m dreading for when it will hit puberty.

 

[Darren.h]

M4 will probably be a slightly turned up M3. still based on 3nm.
The M5 is probably the first chip based on 2nm.

 

[Manzanito]

This means the A18 is already finished and could have been added to the Iphone 15 pro series if apple wanted to

Why? They can be working on several generations of chips simultanously. And even if the design of the A18 were finished, that doesn’t mean the chip is ready for mass production.

Also, the iphone 15 wasn’t designed with the A18 in mind.

 

[ItsASpider]

Sub-1nm.

While every time the process is shrunk it comes with significant engineering challenges, there's no inherent barrier at the 1 nanometer. For example, the first intel chip was 10 microns. They didn't just get to 1 micron (the 486) and say "we can't go smaller." They went sub 1 micron and started measuring in nanometers instead. It will be interesting to see if they refer to sub nanometer processes by fractions of a nanometer (e.g. 0.8 nm) or shift to referring to them on an Angstrom or Picometer scale instead.

Intel at least has already decided on Angstrom, hence their Intel A20, Intel A18, etc. naming.

 

[unrigestered]

just wow… so does this prove that Apple actually has plans for it's future?!? 😱

 

[ignatius345]

the latest discoveries are believed to correspond to the "A19," "M5 Pro," "M5 Max," and "M5 Ultra" chips, suggesting that work on these processors is underway.

Brace yourselves for angry people on this website whinging about why it's taking so long for the M5 Macs to come out, and a bunch of posts with titles like "buy MBP M2 now or wait for M5???"

 

[ItsASpider]

so you think they're working on the A19 before the A18?

No, they are working on the A18 and have begun working on the A19 as well. Just like every other manufacturer in this business does. Intel is already working on the 15th and 16th gen. AMD is already working on Zen 4c, 5 and 5c. Etc. That's just how this works.

 

[unrigestered]

I'll hold out for the M16!
that'll be a blast!

 

[orbital~debris]

MR headline makes it sound like someone discovered the blueprints to the Death Star!

'References to' are a bit more mundane, placeholder-ey.

 

[goonie4life9]

You mean Apple doesn't just make these chips right before the devices are relased? You mean to tell me the controlled leaks of "last minute changes," is nothing but PR nonsense to produce astroturf hype? Knock me over with a feather!

 

[klasma]

Why no M4 being reported in this news blurb, and the skip to just A19 and M5?

The M4s are listed here, MacRumors omitted that: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/a19-and-m5-chips-confirmed-by-apples-servers.2399180/

 

[unrigestered]

I'm just hoping that MR now won't have to take the consequences for high level espionage, as they've just revealed things no one could have foreseen