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You need to make the monitor stand wider to accommodate two monitors. So, so many designers use that setup now (myself included) especially when doing audio editing, graphic design and video editing.
 
I think it looks excellent and will follow this thread avidly.

Any plans to build and sell after completion?

When I have time to read through the thread fully I'll post some more in-depth comments.

What CAD program are you using to model it?
 
glad to see the desk is coming along luke, looking forward to seeing the final version as your renders so far are very impressive, depending on costs you should look to market this desk once you have the first one all done and dusted,

Simon
 
You need to make the monitor stand wider to accommodate two monitors. So, so many designers use that setup now (myself included) especially when doing audio editing, graphic design and video editing.

or maybe include some kind of rail/pole/arm assembly to take single and dual monitors (as options)
 
Right after a bit of annoyance from staff the wood has been ordered in and due for delivery on Tuesday so by the end of the week there will be some photos up with the dry assembly as a possibility.

Thanks for all the responses I will try to answer most of them.

The CAD software I am using is Google Sketchup with a rendering plug-in called iRender.

I would absolutely love to see my design go into production and produced for retail.
I am seriously considering and looking into building some more once the first prototype is completed, which I will be using to test it out and because I want it :p
It depends on costs and time. How much would people be prepared to pay is the main problem as mass produced desks are cheap because their mass produced.

I have done a cost evaluation for the desk which would most certainly have to be reduced if it was to be put into production (and would be due to bulk and repetitive buying/manufacturing). At this stage I won't be posting the costs though, but I will say it’s the most expensive A level project my school has ever seen (not sure about other schools).

A dual-monitor setup is very common these days as I already use my laptop monitor with an external display which is very handy and needed for certain programs. If the stand was to be expanded to hold more than one monitor, it would look out of proportion. A dual-monitor (or tri-monitor) setup can very easily be added and cables would still be reasonably hidden. The monitors would be on different levels but not by much. Many monitors have adjustable stand which could be used to make them level. I don't believe the monitors are too far back but some people may prefer being 30cm away from a 24" monitor (not me). Current desks in IT classrooms are about the same distance away from the monitor and its pretty much standard worktop depth.
To support dual monitors a stand could well be manufactured but the costs for the option might be quite high due to low number of items in production, it could be a good idea but as I have said it may not be necessary.

I did look into a table top that raised up in quite a number of designs but decided against it. I feel it would reduce the smooth look and feel of the worktop as well as other reasons. Many designers will prefer their own equipment, including a drawing board which would also have rulers and guides etc... On which mine couldn't have.

When on the top of the worktop the speakers would be venerable and prone to spillages, items being dropped or just on them which isn't good also the dust would settle and not be good either.

Adding additional equipment means added cost, also the more integration there is the less flexibility there is. Graphics pads tech would move on leaving the desk needing an upgrade. It’s easier to have separate equipment like that. No one would buy a desk for £2500 because although it had everything in, not everyone would want it all and it would waste their money. If they were optional it means more lines of production, more parts and more money even if no options were added.

No desk is ever going to be able to accommodate everyone’s custom needs or even equipment. There’s no point in narrowing down the targeted market either by adding things in. I feel that the way I have it now, the balance is right as the items integrated in are all needs. I.e. monitor stand allowing for keyboard and mouse to be pushed away into another level or space, speakers, drawing tools organiser, dock, hub etc... etc...

Thanks again everyone, oh and the next update will be Friday/Saturday next week and will hopefully show dry assembly
 
I'm looking forward to seeing the images of the first stage assembly :)

:) Slight delays as it is taking a bit longer and I might be altering the design but it's not likely. Ive sort of 'pushed' the back box up into the worktop to make it hardly visable but it makes the whole design so, so much more complicated for the cuts and parts in the worktop.

It won't be much longer at all though till I can fit it together as I will be going in at lunch times to get it done. Theres a lot on at school at the moment though which is one reason why its slowed build time a bit.

I recon pushing the back into the worktop makes the design fit together much better and looks a lot more stylish but I may not have the time to make the change. Time is tight as it is.
 

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:) Slight delays as it is taking a bit longer and I might be altering the design but it's not likely. Ive sort of 'pushed' the back box up into the worktop to make it hardly visable but it makes the whole design so, so much more complicated for the cuts and parts in the worktop.

It won't be much longer at all though till I can fit it together as I will be going in at lunch times to get it done. Theres a lot on at school at the moment though which is one reason why its slowed build time a bit.

I recon pushing the back into the worktop makes the design fit together much better and looks a lot more stylish but I may not have the time to make the change. Time is tight as it is.

Wow looks great. Im in the UK wouldn't mind purchasing that :D
 
People who posted in the latter half of this thread have said some of things I was thinking, but here are some of them again. ;) (Note: I'm not a designer.)


1. I don't like the monitor stand. There isn't much point to having one if the space underneath the stand wasn't usable for your work. It's not like an iCurve or something (nor should it be). The gap is just large enough for you to slide your keyboard underneath, right?

The stand also prevents you from cleanly having a dual-monitor setup.


2. The base bars aren't a very good idea, like ThunderRobot said. If the floor isn't perfectly level, the user would run into problems. Designers who are considering this desk for their work, which would likely cost a lot more than a typical desk, won't make choices like most silly consumers. ;) A table with 4 legs, and without the board running along the ground is probably more appreciated. Your design is prettier though.

3. Forget iPod docks and speakers facing vertically. Like you said, there are issues. I mean, if liquid spilled onto the desk, there's a possibility that your electronics would be ruined.

4. I don't know where you've put it (can't find it...sorry), but where did you put the USB dock? I'd put the powerboard and USB dock along the left and right sides of the desk (not the table-top).

5. I don't think the middle drawer should be there. That way, you could put a keyboard drawer there instead. You can also fit one underneath the middle drawer somehow (?), but it would be quite far down from the table-top.

6. Instead of drawers like the ones you have, perhaps have transparent lids on the top of your desk. As mentioned by someone else, if you're a designer who sits at his desk all day, do you really want to move out of the way just so that you can get something from a drawer? It's not as practical as it could be. If the lids were on the top of your desk, and transparent, you could look into the drawer and see whether the pen, pencil, etc, is inside without having to open it. Also, you wouldn't need to move out of the way to open the drawer.

7. If you have the middle drawer present, and you're worried about heat, have you thought about having perforated drawers, or drawer bottoms/sides? They could be metal while the other sides of the drawer are made of wood. I don't know how feasible this is.

8. The table should be inclineable, at least a little bit. Having said that, there should be a short lip sticking out from the edge of the desk nearest the user so that pencils don't just roll off when the table is inclined.


Heating would be an issue but I would advise that the middle drawer would be for equipment that wont have much heat produced. Likes, phones, personal music players, docks, some hard drives, etc.. whatever the user wants to. Maybe even a small sound mixer for audio engineering :)

You can recommend how the table can be used, but if a user chooses to put something in his drawer that creates a bit too much heat for its own good, your desk should be able to accomodate that heat without screwing up his equipment.

Your desk should NOT get in the way of their work. They should be able to put whatever they want, in whatever drawer they want, as long as it physically fits inside. It's a desk drawer, and the desk is a place to do work. You shouldn't have to work around it.




Adding additional equipment means added cost, also the more integration there is the less flexibility there is. Graphics pads tech would move on leaving the desk needing an upgrade. It’s easier to have separate equipment like that. No one would buy a desk for £2500 because although it had everything in, not everyone would want it all and it would waste their money. If they were optional it means more lines of production, more parts and more money even if no options were added.
You're absolutely right. Don't include it. ;)
 
People who posted in the latter half of this thread have said some of things I was thinking, but here are some of them again. ;) (Note: I'm not a designer.)

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You're absolutely right. Don't include it. ;)

Thanks for taking the time to add some feedback to my thread.

I will try to reply your comments and explain my choices.

1. I found that adding another level adds well needed room to neatly store the input devices (KB & Mouse) in when not in use. The desk is massive (1500 x 800) so the worktop is definitely big enough for a large amount of items and work.

2. In design there is always a compromise between style and function. I have chose this style as the function of the rest of the desk is good and on a personal level I love the way it looks with the base bars. It would be suitable for a large amount of users but there is always going to be compromises.

3. Yup, thanks for confirming my thoughts... although... The ability to fit a dock inside the worktop is a good sales point and adds to the 'integration' part of the design.

4. Yup there is a hub. It’s located under the monitor stand on the left. It also has audio ports (in and out/mic and headphone). Thanks for the mention about the power strip, in my original designing stage just after the brief I wrote notes about a power strip but completely forgot about it. I've added one on the side of the desk; I may fit two, 2 plug strips on the worktop, one on each side

5. I went against the keyboard tray as they seems 'cheap' to me and aren’t neat, everything can be seen. A drawer for electronic equipment, gadgets and devices is much more suited in my eyes. It’s not a drawer that would be opened regularly whilst the workstation is in use, but a neat hideaway for items, probably used when the user first gets to the desk then when he leaves, taking his phone/portable hard drive etc... with him.

6. I decided on drawers because they wouldn't get in the way of the users work that’s on the worktop. With lids and anything similar the worktop is broken up and unusable sections aren’t practical because the items and work would need to be moved when anything is needed from the compartments. In the drawing utensils drawer the 2 half sections are removable as displayed in the render with drawing equipment on. Taking out the tools needed in one organised tray.

7. It is a possibility and it wouldn't be too hard to make happen.

8. I looked into having the top tilt on probably a click-clack system but decided against it as anything on the worktop would fall off, drinks, lamps, laptop, papers and display? Even with a lip at the bottom it wouldn’t be comfortable and wouldn't stop much from falling/rolling.

Thanks again for the input! :cool:

Short Update:
The next set back... snow... school is closed; I’m probably one of the only people who wanted to go in (to make my desk). So I’ve lost a day of building. I spent last night making engineering drawings for the altered worktop (pushed up platform). I also decided to present the product in a PDF document using Photoshop and illustrator. (I'm only a rookie on them). Link at the bottom.

Also I've decided on a name which is shown in the PDF document.
'Novanta'. I thought that every single edge is perpendicular to every other edge. Perpendicular means at right angles to which is 90 degrees. In furniture design my workstation has an Italian style and quality to it so I translated ninety from English to Italian and it came up with Novanta. :cool:

Novanta Leaflet.pdf - 1.61MB

Edit: Added new leaflet, explains the product more with additional views of the workstation
Novanta.pdf - 2.80MB
 
Novanta.


And if you're going to put an iPod dock, at least have the decency to include an Aux port beside it. Otherwise, I'd be unable to use the table's audio capabilities at all, and if I pay a high cost for a table partially due to an integrated audio system, I'd like to be able to use it. ;)


Also, put a headphone port at the front of the desk. That way, if the user wants to listen to his iPod using earphones, he won't need to take the iPod off the dock, or use a really long headphone cable to connect to the iPod.


The PDF is OK, but you didn't really include a diagram of the internal drawers and cable system, which is supposed to be one of the biggest selling points. Having said that, I didn't really understand where the electronics were supposed to go anyway. The diagrams you posted in this thread weren't very clear to me. :confused:
 
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make this desk available for purchase!! :D:D:D I love its design and its functionality is amazing.
 
1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8.
Thanks again for the input! :cool:
Short Update: ...

Hi Luke,

Is the huge house featured in your PDF your home? :eek: lol

Anyway, I love how your approaching this project and can't see how you could get anything but great grades for it.

If you have access to InDesign, this will be a better layout program to put your PDFs together in, allowing you to place Illustrator (best for vector work, i.e. your swirly backgrounds) and Photoshop or other image files (your mock up images and pic of yourself in front of large house) within your page layouts. A PDF created from InDesign will keep text in its vector format allowing it to remain clear at any zoom level and avoiding messy anti-aliasing issues. It could also improve your file sizes.

A few responses to your recent responses:

1. I agree - for the average user you seem to of thought out the sizes well.

2. You should consider something to combat the uneven floor problem. A lot of houses (especially here in the UK) have very strange bumps in floors. Even more so in older Victorian/Edwardian houses.

3. I like the dock. Could it be waterproof / sealed? Include a cap? Spillages are a common occurrence for a lot of people and to wipe out a desk feature with the wave of a poorly aimed hand would / could be a disaster. Also see #4:

4. Power supply issues would definitely need to be addressed. Part of you cabling / metal cage solution? Is there a neat way to use the headphone socket on the desk to listen to your docked iPod/iPhone?

5. & 6. I like your plan for the draws. Very versatile and unobtrusive. I hate keyboard draws / trays, so well done in saying they're tacky :) Most people I know agree, so your on the right track there I think. Much prefer your top compartment for tidying away the KB & M. Draws are always going to get in the way if they are easy to access, so your positioning is fine in my opinion. No one keeps things they need often in the back of a draw. It's just common sense.

7. Would be a nice addition. But people silly enough to put something that generates a lot of heat in a confined space doesn't necessarily need to be catered for... The extreme would be to allow 'fan kits' to integrate into the draws for cooling, but that goes a little down the specialised route that your avoiding - add-on kits etc.

8. A tilt could only be integrated using a section of the desk that lifts up like a drawing board, but you have previously discarded that idea due to it being a specialist requirement, not suitable to your 'mainstream designer' target.

I've not read my post through, so sorry if its garbled gibberish. oh, and I've pm'd you.

Cheers

Doug
 
Hi Luke,

Is the huge house featured in your PDF your home? :eek: lol

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Anyway, I love how your approaching this project and can't see how you could get anything but great grades for it.

A few responses to your recent responses:

1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8.
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Cheers

Doug

Ahh that house isn't mine :p it's not actually a house... well it was in the olden days but its now a hotel. I'm definatly not a rich b*****d which is why funding or the project is an issue at the moment, I am having to pay for it myself. Mum took me and bros down their for photoshoot where we have some of the pics blown up on canvas... anyway I used it cos it was the only suitable photo I had really and it was quite powerful ;)

Thanks for that tip, I shall look into using InDesign when I have time. I haven't used it before but it should be alright. photoshop and illustrator were easy enough (after playing around)

It's always useful to get another persons opinions so thanks for the input.

1. Yup Cheers :)

2. Yes I agree it is an issue. I will be looking into a solution but without reducing the style and shape.

3. It's a good idea, possibly a bit hard to solve in reality and maybe a bit more 'fafing' around but I am still working out how to fit it into the desk. Make my own dock, buy a dock and fit it in, make it removable and replaceable? what connections etc... A lot to do, so little time ;)

4. I will have to work out the electronics soon and I would hope I can make the iPod dock play through speakers and the headphone port, a friend actually commented about that today also. What issues with the power supply? I have now integrated a power strip onto the side of the desk (not exactly sure how yet but it shouldn't be too hard). You may not have noticed that I have added that feature thanks to abstract's input.

5+6. Thanks for that comment :) Obveously I fully agree.

7. It could be possible but adding cost as two peices of mesh would need to be produced; one for the drawer base and one for the bottom of the desk where the drawer sits above. My opinion is there is enough space for heat producing and heat sensitive equipment under the desk in the mesh platform.

8. It could make it mroe appealing to that market but I chose against the tilting solution also because It would mean I would need to break up the smoothness of the worktop and there would be a line/seam running through it, degrading the look and finish.

seems to make sense to me but I don't often read through my post so. Good input there cheers again. I'll look at InDesign now.
Luke.

Also a quick update is in order.
Thanks to 2 days off school due to snow I have now been at school again today and done a couple of hours work. I finished cutting the parts out with a jigsaw and hardcore sanding down. I got the parts and slotted them together. They fit perfectly (atm) with mm perfect dimensions. tomorrow I will be doing 3 hours work so The full dry assembly will be done as I need to route out some slots to finish it. I have been taking photos but only from my friends iPhone so he's copying them to my laptop tomorrow and I will post the first photos up here!

Also one of my teachers is into high tech equipment and he suggested doing a rapid prototype which to explain what it is to some people. It's like printing out a CAD model into a 3D object, it uses layers of resin to produce an object, just think of it as a 3d printer. A uni I have been accepted into has mention that they have this equipment availible so I'm about to contact them to see if they can help me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_prototyping

Also again thanks to the people that have commented saying they would buy it and that I should make some more etc... I know someone that knows someone that knows a factory in china so I'm going to contact him to see what can be produced :) It would be amazing and a dream if I can launch a production and for it to pay my way through uni :) probably wont happen but I like trying to make dreams happen, push the boundries.
 
Ok since its the end of the week I will post a couple of photos as I've got them off my mates iPhone. Basically this weeks been very annoying as thursday is normally a big day for product design as I could do nearly 4 hours work but it was again closed due to heavy snow fall. Went in today but didn't manage to route out the last parts. Planning to do the routing out on monday/tuesday.

Just a couple of photos showing some progress.
 

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Update:

Ok so I got round to routing all the grooves and stuff. Also had time to build the monitor stand which works well :)

Today I fitted it all together for a dry assembly and it fits well, since its all cut by hand there are a few parts where the wood components are half a mm off but nothing a bit of sanding, glueing, filling and pinning can't handle :)

It is rather big but I chose that size so that I get maximum workspace.

Now I need to work out the electronics and wiring and fit all that in and sort out the legs, metal mesh and drawer runners. Then make the drawers :)

Once I have confirmed all the electronics I can then drill some holes for wiring and then glue and pin the whole worktop together then fit the wiring.
 

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There is now a small website up and running thanks to 'design-is'.
Flash based brochure with a link to download the PDF.

http://Novanta.Design-Is.co.uk

I have just got the drawer runners and quite shocked by the quotes I've recieved for the square perforated metal. I may have to use an alternative material for the prototype but I'm trying to get around the cost issue.

Half term atm btw so no progress other than research, buying, advertising and planning.
 
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