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It perplexes me that, after all we’ve seen about Apple’s product launch M.O., analysts and observers talking about this *hypothetical* Apple TV-set all seem to focus persistently on the aspects that are of secondary relevance: hardware specs, UI, pricing… (okay, pricing is not really secondary but it doesn’t exist in a vacuum and it can be changed).

That an Apple TV-set would be a top-notch technological device in terms of performance, UI and build-quality is a given; we’re talking about Apple. However that’s not enough to achieve a break-through, especially in a market as cut-throat as television (from all points of view: hardware, content and content-distribution).

To figure out how an Apple TV-set can be successful, you need to look at how the iOS platform, especially iPad became such a hit, and then try to imagine how Apple can devise an analogous strategy by leveraging its existing strengths.

What makes the iOS devices so successful is the combination of a seamless experience and a mind-blowing offer of applications.

What’s the equivalent of Apps for a TV? Video content, obviously. But it’s been largely reported that Apple is not going to get viable deals anytime soon with Big Media, to deliver a large enough choice of content offering on the iTunes marketplace, at a competitive value proposition. Things even seem to go the opposite way: CBS says no deal, Movie companies build their own cloud-based offers.

Apple, therefore is in a tough predicament. It had been hard enough to get the ailing Music Industry on board when iTunes started. With much healthier Hollywood and Big Media, it’s just not going to work; and I didn’t even mention the stronghold of cable and satellite providers on the distribution side.

In such context, television business as we know it is a territory that Apple has no interest stepping into. Apple is about disrupting the status quo, ‘revolutionizing’ industries. So what can Apple do to disrupt the current way of doing TV business from a content perspective?

To answer that, I think we need to look at the iPad and the iOS platform again, a bit more closely this time. Those Apps that make the platform so excellent, what do they share in common, for the great majority of them? It’s that they are made by independent developers. Bingo! That’s where a Apple TV-platform can bring something different: enable independent production of video content.

Let’s face it: at least 90% of the TV-content that is offered right now is, well, cr4p: poor taste reality-TV, sensationalist pseudo-news, moronic talk-shows, and series that all feel the same again and again... In other words, the stuff that is supposed to sell more ads by gathering a large but intellectually unconcerned audience. That content is essentially formatted/dictated by the networks for which the intrinsic quality of the shows is often a second thought, as long as audience numbers are good… It’s a world where there’s little to no place for creators’ independent thinking.

If Apple takes the plunge and makes a push on TV, I think that’s where they will place their bets: a platform that empowers independent production, with a different, more direct monetization model. Independent producers would just offer their shows the same way that developers currently offer their apps: either for pay or iAd-based, but without the intermediation of the big networks. That would be quite bold for a bet and it could fail miserably, but I think it has chances to work, and if it does, it could be extremely disruptive.
 
The three most important words in Apple TV...
Content, content, content.

The word "resolution" isn't one of those words. It will not be a display.

It has everything to do with content distribution. That's what Steve "cracked" - not something as pedestrian as a higher resolution monitor.

Agreed. It's difficult to see how just making a high-end monitor works for Apple - they have masses of well-established competition at all and every price range from Viewsonic at the cheap end to B&O/Loewe at the very expensive end. Finding a USP to make people switch to JAFTV would be very, very difficult.

However, a slide-in unit (or even STB) with emulators for PS, XBOX, Wii, cable boxes, satellite boxes and DTV receivers with 100% available content agreements (whether via iTunes or not) would be very attractive. But more than likely impossible for even Apple to broker those deals.
 
Picture if you will...

Apple always tries to flip the market upside down....

This iTV will have no coaxial connection. WHAT you say? Apple didn’t support flash, what makes you think they will support the "old media ways". Cable companies will get peeved. The back of the iTV will have a power hook up and one USB or HDMI hook up. BULL you say, just one? It’s time for new and improved. Picture if you will….

1.) Coaxial lines...out the door. DSL lines, no hook up for those either. There will be one hook up, either USB or HDMI. This is so you can hard connect your router to the iTV. Would the router be built into the iTV. No. Because, for the time being, apple doesn't care how you get your internet. So if it comes in via coaxial, DSL, .?..cellular.., or whatever the future may hold, you convert it over to a newly pushed standard hook for TV’s supported by apple (USB or HDMI). Apple wants to standardize the market and make it simple, right?

2.) Those Barbaric Audio and video hook ups? Finally gone. Everything is done through your wireless network. If you own a appleTV 2nd gen, and a iOS device and/or iMac, you know this is already possible. Why? Because is everything is tied together. So why have cords to the receiver, its no longer needed, get one of those “new receivers” that have wireless built in. As for the receiver companies, don’t worry, apple wont monopolize on this market, because it wants the little guys to get excited about new tech and profit too. This only pushes apples own agenda on the TV market further. But you have no wireless network you say? No problem…

3.) The TV has a built in wireless network. Not a receiver, a wireless network. When you plug up your router to the TV, it starts broadcasting for all devices to connect to the TV. This is cool because now any data on any device hooked up to your TV will instantly play on the TV or any other device with no additional setup required. "It just works".

4.) You have an “old” TV that has a wireless receiver built in or an available USB that you can plug in a wireless receiver to, well..that now acts as a portal to your new iTV and the new iTV creates a VPN providing the illusion of a stripped down iOS TV window for media consumption.

5.) What about your DVD, blue ray player, or 3D blue ray player. In the end, these are all forms of media. This is built into itunes, and thereby built into the OS for the iTV. You dont need them any more. All you need is an audio receiver.

6.) What about the Wii, XBox, and SNES. Gone. iTV supports the app store. Your Iphone, iPad, and iPod now serve as the controllers to play games. When ever your friends come over with their iOS device, you have a new controller that instantly works.

7.) That old external hard drive and/or server? The one collecting dust. Gone. Built into the new iTV.

Your media center just got cleaned up and the TV is reborn as the media center of the house again. The wires behind the TV are now limited to power, 1 network hook up, and an audio receiver device.

ONE MORE THING...
The next version of the iTV OS supports wireless speakers. All you need to do is specify in the iTV audio settings where the speaker is located. It is no longer necessary to position speakers in specific spots. the iTV adjusts the audio based on the location of the speaker as you specified it in the iOS.
 
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Apple always tries to flip the market upside down....

1.) Apple wants to standardize the market and make it simple, right?

That reminds me of the ADC disaster when Apple actually tried to go their own way: the market taught them a quick lesson that there is already a standard, that standard is called DVI and trying to cook your own standard is almost always doomed.

3.) The TV has a built in wireless network. Not a receiver, a wireless network.

My TV will have an entire Wireless NETWORK build in? Interesting... what did you study? Obviously not networking nor technology...

This is cool ... "It just works".

If you say so...

4.) ... the new iTV creates a VPN providing the illusion of a stripped down iOS TV window for media consumption.

Uhm... can I watch TV with that? Whatever you say...

5.) What about your DVD, blue ray player, or 3D blue ray player. In the end, these are all forms of media.

Well spotted, Captain Obvious!

You dont need them any more.

Sais who exactly?!! Me getting rid of my 100+ DVD collection? NO WAY!!!

6.) What about the Wii, XBox, and SNES. Gone. iTV supports the app store.

What do I care if there's an app store? I got my Wii!

Your Iphone, iPad, and iPod now serve as the controllers to play games. When ever your friends come over with their iOS device, you have a new controller that instantly works.

Whenever my friends come over with their own Wii controllers they instantly work - including their saved characters and game data. What was your point again? That an iPhone is the ultimate finding in ergonomy as a game device or what?

7.) That old external hard drive and/or server? The one collecting dust. Gone. Built into the new iTV.

"And all you have to do if you want to upgrade the size of the hard disk is to carry your 55" to the next Apple Store and you'll get an upgrade within the next 10 days!" - Yeah right...

The wires behind the TV are now limited to power, 1 network hook up, and an audio receiver device.

Fair enough.

It is no longer necessary to position speakers in specific spots. the iTV adjusts the audio based on the location of the speaker as you specified it in the iOS.

That's nothing new. Bose Systems do that automagically, no need to specify anything besides running a "self-audio-test".


Boy you must be a convinced Apple fanboi out there!
 
Apple always tries to flip the market upside down....

This iTV will have no coaxial connection. WHAT you say? Apple didn’t support flash, what makes you think they will support the "old media ways". Cable companies will get peeved. The back of the iTV will have a power hook up and one USB or HDMI hook up. BULL you say, just one? It’s time for new and improved. Picture if you will….

1.) Coaxial lines...out the door. DSL lines, no hook up for those either. There will be one hook up, either USB or HDMI. This is so you can hard connect your router to the iTV. Would the router be built into the iTV. No. Because, for the time being, apple doesn't care how you get your internet. So if it comes in via coaxial, DSL, .?..cellular.., or whatever the future may hold, you convert it over to a newly pushed standard hook for TV’s supported by apple (USB or HDMI). Apple wants to standardize the market and make it simple, right?

2.) Those Barbaric Audio and video hook ups? Finally gone. Everything is done through your wireless network. If you own a appleTV 2nd gen, and a iOS device and/or iMac, you know this is already possible. Why? Because is everything is tied together. So why have cords to the receiver, its no longer needed, get one of those “new receivers” that have wireless built in. As for the receiver companies, don’t worry, apple wont monopolize on this market, because it wants the little guys to get excited about new tech and profit too. This only pushes apples own agenda on the TV market further. But you have no wireless network you say? No problem…

3.) The TV has a built in wireless network. Not a receiver, a wireless network. When you plug up your router to the TV, it starts broadcasting for all devices to connect to the TV. This is cool because now any data on any device hooked up to your TV will instantly play on the TV or any other device with no additional setup required. "It just works".

4.) You have an “old” TV that has a wireless receiver built in or an available USB that you can plug in a wireless receiver to, well..that now acts as a portal to your new iTV and the new iTV creates a VPN providing the illusion of a stripped down iOS TV window for media consumption.

5.) What about your DVD, blue ray player, or 3D blue ray player. In the end, these are all forms of media. This is built into itunes, and thereby built into the OS for the iTV. You dont need them any more. All you need is an audio receiver.

6.) What about the Wii, XBox, and SNES. Gone. iTV supports the app store. Your Iphone, iPad, and iPod now serve as the controllers to play games. When ever your friends come over with their iOS device, you have a new controller that instantly works.

7.) That old external hard drive and/or server? The one collecting dust. Gone. Built into the new iTV.

Your media center just got cleaned up and the TV is reborn as the media center of the house again. The wires behind the TV are now limited to power, 1 network hook up, and an audio receiver device.

ONE MORE THING...
The next version of the iTV OS supports wireless speakers. All you need to do is specify in the iTV audio settings where the speaker is located. It is no longer necessary to position speakers in specific spots. the iTV adjusts the audio based on the location of the speaker as you specified it in the iOS.

This is ridiculous. They would sell 10 of these things. I have about 100 Blu-ray and 150 DVD movies. Throw them away and repurchase all of my content through Apple? No way. Not to mention that it will be a long time before the video and audio quality of a download matches a Blu-ray disc.

Letting Apple handle all of my audio wirelessly? Apple is the last company I think of when I think of good, premium audio. The ONE MORE THING isn't necessary because it has already been done by Bose, Yamaha, H/K, etc. They are all companies that know audio a heck of a lot better then Apple.

So I cut the coaxial then how do I get my local news programming? How about sporting events? Do I buy all of these through Apple? I mean I can't even hook up an antenna and get my local channels for free. What if I want to use a PS3, xBox or Wii? Buy another TV? You must believe that everyone is loaded with a ton of cash to think this is going to go over like hot cakes.
 
It perplexes me that, after all we’ve seen about Apple’s product launch M.O., analysts and observers talking about this *hypothetical* Apple TV-set all seem to focus persistently on the aspects that are of secondary relevance: hardware specs, UI, pricing… (okay, pricing is not really secondary but it doesn’t exist in a vacuum and it can be changed).

That an Apple TV-set would be a top-notch technological device in terms of performance, UI and build-quality is a given; we’re talking about Apple. However that’s not enough to achieve a break-through, especially in a market as cut-throat as television (from all points of view: hardware, content and content-distribution).

To figure out how an Apple TV-set can be successful, you need to look at how the iOS platform, especially iPad became such a hit, and then try to imagine how Apple can devise an analogous strategy by leveraging its existing strengths.

What makes the iOS devices so successful is the combination of a seamless experience and a mind-blowing offer of applications.

What’s the equivalent of Apps for a TV? Video content, obviously. But it’s been largely reported that Apple is not going to get viable deals anytime soon with Big Media, to deliver a large enough choice of content offering on the iTunes marketplace, at a competitive value proposition. Things even seem to go the opposite way: CBS says no deal, Movie companies build their own cloud-based offers.

Apple, therefore is in a tough predicament. It had been hard enough to get the ailing Music Industry on board when iTunes started. With much healthier Hollywood and Big Media, it’s just not going to work; and I didn’t even mention the stronghold of cable and satellite providers on the distribution side.

In such context, television business as we know it is a territory that Apple has no interest stepping into. Apple is about disrupting the status quo, ‘revolutionizing’ industries. So what can Apple do to disrupt the current way of doing TV business from a content perspective?

To answer that, I think we need to look at the iPad and the iOS platform again, a bit more closely this time. Those Apps that make the platform so excellent, what do they share in common, for the great majority of them? It’s that they are made by independent developers. Bingo! That’s where a Apple TV-platform can bring something different: enable independent production of video content.

Let’s face it: at least 90% of the TV-content that is offered right now is, well, cr4p: poor taste reality-TV, sensationalist pseudo-news, moronic talk-shows, and series that all feel the same again and again... In other words, the stuff that is supposed to sell more ads by gathering a large but intellectually unconcerned audience. That content is essentially formatted/dictated by the networks for which the intrinsic quality of the shows is often a second thought, as long as audience numbers are good… It’s a world where there’s little to no place for creators’ independent thinking.

If Apple takes the plunge and makes a push on TV, I think that’s where they will place their bets: a platform that empowers independent production, with a different, more direct monetization model. Independent producers would just offer their shows the same way that developers currently offer their apps: either for pay or iAd-based, but without the intermediation of the big networks. That would be quite bold for a bet and it could fail miserably, but I think it has chances to work, and if it does, it could be extremely disruptive.

Or they could just buy Disney.
 
A decade ago Apple was all about being creative. Now it is just "pay, sit-back and consume". They used to target users, now they target "consumers". Really boring. Time to start a new hobby.

Christian
 
So siri will work on this but the next siri update will require an apple a7 processor since the a6 won't have the power. Also if apple gets rid of connection ports many of us with 360s and ps3s and blurays simply won't buy. Besides the new 360 update will bring a lot. I'll keep my apple usage to my mini, ipad and ipod.

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I just wanna see the lines of people who will wait for days outside the apple store to pay for a 32inch apple tv @ 1500 a pop plus regular taxes and the apple tax of an additional 500 bucks... then the bgr pic of the first person who bought it being happy like he won the lotto lol

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Unless the Apple TV has things like user-settable overscan I won't buy it. Lots of LCD TVs have overscan on and you can't turn it off even with digital inputs, which is supremely obnoxious. Not having the bottom of your screen cut off makes a better user experience, something Apple is usually all about.
 
2.) Those Barbaric Audio and video hook ups? Finally gone. Everything is done through your wireless network. If you own a appleTV 2nd gen, and a iOS device and/or iMac, you know this is already possible. Why? Because is everything is tied together. So why have cords to the receiver, its no longer needed, get one of those “new receivers” that have wireless built in. As for the receiver companies, don’t worry, apple wont monopolize on this market, because it wants the little guys to get excited about new tech and profit too. This only pushes apples own agenda on the TV market further. But you have no wireless network you say? No problem…

This is a horrible idea. In my experience WIRED audio units (at least the high end stuff) sounds considerably better than wireless. If Apple is going to make a fancy TV that likely will cost a premium, I'm going to want a good sound system too. Not to mention other companies already have a lot of experience there. Remember the Apple branded iPod speaker dock? Yeah, wasn't too successful....

I think your ides would also piss off people with lots of DVDs and such. And gaming? Apple may be doing well for its iDevices, but its no Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft in terms of home console games which would be its main competitors on the TV gaming front.

And finally, with so much stuff thrown in there, if one item fails, you'd be screwed. You take it into Apple to get it fixed (losing your ability to use multiple products) or you buy another premium Apple TV... or you jump ship and just buy a cheaper competitor's unit.
 
This seems like an example of a rumor getting legs. Not only does it establish the fantasy product's existence, it also announces what sizes and CPU the fantasy product will have. Amazing. ;)
 
Apple always tries to flip the market upside down....

This iTV will have no coaxial connection. WHAT you say? Apple didn’t support flash, what makes you think they will support the "old media ways". Cable companies will get peeved. The back of the iTV will have a power hook up and one USB or HDMI hook up. BULL you say, just one? It’s time for new and improved. Picture if you will….

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Hahahahahah!!!! I needed a good laugh!. What? You mean you were *serious*?!?

Oh yes, I can see folks who have extensive DVD and BluRay collections (700 DVDs and 50 BluRays is my current count) suddenly deciding that despite all the money they've spent, they'll simply write that all off and buy it all over again through iTunes, in some cases at a lower resolution and/or lower bitrate than what they've currently got. Yeah. Like that's *really* going to happen.

As for replacing the dedicated games console with an App Store approach, you'd be laughed out of the room. I can really see folks trying to play Halo with an iPod Touch as a controller. :rolleyes:

Finally, when will folks get it into their heads that this will NOT be called the iTV. ITV has existed for over 60 years, and is a major TV Broadcaster in the UK. Apple have already backed down over this when the original Apple TV was announced as iTV, only for Apple to back down and re-brand as Apple TV. Give it up, folks!
 
So I have a question for all those with extensive DVD/BD libraries. When the iPod came out and iTunes began delivering music online, what did you do with your "extensive" CD and tape libraries?

Most people ripped them and put them on their PC to download to their iPod, right?

Why couldn't the same thing happen here? Rip (or even better, "match") your DVD/BD collection to iTunes and access all of the content via iCloud to your iPhone/iPad/iTV.

I don't understand this attraction to digital media on plastic. It's just bits. Who cares where it lives. The point is it be should safe, secure, and universally available. iCloud does that for me just fine. That seems to be where the industry (Apple, Amazon, Google) is going.
 
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So I have a question for all those with extensive DVD/BD libraries.

Why couldn't the same thing happen here? Rip (or even better, "match") your DVD/BD collection to iTunes and access all of the content via iCloud to your iPhone/iPad/iTV.

Ripping all BD content would take soo long, power user only..

So movie matching is the only solution only if you suppose same quality (sound and picture match !!!) as bd is available

But even this is not realistic because, here in Canada Internet bandwith is soo expansive ! I can't even imagine what would happen !...

What funny about canada, when, for example, you subscribe to netflix (with default setting of 2.3 gb / hour for HD content) you will for sure exceed you montly usage limit (30-50 gb upload/download combined) for normal high speed internet connection
 
Yes, "match" would work better for those with bandwidth limits or slow speeds. I think that's the way Apple would have to implement it since multiple copies of movies would take up too much space on iCloud.

As for quality, didn't we give up quality when MP3's came out compared to CDs? Yes, lossless is here but I think most people still compress music.

I think the same would happen for video. Most people think that compressed 1080p MP4 over iTunes is good enough for watching on a 55" TV.

The goal is to get the masses on board, not the videophiles.
 
If Steve said he cracked the code, it means that Apple has more to offer than a Siri enabled remote and an integrated Apple TV. Logitec could implement a voice enabled remote and they are better positioned to do so.

Probably uses Siri to search for your content and control the set.

Play "Tron: Legacy" - will search for it locally on your LAN (iTunes Sharing), then go to iCloud if you don't store it locally.

Better have a LAN or Internet connection that works, not to mention an active iTunes account. :eek:

I'll stick with physical copies and a cheap disc player and TV, thank you...
 
Yes, "match" would work better for those with bandwidth limits or slow speeds. I think that's the way Apple would have to implement it since multiple copies of movies would take up too much space on iCloud.

As for quality, didn't we give up quality when MP3's came out compared to CDs? Yes, lossless is here but I think most people still compress music.

I think the same would happen for video. Most people think that compressed 1080p MP4 over iTunes is good enough for watching on a 55" TV.

The goal is to get the masses on board, not the videophiles.

But it is impossible to match movie! How proove you have an original BR !!!

There is no unique identifier (for each copie) for BR or DVD !
 
So I have a question for all those with extensive DVD/BD libraries. When the iPod came out and iTunes began delivering music online, what did you do with your "extensive" CD and tape libraries?

Most people ripped them and put them on their PC to download to their iPod, right?

Why couldn't the same thing happen here? Rip (or even better, "match") your DVD/BD collection to iTunes and access all of the content via iCloud to your iPhone/iPad/iTV.

I don't understand this attraction to digital media on plastic. It's just bits. Who cares where it lives. The point is it be should safe, secure, and universally available. iCloud does that for me just fine. That seems to be where the industry (Apple, Amazon, Google) is going.
It's still too big, even at DVD quality level, for most people to rip easily. Too many HDDs required. I have around 1000 CDs, I ripped much, not all, of that music into ALAC format and it took less than 100GB. Recently I converted it to aac+ and it cut that in half. Many people ripped even smaller than that. It would only take about 20 average DVD movies to fill that space I used for ALAC, something like 4 or 5 BD movies. We may be headed there, but not next year.

Similar issues for bandwidth for online access.
 
Ripping all BD content would take soo long, power user only..

Not only would it take a long time it would take HUGE amounts of disk space. Most BD's are either 25 GB single layer or 50 GB dual layer. Considering most new releases are coming in at 50 GB just imagine if you had (100) 50 GB BD's that you wanted to rip to a hard drive. That is not a huge collection at all, however you would need 5 terribytes of space just to hold 100 movies.

Some would say well just compress the heck out of them and you can fit them on less space. Sure, but there goes your quality. BD will probably be the last disc standard, however it is still pretty young and will be around for a long time. Digital downloads cannot compete for video or audio quality. BD is still in a league of it's own.
 
So I have a question for all those with extensive DVD/BD libraries. When the iPod came out and iTunes began delivering music online, what did you do with your "extensive" CD and tape libraries?

Most people ripped them and put them on their PC to download to their iPod, right?

Why couldn't the same thing happen here? Rip (or even better, "match") your DVD/BD collection to iTunes and access all of the content via iCloud to your iPhone/iPad/iTV.

I don't understand this attraction to digital media on plastic. It's just bits. Who cares where it lives. The point is it be should safe, secure, and universally available. iCloud does that for me just fine. That seems to be where the industry (Apple, Amazon, Google) is going.

a) wireless access may not be available everywhere which makes for either crappy/choppy streaming or no access at all.
b) as others have pointed out, blu-ray is huge as far as file sizes go. Though compression would be a option for small screened devices it would likely look like crap on a 45"+ TV.
c) who's to stop the company from stripping certain content away at ANY time? I like to own the products I pay for, with any streaming service I'm at the companies mercy.
 
Only 32 to 55 inches?
For me, this alone makes me question the rumor. (Sony's high end TVs range form 46-65", Apple would want to match Sony on the high-end, right?)
Apple may not try to match, just as they don't try to match large Android phones. Though it would be mistake - I would not buy 55" TV - too small for me.
 
1. The TV will be iOS device with app store, itunes, FaceTime and everything.
2. The TV will be controlled from iPad which will mirror the TV or Siri.
3. Initially the TV will be compatible with cable box as option, but it will use completely different cloud based streaming content distribution model similar to Hulu/Netfilx streaming/iTunes.

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Yes, TV is a low margin business, but so is the PC, and cellphone business.

Apple will make its TV overpriced: apple will make it a high margin business. People will buy into Apple brand and marketing hype once again.

Also Apple TV will help Apple to expand its ecosystem-empire so Apple could milk you even more selling overpriced overhyped stuff in sleek packaging.
 
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