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Only 1GB of ram!!!!! oh no what are we to do!!!!!!!!!

Seriously iOS8 doesn't need 2GB of ram to run efficiently, the clue was already there with both the 5 & 5S testing the beta, both these iPhones run iOS8 brilliantly & probably better than the current iOS7.

Apple won't add more memory just for the sake of it,because iOS isn't Android & tbh Vanilla Android runs superb on only 1GB of ram aswell, the reason you see 2-3GB in the likes of Samsung ect is because of the crap and the useless features they add which all eat up memory.

I have a Samsung Tab S, it has 3GB of ram and it still has lag, due to the amount of Samsung bloat that running in the background.

iOS is a different beast all together, so only having 1GB of ram is no biggy, if you want specs then go Android.
 
Only 1GB of ram!!!!! oh no what are we to do!!!!!!!!!

Seriously iOS8 doesn't need 2GB of ram to run efficiently, the clue was already there with both the 5 & 5S testing the beta, both these iPhones run iOS8 brilliantly & probably better than the current iOS7.

Apple won't add more memory just for the sake of it,because iOS isn't Android & tbh Vanilla Android runs superb on only 1GB of ram aswell, the reason you see 2-3GB in the likes of Samsung ect is because of the crap and the useless features they add which all eat up memory.

I have a Samsung Tab S, it has 3GB of ram and it still has lag, due to the amount of Samsung bloat that running in the background.

iOS is a different beast all together, so only having 1GB of ram is no biggy, if you want specs then go Android.

Ok iPhone runs smoothly but what about apps reloading? -.-' higher RAM amount won't fix android lags because OS is not well optimized for such huge range of mobile phones amount... We are talking about multitasking whereas Android wins because it can keep more apps in memory while iPhone, especially iPad air starts reloading them. I have iPad air and mostly it can't keep even 2 tabs without reload... Stop being blind fanboy, Apple doesn't add more RAM because of lower profit...
 
Excuses checklist. Copy and paste as needed.

1. I’ve never had a problem, and since everyone uses their iPad/iPhone exactly as I do, no one should have a problem.
2. People should replace their iPhones and iPads every year anyway, so whatever RAM future OSes may require is irrelevant.
3. I’ve used Android phones with tons more RAM and the experience was terrible, so clearly more RAM won’t solve anything on my iPhone.
4. iOS is so efficient it actually doesn’t need any RAM.
5. If developers did their job, it wouldn’t be a problem. Because they can call the useLessRam() function and fix that.
6. If you need more RAM, buy a laptop.
7. People aren’t going to stop buying iPhones, so criticizing them in any way is pointless.

Thanks for that. Real help. Close thread now no one needs to say anything else haha.

Can you do this for other threads too that way no one needs to discuss anything?
 
Apple should release the iPhone 6 with zero RAM


Then all the fools supporting apple will get their dream
 
Only 1GB of ram!!!!! oh no what are we to do!!!!!!!!!

Seriously iOS8 doesn't need 2GB of ram to run efficiently, the clue was already there with both the 5 & 5S testing the beta, both these iPhones run iOS8 brilliantly & probably better than the current iOS7.

Apple won't add more memory just for the sake of it,because iOS isn't Android & tbh Vanilla Android runs superb on only 1GB of ram aswell, the reason you see 2-3GB in the likes of Samsung ect is because of the crap and the useless features they add which all eat up memory.

I have a Samsung Tab S, it has 3GB of ram and it still has lag, due to the amount of Samsung bloat that running in the background.

iOS is a different beast all together, so only having 1GB of ram is no biggy, if you want specs then go Android.

what about apps tho??? you dont know what you miss out on cuz the devs cant make their apps "greater" due to the lack of ram



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Or you could close those tabs and save power.

If you want to multitask, go use a laptop... or one of those terribly designed Android "phones" with 8 cores and 3GB memory and a giant 2800mAh battery that lasts 4 hours because idiots think more is better.

lol ...

why not just turn off gps, lte, 3g, background refresh and siri is well right. some people ... tabs should be the most simple thing if apple wants to provide a "productive" experience
 
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How many people run into RAM issues with their phone? I have no issues with my 5s but my iPad Air is another story. That's what needs more RAM.

I wouldn't mind more tabs, to be honest. I use my phone a lot more than I use my ipad. With the bigger screen it's going to be more true.

OOPS! That's already been mentioned a million times lol.
 
I know everyone is sad about this news, but there's something to be said about 1 GB.

First, it uses less power to keep 1 GB of RAM up than 2 GB or more.
Marginally. Very marginally. RAM neither is nor was a powerhungry thing. Not when considering cpu/gpu, screen, speakers, hell just about everything on the phone. It's probably dead last.
Second, not all operating systems use RAM the same. For instance, there was a point when you could buy a Windows XP laptop with 4 GB of memory, but due to how Windows worked, it could only effectively use 3.5 GB. Just because you throw RAM at something doesn't make it any more efficient if the OS can't handle it.
This is true... but there is no indication that iOS can't handle more than 1GB of RAM especially having gone 64bit.
Third, while more RAM is always nice as a developer... I'm not sure you need that much RAM as long as you are doing things correctly. Android probably needs more RAM because it's not being efficient (Java is a higher-level language that traditionally uses a lot of RAM). I have a pretty complex app that can chew up RAM and crash the app, but it's usually because of very large images or PDF files being used and I'm being sort of lazy with displaying that information.
You absolutely don't need more RAM. However, it is nice to have so that you aren't constantly reloading content. The biggest and most frequent example I have seen and experienced is safari tabs. I am constantly reloading tabs in safari on my iPhone. It's just the way it is. More ram would fix this.

I suspect that Apple will have a 1 GB model reserved for lower-end versions of the phone. Not every user needs tons of power and 1 GB is more than plenty for most users. For power users, I suspect they will add to the 5.5" version. Of course Apple isn't going to be getting into a spec war on this and won't announce how much RAM the phone has. The larger device will have a larger battery and have less of an issue driving the RAM.
Not sure about the 5.5" model getting more, but I agree with most of what was said here. For whatever reason, RAM has never been a reported stat on their iOS devices.

Those are my two cents at least. I don't think it has to do with being greedy, but has more to do with making an affordable option that will last. Apple has a really good track record of supporting devices for a long time. Google with Android device... not so much.
Bringing up Google here is non sequitur. Apple has made decisions for any number of reasons. Their costs to throw in 2GB would be marginal. But they have always charged a premium for additional ram. Look at their desktops and laptops. If I had to guess they are making a compromise between build cost and user experience. If user experience is good enough and they are able to save a buck or two off every unit, why not? over the life of the product thats a couple million in savings (or profit, however you want to look at it). Same goes for onboard storage by the way. 16GB, what is base now was the top end of the original iPhone, which launched SEVEN years ago. Keeping 16GB as the base model has everything to do with higher profit margins, If people are willing to buy it, why not? Let them micro manage their files, pictures, texts, etc. because they will. I am not even going to get into how ridiculous it is to charge $100 for a mere 16GB of additional storage.

I have responded in bold. There are some flaws in your argument(s) IMO.
 
1 GB? Really?

I'm not paying one dollar for a phone that has 1 GB personally.

I doubt this rumor. Apple takes care is its customers. No way Apple would be that cheap and stingy. No way.

ofcourse you'd pay one dollar for iPhone 6 with 1GB ram.
 
I have responded in bold. There are some flaws in your argument(s) IMO.

The 16 GB base thing has been done before with the iPod I think. They will sell a 16 GB, 64 and 128 so people will get tempted to buy the 64 version. What's a 100 dollars more for 3 times more RAM? It's just good marketing.
 
Only 1GB of ram!!!!! oh no what are we to do!!!!!!!!!

Seriously iOS8 doesn't need 2GB of ram to run efficiently, the clue was already there with both the 5 & 5S testing the beta, both these iPhones run iOS8 brilliantly & probably better than the current iOS7.

Apple won't add more memory just for the sake of it,because iOS isn't Android & tbh Vanilla Android runs superb on only 1GB of ram aswell, the reason you see 2-3GB in the likes of Samsung ect is because of the crap and the useless features they add which all eat up memory.

I have a Samsung Tab S, it has 3GB of ram and it still has lag, due to the amount of Samsung bloat that running in the background.

iOS is a different beast all together, so only having 1GB of ram is no biggy, if you want specs then go Android.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-phzMETLTk

Mind you this was a really quick search in google of "ios 8 safari tabs", and it wasn;t even meant to demonstrate my point, rather show a new feature...

Do you see how some of the tabs are reloading? That is a common occurance. The issue most people have isn't that iOS 8 isn't running well. It's that their browser isn't able to keep tabs truly open.

You might argue that this is insignificant because it can just reload them and take mere seconds.

Each and every time the page is reloaded it consumes more data. At the very least, that's a documentable side effect. That aside, when trying to multitask, reloading pages is certainly not fun either.

I understand it doesn't matter to some people. I really do. But to those that use tabbed browsing frequently on their phone, there is a lot left to be desired.
 
iPad Air have 1 GB RAM and oh yeah, safari works but I am tired of watching the tabs reloading every single time you switch. It does not matter if it is a 1kb HTML-only page or ****ing 10 different javascript libraries to be loaded.
 
Not only tabs reloading. You can barely zoom in some webpages without getting a crash (out of memory). Too little available memory is also stalling progress in app/games development.

So really, there is no point in defending Apple about this. Just another year of tragic Apple greed behaviour. Unfortunately, uneducated people will buy this new iPhone in droves. Wonderful.
 
Can someone explain to me why this is so bad? iOS runs flawlessly, and has been this way for all three iPhones that I've had. Why does the iPhone need more RAM if the os is perfectly optimized for 1GB?

Higher resolution screens (on iOS) need more RAM. Additionally, most people intend to keep their iPhones for a few years so they want it to be future proof.

Also, as apps become more complicated, they'll often need more RAM.
 
Cost

IHS teardown Bill Of Materials (BOM) for the iPhone 5 and iPhone 5s

For iPhone 5:
For NAND flash price was ~$10 per 16GB.
16GB model $10 of NAND flash
32GB model $20 of NAND flash
64GB model $40 of NAND flash

For DRAM, 1GB LPDDR2 DRAM was ~$10

https://technology.ihs.com/410378/iphone-5-carries-199-bom-virtual-teardown-reveals

For iPhone 5s:

IHS has the BOM roughly $10 less per handset vs an iPhone 5.
NAND flash price was ~$9 per 16GB
For DRAM, 1GB LPDDR3 DRAM was ~$11


So asking for 2GB of DRAM is asking for the BOM to go up ~$11, roughly 5% of the total BOM, equivalent to more than the material cost of the other contents in the box,more than the entire manufacturing cost, or half the cost of the A8/Camera (Anyone know the Material cost of MDM9625 vs MDM9635?)

https://technology.ihs.com/451425/g...m-and-manufacturing-cost-ihs-teardown-reveals

For that extra $10, they could make the 16GB model a 32GB model instead of giving 2GB DRAM.

Hard tradeoff if they don't budge on BOM/profit margin.
 

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Yes, but when constrained by RAM a good dev will leave out aspects he/she might like to put in due to lack of RAM. This will result in dumbed-down apps, especially games. Want top level games? You have to have hardware that supports them. I don't think anyone's asking for XBox/Playstation level apps but come on, if hardware manufacturers all went with this type of thinking we would still have systems with 4 megs like my first computer.
I don't think half the people in this thread will grasp what you have said above.
If Apple keeps up with this you will not see the same top-level apps in the Apple App Store simply because the hardware won't run them.
Very true.
Either a company moves forward or they are left behind. And frankly as consumers I would have thought that most would actually want more bang for their buck.
This is possibly the most perplexing part of this thread. Why would you rationally argue for stagnation?

I read threads on here all the time about how greedy the carriers are because they throttle unlimited plans, or charge sooooo much for data. But I'm betting some of the exact same posters give Apple a pass. I honestly cannot think of any other commodity where a segment of the consumer are so willing to fork over so much money and only not demand a better product but actually make excuses.

I'm more frustrated with the ripoff pricing of flash in Apples devices. More RAM is certainly something to covet but I'd feel better is I could buy an up market iPad or iPhone without feeling the need to bend over.
 
What?

I'm sorry, but is there someone so blind and ignorant about what is going on, to the point that they would defend Apple's stupid decision in this thread?

I do not want to believe it. As everybody that used a modern iOS device can confirm, Anand, from Anandtech, clearly stated that 1 GB of RAM would be what makes any iOS device sold with the A7 obsolete. The A7, last year.

And now Apple keeps the same amount (even if maybe a faster type) on the next generation of devices? It is a decision that will seriously cripple them, similar to what happened with the iPad 3.

Any phone sold for more than 150 $ has 1 GB of RAM, regardless of the OS. 1 GB was conservative with the iPhone 5. It was a stupid, crippling move on the iPhone 5s, and I have no words for what it would be on the iPhone 6.

Maybe some of you, those that are raped by their carriers every month, do not care because you buy those devices yearly or each 2 years, but the rest of the world isn't like that. I rarely see iPhone 5-like models. People still use the 4 and 4s. This is a very serious problem. But, the 2 bigger problems (together with the 16 GB of basic storage):

- It will stop app innovation and progress on every platform (because iOS is the main platform for devs, so Android will suffer too);
- It shows a dark of side of Apple that makes them a bunch of hypocrites and liars. A side of bean counters, a side of a company that says that they are all about "making the best products possible at the lowest prices we can".

****ing liars. We are not ignorants, here. We know that for a few dollars more, they could make a much better product (2gb of ram, 32 gb of storage) that would improve the experience immensely.
 
How would people feel if an iPhone 6s had 2GB DRAM, but the tabs still reloaded, and the memory restraints on developers were the same?

i.e. if it was Apple policy regardless of DRAM was 1GB or 2GB?

Has there been any formal word on tab reloading? In some cases where the page is not going to change, it's a pain (especially if you don't have signal - you lose the page), but what if you're in signal and the page has updated content - e.g. a front page for a newspaper? By forcing a reload of the page, you get the updated content, any new comments etc.

Is the reload purely due to DRAM contraints?
 
You are completely missing the point!

I'm surprised at how many MR posters still care so much about specs cos as seasoned Apple users, I would've thought they would know by now that better specs does not always equal a better UX.
Better specs, in this case more RAM, expands the capability of the platform and the software that runs on it.
Case in point, my sister's Note and my HTC both have better specs than my iPhone 5S, but you'd never know it cos they feel less responsive and the lag is noticeable. And I've never met an iPhone user who complained about the lack of RAM in his/her device.
This means nothing in this case. Again the discussion has little if anything to do with the competition, it is about realizing the full potential of iOS.
The iPad OTOH... I would agree that more RAM would noticeably improve the UX... better web browsing experience and allow for more sophisticated apps and better looking games which would more than offset the slight decrease in battery life IMO.
Would more RAM not do that in an iPhone?

By the way, I use my iPad way more than my iPhone and have to agree that the situation on iPad is more critical than on iPhone. Given that reality though it still doesn't justify holding iPhone back.
 
Each and every time the page is reloaded it consumes more data. At the very least, that's a documentable side effect. That aside, when trying to multitask, reloading pages is certainly not fun either.
That's not just a ding to your data plan. I guarantee that it costs more energy to run the LTE radio during the reload than it does to run the extra RAM needed to prevent reload.
 
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