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I'm surprised at how many MR posters still care so much about specs cos as seasoned Apple users, I would've thought they would know by now that better specs does not always equal a better UX.

Case in point, my sister's Note and my HTC both have better specs than my iPhone 5S, but you'd never know it cos they feel less responsive and the lag is noticeable. And I've never met an iPhone user who complained about the lack of RAM in his/her device.

The iPad OTOH... I would agree that more RAM would noticeably improve the UX... better web browsing experience and allow for more sophisticated apps and better looking games which would more than offset the slight decrease in battery life IMO.
 
Actually I'm pretty sure you are wrong here. IOS does appear to keep some state information in memory for each app open. Ive "fixed" a number of iPhones for people simply by deleting open apps.

hahaha. oh jeeze. nobody told, you, huh? you dont need to close programs to "speed up" your iphone. thats an absolute myth. the system auto-suspends background apps w/ the exception of music/location processes. your manual closing does absolutely nothing except make you feel better.

but dont take it from me. take it from people who know more than you do:

http://www.speirs.org/blog/2012/1/2/misconceptions-about-ios-multitasking.html

http://daringfireball.net/2012/01/ios_multitasking

So you take their word for it because they blog? Seriously deleting open apps does impact available RAM in iOS. The system needs to know in some manner which are "open". Beyond that read the developer information, the freezing of apps is pretty slick but isn't even guaranteed to happen right away. Beyond that multitasking support means that parts of an App may not get released
 
It's not going to change anything.

Computers have reached an upper limit on resource requirements. That's why CPUs are about the same speed now as they were 10 years ago.

The only difference now is the lower power.

Get used to 1GB for phones. You're going to be seeing it for the next 10 years.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

For the rest of the comment.... here's some more of :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
I'm surprised at how many MR posters still care so much about specs cos as seasoned Apple users, I would've thought they would know by now that better specs does not always equal a better UX.

Case in point, my sister's Note and my HTC both have better specs than my iPhone 5S, but you'd never know it cos they feel less responsive and the lag is noticeable. And I've never met an iPhone user who complained about the lack of RAM in his/her device.

The iPad OTOH... I would agree that more RAM would noticeably improve the UX... better web browsing experience and allow for more sophisticated apps and better looking games which would more than offset the slight decrease in battery life IMO.

There is a difference between CPU/GPU performance (which is top of the line compared to anything out there, even being a year old), touch responsiveness (again iPhone is the best) etc. and amount of RAM. 1GB is not terrible, but with new iPhones certainly getting higher resolutions, I wouldn't want to end up with less RAM compared to the previous models (5s and especially 5), which is almost certainly going to happen if RAM stays at 1 GB.
 
I'm surprised at how many MR posters still care so much about specs cos as seasoned Apple users, I would've thought they would know by now that better specs does not always equal a better UX.

The iPad ... I would agree that more RAM would noticeably improve the UX... better web browsing experience and allow for more sophisticated apps and better looking games which would more than offset the slight decrease in battery life IMO.

So should an iPad user care about specs? You seem to contradict yourself.

Maybe you can make a list, of what we should about and should not care about?
 
IOS 8, the betas atleast, seem to improve memory utilization in many cases. Safari actually seems to be much better at using memory too. Nothing is perfect of course but I suspect many will be pleased with iOS 8.

From my experience, I think the device can handle adequately one OS update and not much more. It would then run into performance issues and frequent crashes. For those of us have the iPhone 5, it came with the iOS 6 and then I updated to iOS 7. With iOS 7, there was more of a RAM hit for sure, but it was ok. However, I expect a lot more sucking of RAM with iOS 8. That's why I said to myself I won't update the iOS than 7.1.3.

Nonetheless, I imagine not everyone has 133 apps on their device like I do so this may not be an issue for those who run very few apps.

As a possible thought, maybe the 4.7 inch iPhone will be the low end model and the upcoming 5.5+ inch model will be the higher end and that's where you definitely would need the extra RAM ro run the larger screen.
The larger machine might come with 4GB to cover all those pixels.
For Apple not to double the RAM two years after introducing the iPhone 5 with 1 GB RAM would simple be baffling. In any event, form most consumers, they won't know about the RAM or care much about it. Their focus will be on whether they should get the 16 32, 64, or 128 GB model.

Yet Apple has screwed around with the 16, 32 & 64 GB line up for how long now. The lack os a real flash upgrade actually baffles me more.
 
Oh no, your browser reloaded? Thats awful! #1stworldproblems

Please, go buy an Android phone with 48 cores and 24GB of RAM. If all of you guys would do this, I wouldn't have to stand in line for hours on launch day! Win-win!

You're funny. So not having enough RAM to run the most-used app on your phone is a pathetic first-world problem that people should stop bitching about, but having to wait in line for a new phone is a very serious problem in the world, and it irks you?
 
Fine by me! Ive never once had a memory issue with any of my iDevices including the iPhone. People who feel the need to have 16 browser tabs and 42 apps all open at the same time on their PHONE are absurd and need to buy a tablet or a laptop.

Incredible. Do you actually use your devices? Safari reloads happen all the time on my iPad Air. Apps lose state all the time on phone and iPad. I can't believe my iPad Air is a step backward from the performance of my old iPad 2 with an earlier IOS. Tim is an idiot if he thinks 1G is enough, especially on a iPad. :mad:

I've purchased every iPad from the first one one except the new iPad Mini Retina (a total of 9 for the family/relatives). I've purchased every generation of iPhone except the 5s. I've purchased 7 macs. I've evangelized Apple to my friends and family. I now find myself considering ignoring the iPhone 6 and buying a Samsung with monster screen, tons of RAM and waterproofing... What a stupid decision Apple has made if this is truly what they are going to ship. If they were worried about power consumption, they should make the battery a bit bigger and the iPhone a bit thicker. God knows why we need such an anorexic looking phone. Form follows function, not the other way around...
 
I don't care what the RAM is. It's a spec number--a marketing point.

I care how well the device performs, and what battery life it gets.

More RAM helps performance (in some cases: reloading stuff into RAM less) but software efficiency to NEED less RAM can achieve the same kinds of benefit.

More RAM hurts battery life (all other things being equal) but software efficiency to NEED less battery can help.

There's a balance: the most efficient OS, tools to make 3rd party apps the most efficient, the least power-hungry hardware, and just the right amount of RAM.

Where is that balance?

I won't pretend to know. But I also won't assume that other phone makers have the ideal balance (they can't even do what Apple can with the OS).

I hope Apple has found a good balance for each device. Only tests will tell us: how well does this device perform? What battery life does it get?

THAT is what matters. Not a number alone.



I'll add my anecdote: my Air has never had a problem keeping all my tabs. More than one or two for sure. (I'll also add that I wouldn't much care if it DID have that limit: I occasionally use tons of tabs to "save something for later" in a lazy/easy way. I don't care if one of those old tabs takes 1 second to refresh when I finally get back to it. The number of tabs I'm actually using NOW, at a given moment, switching back and forth, is more like 2 to 4.)

That said, the iPad has battery to spare, so why not go for more RAM there? I don't object to 1GB on the phone, but I'll support those who complain if the iPad doesn't get more. I'll be surprised if it doesn't.

EDIT: I also can see merit in the future-proofing argument—giving us MORE RAM than most people need could well be a benefit some future day. However:

- You still suffer the reduced battery life now, and forever. There's no free lunch. Less RAM = more battery time. (I'd be curious to know how much, but am led to believe from tech podcasts that it's a significant drain from some phones.)

- Some developers will be "lazy" about USING more RAM (even if not really needed) and then you're right back where you started. It could help them (which isn't all bad) more than it helps you the user.

- If people are comparing Apple RAM to other companies' RAM... then they'd better not bring up future-proofing because Android devices get abandoned before you're done with your 2-year contract! We can say iOS 9 or 10 would probably benefit from some RAM "elbow room." We can't say that your new Android phone will see much benefit from 2 to 3 major releases of Android into the future: you probably won't ever get it!

What a load of crap. Have you ever used an iPad? Even when you have one safari tab open if you open few apps it gets reloaded every time. What if I'm paying for something from my ebank? WTF? There are things you can't optimize ****, but just add more of that god damn ram.
 
So it's not a problem as long as you limit yourself to "one or two" tabs? LOL. Problem solved!

I currently have 33 tabs open on my iPad air and can still open up more tabs.

Funny to see people criticize products they don't even have or use.

Ios 8 beta 5
iPad Air.
 
I currently have 33 tabs open on my iPad air and can still open up more tabs.

Funny to see people criticize products they don't even have or use.

Ios 8 beta 5
iPad Air.

Lol

You seem to missing the point somewhat.
 
I currently have 33 tabs open on my iPad air and can still open up more tabs.

Funny to see people criticize products they don't even have or use.

Ios 8 beta 5
iPad Air.


You miss the point. If you open say...4 to 5 tabs on Chrome, and you start switching between those tabs, you will find that the Chrome is reloading the contents when you click on the tab again. If your phone have enough memory, it shouldn't need to reload anything.

That is one of the MOST annoying "feature" on iphone.

In fact, I am starting to suspect whether if iphone 6 will have enough memory for me to play H265 encoded movie. If iphone 6 only have 1G ram and no higher end model have an option with 2G ram, this is REALLY bad for a techie user.
 
I currently have 33 tabs open on my iPad air and can still open up more tabs.

Funny to see people criticize products they don't even have or use.

Ios 8 beta 5
iPad Air.

But you can't have any forms open in those tabs or soothing because when you go from your current tab so some other tab it will reload it for you since you had so mane open it just keeps a tab visually, but any content due to low ram was gone the moment you opened anew tab next to it and only URL was saved. So basically the only tab stored on an iPad is the one you are viewing and all others jus tabs with urls assigned to them.
 
I currently have 33 tabs open on my iPad air and can still open up more tabs.

Funny to see people criticize products they don't even have or use.

Ios 8 beta 5
iPad Air.

I've also got an Air with iOS 8 beta-5. Still having reloads with more than a few Safari tabs, even after a restart. It's not the number of open tabs that's a problem, it's the number that keep their contents. Been a problem for me with every version of Safari and every version iOS on every version of the iPad (I've owned every iPad model since the original), so I'm not very hopeful that's going to change anytime soon. If Safari was "just another app", it wouldn't bother me as much, but it's a core app and easily my most-used one on iPad. Any problems with Safari, Mail, iBooks, or Netflix are going to be pretty annoying.
 
I'm not convinced that the image shown even indicates that the iPhone 6 will have 1GB of RAM.


From what I see on the image, this is what is printed:
H9CKNNN_KTMR_R

Now, let's compare this against the below:
http://www.skhynix.com/products/mob...nfo.ramKind=33&info.eol=NOT&posMap=MobileDDR3

1) H9CCNNN4GTMLAR (4Gb = 512MB)
2) H9CCNNN8JTALAR (8Gb = 1GB)
3) H9CCNNN8KTALBR (8Gb = 1GB)
4) H9CKNNN8GTMPLR (8Gb = 1GB)
5) H9CCNNNBLTALAR (16Gb = 2GB)
6) H9CCNNNBPTALBR (16Gb = 2GB)
7) H9CKNNNBJTMPLR (16Gb = 2GB)
8) H9CKNNNBKTMRPR (16Gb = 2GB)
9) H9CKNNNBKTMTDR (16Gb = 2GB)
10) H9CKNNNBPTATDR (16Gb = 2GB)
11) H9CKNNNDATMRPR (24Gb = 3GB)
12) H9CKNNNDATMTDR (24Gb = 3GB)

Row's 1-3 and 5-6 can be eliminated since they start as "H9CCNNN..." rather than the 'H9CKNNN...' we are looking for.

So far this leaves the following:

4) H9CKNNN8GTMPLR (8Gb = 1GB)
7) H9CKNNNBJTMPLR (16Gb = 2GB)
8) H9CKNNNBKTMRPR (16Gb = 2GB)
9) H9CKNNNBKTMTDR (16Gb = 2GB)
10) H9CKNNNBPTATDR (16Gb = 2GB)
11) H9CKNNNDATMRPR (24Gb = 3GB)
12) H9CKNNNDATMTDR (24Gb = 3GB)

After the 1st letter in question (8 or is it a B?), the sequence continues with what looks to be "KTM", so let's look at what that leaves us: Lines 7, and 10-12 can be removed as well, so we now have this left:

4) H9CKNNN8GTMPLR (8Gb = 1GB)
8) H9CKNNNBKTMRPR (16Gb = 2GB)
9) H9CKNNNBKTMTDR (16Gb = 2GB)

Looking at the remaining three digits, it looks like R_R (looks like a 'W' in between, but that doesn't match up with anything above), so looking at what we are left with, we just have:

8) H9CKNNNBKTMRPR (16Gb = 2GB)

The above leads me to believe that the iPhone 6 will indeed have 2GB of RAM; and continues the "tradition" of doubling/increasing RAM every form factor change. I don't know why it looks like a 'W' in the pictures, as opposed to a 'P' above, but this is what I have so far.

The above makes sense to me, but let me know if someone sees anything I may have done wrong.

The thing is, if there is anything consistent with those part numbers, it is that an "8" means 1GB, "B" means 2GB, and "D" means 3GB.

Ya, the "KTM" part does match up better with what you listed. No argument there. But the "W" in the picture doesn't match any part number. And that still clearly looks like an "8". And it wouldn't be unheard of for companies to supply Apple with a specific component with its own custom part number that they don't use for any other manufacturers. This company can still keep their own basic naming convention for their part numbers (i.e. 8 = 1GB, B = 2GB) and still have other letters vary slightly from what they list on their website. That would fall in line with them having a different part number for something they supply just to Apple.

I want 2GB RAM as much as the next guy, but it doesn't look like it will have it.
 
I used "face palm" too early -_-

Look up IPC and quantum tunneling. Also, read about transistors and how they get hotter as the node shrinks and number of transitions increases. Oh, and 3D chip manufacturing processes and heterogeneous computing (think OpenCL).

Also, computers don't use resources, OS's do.

After all that, tell your mom to slap you for the last 2 sentences you wrote.

Everything you said is irrelevant to memory demand. That's probably because you're not a computer architect & ASIC designer like I am.

Like I said, get used to 1GB for mobile devices over the next 10 years.

The ability to save power is more important than your ability to do more things at once. Nobody gives a crap about doing more things at once.

Everybody gives a crap about saving power.

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You miss the point. If you open say...4 to 5 tabs on Chrome, and you start switching between those tabs, you will find that the Chrome is reloading the contents when you click on the tab again. If your phone have enough memory, it shouldn't need to reload anything.

That is one of the MOST annoying "feature" on iphone.

In fact, I am starting to suspect whether if iphone 6 will have enough memory for me to play H265 encoded movie. If iphone 6 only have 1G ram and no higher end model have an option with 2G ram, this is REALLY bad for a techie user.

Or you could close those tabs and save power.

If you want to multitask, go use a laptop... or one of those terribly designed Android "phones" with 8 cores and 3GB memory and a giant 2800mAh battery that lasts 4 hours because idiots think more is better.
 
I agree with you here. I can see that happening, to an extent. Although its a much different discussion for the iPhone than for the iPad. I just don't see iPhones being meant as a platform for cutting edge games. The iPad, yes. And a lot of comments I have read here today are from people that have said they are willing to give Apple more of a pass in re the iPhone than they are the iPad. Seems crazy that te iPad would not have more.

Yeah, a lot of the anger is pent up over the iPad. Frankly I'm one of them and I wasn't going to comment since I don't own an iPhone. I can see the possibility of the iPhone 'getting by' on 1gig. But elaborate apps aren't just games. And if a 5.5' comes out that rather changes things. People will most certainly begin to do more with their iPhones.

Up until now Apple has managed with one size iPhone and a really nice tablet that's not much more than an overblown phone. Now there's the mini and looks to be a 'phablet'. I just don't see the current business model being successful into the future. Unless Apple changes their thinking and starts to bump specs to keep up eventually only the most loyal enthusiasts will hang around. 'Just getting by' won't cut it. And in my opinion, developers will be the first to go because they will chafe under the limited RAM restraints.

Oh, and I'm not buying that '99%' of the populace doesn't understand specs or RAM. Far too many people buy computers these days, the general populace understands more than most of us give them credit for. And if they don't, they know enough to ask. I have some real Luddite friends and even they understand specs.

I do own an iPad, I don't own an iPhone, but I do have a rather substantial stock holding so I do have a dog in this hunt. I'm retired, I want APPL to do very well.
 
Excuses checklist. Copy and paste as needed.

1. I’ve never had a problem, and since everyone uses their iPad/iPhone exactly as I do, no one should have a problem.
2. People should replace their iPhones and iPads every year anyway, so whatever RAM future OSes may require is irrelevant.
3. I’ve used Android phones with tons more RAM and the experience was terrible, so clearly more RAM won’t solve anything on my iPhone.
4. iOS is so efficient it actually doesn’t need any RAM.
5. If developers did their job, it wouldn’t be a problem. Because they can call the useLessRam() function and fix that.
6. If you need more RAM, buy a laptop.
7. People aren’t going to stop buying iPhones, so criticizing them in any way is pointless.
 
5S with 1GB fine for me. But iPhone 6 is going to have higher resolution screen, iOS 8/8.1 will bring new features so 1GB RAM...hmmm...ok...good luck Apple.
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