A9X Die Photo From iPad Pro Reveals 12-Cluster Graphics, No L3 Cache

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    Financial news website The Motley Fool has shared details of the A9X die featured in the new Apple iPad Pro, thanks to analysis from electronics teardown firm Chipworks. The photo reveals the A9X's dual-core CPU and a 12-cluster GPU to drive the device's massive display.

    While the CPU core count observed in the A9X matches that of the A9 from the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus, the 12-cluster GPU is twice as powerful as the six-cluster GPU found in the A9 design. Otherwise, the core and cluster designs appear to be identical to those found in the A9 die shots.

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    Dual-core CPU boxed in green, six dual-cluster GPU regions boxed in blue

    Chipworks confirms that the die shown in the photo is fabricated by TSMC, and it does indeed show similarities with the existing A9 TSMC die already pictured by Chipworks.

    The Motley Fool also points out that the 8 MB third level cache featured on the A9 to help manage data flow to and from memory is not present on the A9X die, suggesting that the absence of this cache is due to the increased memory bandwidth that the A9X enjoys by having a memory interface twice the width of the A9 die. Indeed, in the included die shot, an expansive DRAM memory interface can be observed across three sides of the die.

    It is also worth mentioning that while the display resolution is much greater than on other iPads, the iPad Pro does not feature the 12-megapixel camera of the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus that would place additional demands on the memory hierarchy for real-time image processing.

    The presence of only two CPU cores is also interesting, given that the A8X featured in the iPad Air 2 had three CPU cores. The iPad Pro can make up any resultant performance deficiencies through a combination of higher efficiency, thanks to the new architecture, as well as the large clock speed boost compared to the A8 designs.

    Even with the absence of L3 cache and only two CPU cores, the A9X measures 147 square millimeters. This is just 18 square millimeters shy of Apple's largest chip design ever, the A5X featured in the first iPad with retina display. Unsurprisingly, the A5X was quickly phased out and replaced by the smaller A6X seen in the fourth-generation iPad. The A9X's 147 mm^2 die is also larger than the latest quad-core Skylake design from Intel, which comes in at 122 mm^2 on its 14nm FinFET process.

    While it may simply be a perfect mixture of die space saving and adequate memory bandwidth for the A9X design, the lack of the third level SRAM cache may tip future design decisions should memory bandwidth improve substantially. 3D IC packaging designs are rapidly approaching mainstream consumer electronics, and they boast a variety of memory configurations, which stand to significantly improve memory bandwidth while also providing lower power dissipation. As we covered recently, packaging technologies enabling these high bandwidth memories may arrive as soon as Apple's A10 SoC for devices next year.

    Article Link: A9X Die Photo From iPad Pro Reveals 12-Cluster Graphics, No L3 Cache
     
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    True, however still nice to see on MR from time to time. It's an interesting design leaving out the L3. Definitely a Graphics Dedicated design. Apple's Team in Orlando have been quite busy. :apple:
     
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    Wonder how the system will stand the test of time? It sounds more like a minimalist approach as opposed to making it the robust / future proof product once would expect at the pro level.

    That said, not sure that I should judge the system harshly, now that I know what is behind the curtain. I honestly feel the pro is a quick machine, though, I haven't really had a chance to put it to the test myself.
     
  5. Pelea macrumors 6502

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    very impressive, the a9 is now 50% thinner in terms of cores, down from 3 to 2. hopefully it'll be 2x as thin next year with the ipad pro 2 :)
     
  6. Lapidus macrumors regular

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    Exactly what I was thinking when I saw this board at first.
     
  7. diamond.g macrumors 603

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    L3 cache is usually SRAM right? Is the LPDDR4 really as fast as SRAM?
     
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    Will we be seeing an A10X in the new MacBook???
     
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    It's believed that the 8MB cach is sitting on top, in the package, rather than on die.
     
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    Whatever happens, I hope they don't leave it without Thunderbolt 3, but then again they've appeared to show their hand already haven't they!!!
     
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    Unlikely, no hints in OS X for it as of yet. Plus I'm not sure if ARMs run x86 instruction code which would mean that you won't be able to run any current applications. And BootCamp support would be a thing of the past.

    The need to change processors isn't as important as it was in the waning PPC days, because Apple could've gone with either AMD or Intel. Plus staying with Intel means everybody has the same disadvantage - if Intel don't release any new chips, it's not just Apple who suffer, it's the whole industry.

    I'd love to see Apple make their own chips but the performance deficit through emulation would just be too high, and BootCamp support is very important.
     
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    The educational system at its BEST! o_O
     
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    Can iOS 10 please give us multi user/guest user ability amongst other many needed features eg. iTunes syncing/administration and iCloud user account improvements/merging abilties etc. because as cool as continued hardware improvements are, the software and user experience is most important
     
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    iOSX ?
     
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    ...and the Florida team is doing great work.
     
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    Lol, nice baiting... :D
    OS X needs real man CPUs due to its bloat.. not this mobile stuff.
     
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    Ohhhh snap did not notice that! o_O
    Lol maybe, just maybe Apple is planning something huge!?!?
     
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    I wonder why the A8X went triple core? Was this Apple acknowledging that the A8 wasn't a very big leap forward? The dual core A9 absolutely destroys the triple core A8X in multicore benchmarks which to me hammers home just how 'underperforming' the A8 design was. Imagine what a triple core A9X could do!
     
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    That does make sense, as cache is usually many times faster than RAM.
     
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    Could be any number of reasons, Anandtech touch on it in their preview:

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/9780/taking-notes-with-ipad-pro/2
     
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    I love seeing this sort of thing, its amazing to see how far technology has progressed
     
  22. szw-mapple fan macrumors 65816

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    You do realize that the A9X outperforms the Core M in MacBooks (according to benchmarks) in many areas?
     
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    You do know benchmarks are not equal and somethings will run some test tools better than others, but that doesn't mean it's better or worse - it's a synthetic test!!!
     
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    Generally speaking, the Core M chips run at nearly half the clock speed of the A9X (sustained load). That it can keep up at all is telling.
     

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