To refresh your memory: I was at work, and the thread was closed before I even got a change to defend myself. I was just wondering if anyone thought about the fact that maybe I got the Leopard beta from someone else like - MY DAD? He has been using a Mac since the 518K in 1984. Isn't there a possibility that I am not the ADC member, but my dad, who is not available for me to ask him this question, is? I guess I was mistaken in thinking that everyone in this forum would be so quick to jump to accusing me of pirating software, if I don't prove to them first, that I got the software legit in the first place. I guess I was wrong in thinking that this was a good place to ask a simple question I thought a majority of you could, and would be happy, and willing to help me with. Lets not jump so quick to piracy, I read the forum rules just like everyone else here, so why would I come to your site with my questions, if I knew that I would be pointed out as a pirate. Thank you to the people like n-abounds, brsboarder, skye12,and MacDonaldsd, who defended me, and didn't label me. And to Peace and Robbieduncan, i understand you are just trying to make sure the rules are not violated, so I am not mad.