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I'm not arguing its a solution, but all I am pointing out is that many of the folks who buy that type of a machine are unhappy with Apple's direction. I think we can get bogged down on what's better (internal vs. external) which happens quite often in the Mac Pro forum, but my point was the choices that Apple made were counter to what people wanted and that in of itself had effected sales.

There is no doubt that you have a point there, but then again, is there any data to back up what you claim? Sure, some people on the forums complain. But I do not think that you can project these complains onto the entire customer base. It has often been pointed out that people are more likely to raise their voice if they are unhappy about something. There are certainly people who are less happy with the new Mac Pro. There are also people who are very happy with the new Mac Pro (for instance, we have bought 5 of them and we MUCH prefer them to the old box). In the end, if you want to talk about sales performance, you need to have some sales indicators (direct or indirect) to go by.
 
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External storage, many people prefer internal storage. The gist of the problems people have been posting is that there's no drive bay.

That is just a change in the way you use and set up a computer. A raid system with hot swappable drives is a much easier to use and more customisable system and with multiple HDD's being faster for mechanical cheap storage.

Just as cloud storage has changed the way we use mobile devices, SSD costs and benefits have changed the way we set up desktops

Again it's people either dissing because apple didn't make what they want, or people being unwilling to change despite the fact taht as leman pointed out above that change may well be for the better.
 
Have you ever though that what you want is different from what most users want?
Yes lol, I have and that is probably very true. I just miss the Mac's that I used to be able to upgrade. I used to be a proud Mac gamer back in the day with my high powered graphics cards that you could still install. Being able to buy a Mac and upgrade it over a few years really put more life into these computers, and was easier on the wallet. I'm really kind of a power user and don't really feel that "Pro" really means Pro anymore, its just a word they attach to their more expensive units. But yes, I probably do want something different from most people want or need :)
 
Yes, this is one of the examples of what people want vs. what they actually need. Eternal storage is more flexible, more reliable and offers same (or better) performance. The only downside is a slightly higher price.
More flexible: yes, in most cases.
More reliable: Not necessarily. Even if your external storage is well ventilated (which usually makes it price more than just "slightly" higher), the risk of storage falling down or a cable being ripped out during data transfer is definitely higher.
Same or better performance: When going for Thunderbolt, it's significantly more expensive compared to an internal solution. When going for USB3, reliability is more questionable for sure.
Not to mention the aesthetical point of having a rat's nest of cables with local external storage or the additional footprint.

While I don't completely refuse external storage, I would say there are quite some downsides to that solution, which need to be considered carefully. As always, it's not as black or white as it might look at first glance.
 
More flexible: yes, in most cases.
More reliable: Not necessarily. Even if your external storage is well ventilated (which usually makes it price more than just "slightly" higher), the risk of storage falling down or a cable being ripped out during data transfer is definitely higher.
Same or better performance: When going for Thunderbolt, it's significantly more expensive compared to an internal solution. When going for USB3, reliability is more questionable for sure.
Not to mention the aesthetical point of having a rat's nest of cables with local external storage or the additional footprint.

While I don't completely refuse external storage, I would say there are quite some downsides to that solution, which need to be considered carefully. As always, it's not as black or white as it might look at first glance.

Lets be honest if a cable gets ripped out of a desktop while transferring files thats your own fault (this discussion was started about the merits of the new mac pro so you know this isn't about laptops at all).

Thunderbolt Raid systems are far more secure with multiple back ups and gereat encryption not to mention faster than internal storage with HDD's. It is much more expensive but this is a solution for a computer designed for professional use that can cost £10000 if you have all your business on there then spending money on storage is a given. As is having multiple backups both on and off site.

Thunderbolt means one cable to all of your drives hardly a rats nest.

I agree with some of your comments if talking about a laptop or standard desktop for a consumer user but when it comes to a mac pro for business use, external storage is far better.
 
More flexible: yes, in most cases.
More reliable: Not necessarily. Even if your external storage is well ventilated (which usually makes it price more than just "slightly" higher), the risk of storage falling down or a cable being ripped out during data transfer is definitely higher.
Same or better performance: When going for Thunderbolt, it's significantly more expensive compared to an internal solution. When going for USB3, reliability is more questionable for sure.
Not to mention the aesthetical point of having a rat's nest of cables with local external storage or the additional footprint.

While I don't completely refuse external storage, I would say there are quite some downsides to that solution, which need to be considered carefully. As always, it's not as black or white as it might look at first glance.

um, what? it's your job to place your drives so they don't fall (not difficult), or run your cables so they can't be pulled out (also easy). usb3 is great, fast. and bundle your cables (i use black garbage ties) if you're worried about aesthetics.
 
I hate to be the downer with this, but I am not looing forward to any redesign for the MacBook line. Apple is pushing innovation so much that it is no longer taking into consideration what people actually want or need. I really hope it is amazing but I have a feeling it will be a pretty package with out the things we really need/want.
I think you got that word wrong. Had you said thinness, you would have been spot on.
 
Everybody's recent purchases will soon be outdated, but still perfectly functional, and that will apply if you buy in 2017, or 2018, or whenever.

I don't visit forums to trade insults.

Sorry, you're right, I went a little overboard with my comment.
 
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