Actual Storage Capacity of 64GB SE Should be What

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  1. rjcchan macrumors member

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    Got my new 64GB SE today. It says the device capacity is 55GB. Can the system really take so much space?
     
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    64GB will actually be 59.6GB in technical terms (for any storage), and then 4GB for iOS.
     
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  5. ross1998 macrumors 6502a

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    It's not only the system, it's also the memory formatting that took about 5gb, just like with any flash drive or storage drive, you never get the full capacity.
     
  6. rjcchan thread starter macrumors member

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    I was expecting about 4-5GB not 9GB for system etc. If the system size is the same on the 16GB then I am really really happy about opting for the 64.
     
  7. ftaok macrumors 601

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    It's not really accurate to call the 5GB loss as a result of "formatting". It's really a 5GB loss due to marketing. And they all do it, not just Apple.

    The conversion from real GB to marketing GB is 93%
     
  8. JackieInCo macrumors 601

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    It's the same way when ISPs market speeds. They advertise it as Mbps instead of MBPS. Why? Because it seems faster.

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    A 465 GiB drive doesn't sound as appealing as a 500GB drive so they advertise it as a 500GB drive so it looks like you are getting more space. It's just marketing.
     
  9. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    Yup, a good amount of it all has to do with GiB vs GB, so there's never actually as much actual space as what's advertised to begin with.
     
  10. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere

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    You're still not getting it.
    9GB is not taken up by the "system".
    Same reason when you buy a 1TB hard drive but it shows 931GB available.
    Read this below and educate yourself about the topic.

    http://compreviews.about.com/od/storage/a/ActualHDSizes.htm


    "This space is not “lost”. Drive manufacturers report drive sizes using base 10 math while computer operating systems tend to report these sizes using base 2 math. The advantage of using base 2 math means that the code is somewhat simpler and it will run faster. The DIV instruction to carry out the base 10 math will end up executing at least 4 times longer than doing SHR instructions for the base 2 math (minimum of 41 cycles as opposed to a maximum of 10). If there are cache misses, NAN errors, etc., the number of clock cycles for the DIV instruction can result in 100 cycles or more being added to the time required to perform the operation. This does not take into account the possibility that more registers may need to be preserved (stored elsewhere) for the DIV instruction than the SHR instruction and recovered afterwards increasing the execution time even more. Because of all of this, instead of dividing by factors of 1000 (or shifting 3 decimal positions) we are shifting 10 binary positions effectively dividing by factors of 1024. The end result is that a hard drive labeled by the manufacturer as being 1TB will be reported by most operating systems as 931GiB."
     
  11. ftaok macrumors 601

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    That's what I said. The 93% "drop" is not due to formatting, it's due to marketing.
     
  12. Paddle1 macrumors 68030

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    FYI the "system size" is smaller on smaller capacities and larger on larger ones.
     
  13. stel2132 macrumors newbie

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    If the 64gb ends up being 55, then what does the 16gb end up being... 12gb?
     
  14. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    More or less around there.
     
  15. Paddle1 macrumors 68030

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    Yep, somewhere around there, though updates can sometimes affect the amount of usable space.
     
  16. Channan macrumors 68030

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    Apple lists GB for storage but the OS measures in GiB.

    Your SE has 64,000,000,000 bytes, which is 64GB or 59.6GiB.
     
  17. The Game 161 macrumors G5

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    well you get 113 out of 128GB

    which i only have 35GB left
     
  18. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    Not just Apple, as has been pointed out before, it's been throughout the whole industry for a long time, even before smartphones and all that.
     
  19. Channan macrumors 68030

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    Well OP was specifically talking about the iPhone, which is why I only mentioned Apple.
     
  20. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    Which can make it sound like Apple is doing soemething untoward and/or are the only ones doing it like that for some reason, rather than it all simply being an established and accepted way of going about it all by pretty much everyone in the industry, which is what my comment expanded on essentially.
     
  21. Channan macrumors 68030

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    I wasn't trying to make it seem like Apple is trying to deceive people or that they're doing something no one else is. I simply stated that Apple lists the storage in GB, while the OS measures in GiB.

    The OS is what displays your storage incorrectly. Your 64GB iPhone has 64GB of storage. When you see 55.7GB of available storage, that's actually 55.7GiB, or ~59.8GB, with the OS taking up the remaining ~4.2GB.
     
  22. se1000 macrumors 6502

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    16,000,000,000 / (1024*1024*1024) = 14.9GB

    14.9GB - 5.58 = 10.32GB free
     
  23. macsrcool1234 macrumors 65816

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    Continuing to sell the 16 gb at this point is just criminal
     
  24. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    I didn't really mean it in the sense that's that's what you were trying to say, just that it could be read that way given how it was phrased.
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    Don't think it all takes up 5.58. From what I recall most people reposted having something in the 11.xx GB range free (closer to 12 GB basically).
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    For plenty typical users even 10 GB is probably twice as much as they would generally use up. (Not that I think that the base shouldn't be more.)
     
  25. macsrcool1234 macrumors 65816

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    I don't know. Emails, photos and messages will eat up space, thats before even considering music and/or apps. My messages alone are like 3 gb (although they go all the way back to 2009).
     

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