I had both, and the 11 pro max's battery last way longer. Even multiple youtube video confirms this as well.
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Additional Benchmarks Reveal A15 Bionic Performance Improvements in iPhone 13 and iPhone 13 Pro
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I had both, and the 11 pro max's battery last way longer. Even multiple youtube video confirms this as well.
No, he is right. it is non-Pro model having one GPU core disabled. It is pretty common practice in the chip industry to maximize yield. LIke how AMD 5900x are 5950x with disabled cores.
Just imagine if they put M1 on this phone. Definitely will buy but I will pass the A15 bionic.
Edit: Thanks to the people that corrected me. I always thought M1 is the best.
Edit: Thanks to the people that corrected me. I always thought M1 is the best.
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Is 10% increase noticeable?. Is this the beginning of mini performance increases every year?. At this rate it will take more than 6 years to duplicate the current chips performance. Is good, more reasons to not spend money every year on a new phone.
But this makes me wonder about many features that have not included in older devices because they supposedly don’t have enough performance. For example, what is the excuse for not supporting cinematic video on iPhone 12?, 10% less cpu?, really?. Many other features are supported with that 10% extra CPU power?. Multi core slight improvements make cinematic video possible?. Mmmmhhh, I think we can have those features on iPhone 11 and 12. Maybe a little lower res but definitely could be supported if Apple did not restrict the new great features to the new phone every year and capped the older models. I need a class action!
But this makes me wonder about many features that have not included in older devices because they supposedly don’t have enough performance. For example, what is the excuse for not supporting cinematic video on iPhone 12?, 10% less cpu?, really?. Many other features are supported with that 10% extra CPU power?. Multi core slight improvements make cinematic video possible?. Mmmmhhh, I think we can have those features on iPhone 11 and 12. Maybe a little lower res but definitely could be supported if Apple did not restrict the new great features to the new phone every year and capped the older models. I need a class action!
The single core score is almost triple what my Mac Pro gets, and the multi core is almost on par with my Mac Pro.
Considering I've tried to bog this computer down and haven't yet succeeded, that's really impressive for a PHONE.
(Yes I know thermals play a big role too.)
Considering I've tried to bog this computer down and haven't yet succeeded, that's really impressive for a PHONE.
(Yes I know thermals play a big role too.)
Wow, are these real numbers? Not even close to the iPhone — that is embarrassing for Google.
Nop. It is common practice in the industry to sell chips that did not pass quality controls or are made in less modern lines instead of growing away the batch, for a little less money, when in fact those are the “lower” quality chips. That is a foundry industry real practice. Check it. No need to defend Apple. I keep buying almost everything they make, so, no hate, just business.
Who cares. Bring out the M1X/M2 please.
As great the A chips are, they are still thermally limited on iPhones. The real excitement is in Macs since the thermal ceiling is much higher.
As great the A chips are, they are still thermally limited on iPhones. The real excitement is in Macs since the thermal ceiling is much higher.
The baseline A15 is still a more powerful chip than the A14. The Pro models have further requirements that the non-pro models don’t, thanks to ProMotion. the A15 in the Pro models have an extra graphics core which probably goes some way to help there. Failures of individual cores to meet tight specifications and QA in multicore architecture drives up the cost of chips for everyone, so Apple is probably binning an extra graphics core on the A15 chips that go into the regular 13 and iPad Mini, to improve yields and drive down costs for everyone.
So a slightly modest 15% gain in CPU.
Modest is the theme with iPhone 13. iPhone 12 was a great time to upgrade.
Modest is the theme with iPhone 13. iPhone 12 was a great time to upgrade.
The additional core already cost more money for the pro model. You can only maximize your yield if you spend the same amount for the same chip and deliver an inferior non-pro model without offering any discounts to the end user. That is not the case here.
It’s pretty impressive in term of performance per watt ratio not pure performance.
I never said it is "crippled", and it won't affect the performance on non-pro model no more than it is intended (like 4 vs 5 core GPU performance). In fact, sometimes they disabled the cores on a perfectly good working chip just to meet the quality needed. They are all good working chips.
The A15 is a generation ahead of M1…
Can anyone confirm that the A15's NEON got a Perf Boost ?
Heard that on another site.
For those who don't know, NEON is the A15's vector co-processor.
It's used a lot in Image Processing.
Heard that on another site.
For those who don't know, NEON is the A15's vector co-processor.
It's used a lot in Image Processing.
NO, I don't think so.
The CPU core in the A15 is very similar to the CPU core in the A14, from which the M1 is derived.
I understand what you are saying but techical aspects are different than financial aspects. If you have to spend more on a component of a device that you won’t be increasing the price tag of, disabling the core for a lower model ensures the cost staying the same. There isn’t any savings Apple is pocketing while the customer paying the same price tag.
Imagine this: The super market down the street charges $20 for a bottle of wine. The super market in another town charges $15. If you had to spend $5 on gas to buy the $15 wine, your cost will still be the same ($20). You are not saving any money by buying it cheaper in another town.
Similar as-in 15% faster than the previous generation…
The M1 processor is clocked higher than the mobile A14 to get more performance . The point being you shouldn’t want an M1 in a phone, this is in fact better.
So it seems! The A15 clocks the same as the M1 and gets the same single-core geek bench score. Curious to see whether A16 and M2 will have a similarly shared core architecture (and whether it’ll be an updated architecture rather than a more energy-efficient process and a larger cache as it seems to be the case for the A14-to-A15 transition.
You have a narrow concentration on how much it costs Apple to deliver the end product every year. Keep in mind each iPhone model has a different price tag. Excluding features is a way to make sure the it is sustainable for Apple. Every year devices get better and better but Apple keeps the price tag the same. Logistics cost alone is 53% higher than last year. None of these are reflected on the customer. Consider the overall cost to Apple vs what they charge the customer. Cost is variable to Apple. It differs every year.
The single-core geekbench scores of the A14 and A15 scale almost exactly with the clock speed, only the multi core score of the A15 is higher than that, which could be a combination of larger main cache and the higher memory speed (LPDDR5?): https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/9850595?baseline=9854826
Essentially it looks like the A14, A15 and M1 processor’s core architecture is identical, based on their identical per-clock geekbench single-core scores. The longer runtimes of the iPhone 13 family despite the more powerful GPU, DSP and ML processor are probably a result of the new TSMC process combined with careful overhaul of what is a pretty awesome processor core that debuted in the A14 processor. While Apple lost some of the big name chip architects, they must have a ton more who do all the grunt work, and since the A15 is more of a resource-saving small overhaul, all those other engineers have likely worked on the next major overhaul of Apple’s core architecture as well as its use in Apple’s upcoming mobile and desktop processors. Can’t wait to see what they achieved, later this year or early next year when the new Mac processors will come out!
Essentially it looks like the A14, A15 and M1 processor’s core architecture is identical, based on their identical per-clock geekbench single-core scores. The longer runtimes of the iPhone 13 family despite the more powerful GPU, DSP and ML processor are probably a result of the new TSMC process combined with careful overhaul of what is a pretty awesome processor core that debuted in the A14 processor. While Apple lost some of the big name chip architects, they must have a ton more who do all the grunt work, and since the A15 is more of a resource-saving small overhaul, all those other engineers have likely worked on the next major overhaul of Apple’s core architecture as well as its use in Apple’s upcoming mobile and desktop processors. Can’t wait to see what they achieved, later this year or early next year when the new Mac processors will come out!
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