Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Actually, I think the Samsung S4 will look completely different again. Samsung has a different (or no at all) design philosophy.

Apple thinks design should be as reduced as possible, this implies a hypothetical perfect design that has no redundant parts at all. So the designs of the iPhone "converge" in some way and will change less from iteration to iteration until – again hypothetically – the perfect design is reached. If they would just forcefully change the whole design concept they would either admit they were completely wrong before or that they have no idea what they're doing.

Samsung however understood that most people are not seriously interested in any design philosophy. Well people like to hear that there is a philosophy behind it, but they don't actually care. What they really want is something new and shiny. And if a new iteration of a popular phone series doesn't look different, people won't buy as they think its uninnovative (just look at the people here).

Personally, I would have been pretty disappointed if Apple had changed the design just for the sake of it. This tells me they might have a plan in some way and are not still just guessing wildly.

Well said. Look at Porsche slightly altering their iconic design that is decades old but is frequently praised for its engineering and brand evolution.
 
No, thanks for pointing that out. We totally missed that.


Thanks, I almost choked on my coffee...


:D

Johnathan Ive is the greatest product designer of our time. He knows what he's doing.

What does that hack Ives know? Obviously, dorks sitting in cubicles wearing short sleeve shirts and ties know _way_ more about design :D

Actually, I think the Samsung S4 will look completely different again. Samsung has a different (or no at all) design philosophy.

I think since the design approach for Android devices seems to be bigger-is-better, it'll be over 5" ...

Well said. Look at Porsche slightly altering their iconic design that is decades old but is frequently praised for its engineering and brand evolution.

Exactly, wrote, but didn't post this yesterday:

The new 911 came out (991 platform), it carries many of the same design elements as the 997, the 996, the 993 [etc], but it's slightly quicker, faster, has slight incremental improvements across the board. Porsche knows the general design is iconic, and even with the odd engineering quirks (rear engine), it's part of the character. The 911 won't ever seat 7 or have a front mounted V8 :)
 
Last edited:
Did anyone notice how the shadow of the 12 appears to form a "5" in the iPhone announcement graphic? Seems to suggest that the phone is using a modified A5 or an A5X processor instead of the A6.

or that that the new iPhone will be called iPhone 5. This seems more likely to me.

----------

While I know that's not the case, I wish it were true. This new iPhone is heinous! :(

Well, I bet it will look better once you get it in your hand.

I like the design being a variation of what will become the classic iPhone look.

Brand marketing is a good thing. You know a porche now matter what model it is based on its classic design dispite the sutble changes from time to time.
 
Exactly, wrote, but didn't post this yesterday:

The new 911 came out (991 platform), it carries many of the same design elements as the 997, the 996, the 993 [etc], but it's slightly quicker, faster, has slight incremental improvements across the board. Porsche knows the general design is iconic, and even with the odd engineering quirks (rear engine), it's part of the character. The 911 won't ever seat 7 or have a front mounted V8 :)

This isn't an accurate comparison. The iPhone is not a niche product with 100-150k units sold a year. It is a mainstream, consumer product. I'm sorry but you're comparing apples to oranges here.
 
I'm starting to think the leaks might be accurate

They might be.

But some blog saying they have 'confirmed' with 'reliable' sources doesn't equal that it is confirmed. Only Apple can really do that. Which makes me wish these blogs would stop being such blatant hit whores and admit even in the headlines that they are still basically talking rumors
 

fake. the iphone will release with iOS 6 and that is what will be on the box. and yet there's no passbook app on that screen and there is the youtube app that is not appearing native with iOS 6 due to the end of the licensing agreement (confirmed by Apple and Google)

----------

I don't see it as a big deal. My friends with NFC capable Android phones don't even bother to use it and they were excited about it beforehand. Half the stores that have contact less debit card machines don't even work. It's disappointing (Best Buy, 7-11, CVS, Target)

as a Metro pass holder I wouldn't mind if the iphone had NFC that I could use with my pass. but it's not a game changer for me given that it's just as easy to do what I do now and keep the card in my iphone case do I can still tap it as I walk by

----------

What does that hack Ives know? Obviously, dorks sitting in cubicles wearing short sleeve shirts and ties know _way_ more about design :D

hmm what does Ive know

1. he knows that bald can be very very sexy
2. short sleeve shirts and neck ties are so 1980s
3. Chicks (and gay guys) dig a guy with a British accent
4. How to get a knighthood
5. How to make a product that sells literally millions, that other copies look to for design guideline (aka copy the **** out of it), etc

#3 is of course the most important of the things on the list. :D:D
 
I'll surely be buying the new iPhone, enhanced internals and all that aside but, frankly, it is disheartening to find more and more confirmation that we are stuck for another whole year with a design dating two generations now. Visions of Blackberry burnout. That would be the worst possible outcome for fans of the iPhone.

Yea it sucks that we are stuck with cars that primarily have 4 wheels too.

----------

They might be.

But some blog saying they have 'confirmed' with 'reliable' sources doesn't equal that it is confirmed. Only Apple can really do that. Which makes me wish these blogs would stop being such blatant hit whores and admit even in the headlines that they are still basically talking rumors

This site is called Macrumors afterall
 
This isn't an accurate comparison. The iPhone is not a niche product with 100-150k units sold a year. It is a mainstream, consumer product. I'm sorry but you're comparing apples to oranges here.

Maybe. They are different products from different markets, but the same rules apply in the pursuit of design.

If you look back at the radical evolutions of Apple products they only came about when there was a new technological differential that allowed them to reassess the product and redesign it from a fresh perspective (think iMac with CRT to flat screen or iPod with HDD to flash memory to touch input). The similarity is that both designers (Porsche and Apple) are focusing on a path of evolution not unnecessary revolution, and seemingly are not tempted to dramatically alter the design purely to differentiate from last year's model.

Surely that's the pursuit of intelligent design and not design for design's sake.
 
Last edited:
It will not be two-tone! like these crap mockups and prototypes show!

it will have a more tapered backside, similar to ipad. with a REAL unibody.

I'll bet you 1000 yen.
 
Did anyone notice how the shadow of the 12 appears to form a "5" in the iPhone announcement graphic? Seems to suggest that the phone is using a modified A5 or an A5X processor instead of the A6.

It could also portend a marketing campaign featuring the Jackson 5. Using the iPhone 5 is simple with iOS 6 and Siri: "ABC. It's easy as 1-2-3. As simple as do-re-me, ABC, 1-2-3, baby you and me girl!"

And maybe Apple could do a deal with ABC (the American Broadcasting Company) on an all-Apple-executive "Dancing With The Stars." It would tie in perfectly with the Jackson 5 theme and the song "ABC."

----------

It will not be two-tone! like these crap mockups and prototypes show!

it will have a more tapered backside, similar to ipad. with a REAL unibody.

I'll bet you 1000 yen.

I'll bet you 50,000 Indonesian Rupiahs that it IS two-toned.
I just happen to have a 50K Rupiah note from a trip to Bali and Sumatra.

(Exchange rate: 9000 IDR = 1 USD.)
 
With all of these "sources" stating that this is the real iPhone 5, it does make me wonder if Apple purposely leaked these mock-ups or dummy models or whatever you want to call it just to fool us only to reveal the real iPhone 5.
 
iPhone 5 confirmation leaks

What a shame. It will be true that the phone is a look-a-like to the old iPhone 4 and 4S. Horrible to imagine and comprehend.:(:confused:

[url=http://cdn.macrumors.com/im/macrumorsthreadlogodarkd.png]Image[/url]


Image


Diagram by TheTechBlock / Don Lehman, Photo by iLab.cc
In case there was some continuing doubt, iMore reports that all the circulating iPhone part leaks are accurate and will be what the new iPhone will look like on September 12th:iMore cites "reliable" sources for the confirmation. The confirmation is notable in that iMore was the first to report on the September 12th announcement date for the new iPhone. That media event date was confirmed by Apple today.

Article Link: Additional Confirmation that Taller iPhone 5 'Leaks Accurate'
 
Just for fun:

Why?*

Why do you need a new adaptor for old dock connectors as reported? Won't the new phone come with a charger?

Why is the connector smaller in the 1st place? Why bother with so much more room in the new shell?

Everything is Wireless now except charging, right? The adaptor won't fit in existing dock-style accessories, so what's the point of an adaptor? Save your old car charger? Really? How can Apple predict they'll sell so many adaptors, as reported, which so few really should need? Why buy an adaptor unless you plan to use an old charger in addition to the charger that comes with the new Device? Only if you want two or more chargers, right?

Two seemingly unrelated questions: why is the phone so much larger than the extra screen size requires? Why did Nokia botch their announcement going early before they had a release date?

Guess what, all these questions are answered by one simple feature:

The iPhone 5 will be a 100% wireless Device with wireless charging.

The smaller dock is for service and recovery access; no cable included in box.
 
I really hope that the amount of leaks for this model only means they are manufacturing huge stock which they can not contain. Having the surprised spoiled already, the worst thing that could follow is to have to wait for a few months to be able to get one.

----------



I really hope it does have more than that.

of course it will. I was just mentioning the differences between the 4 and 4S, which is already there - plus whatever new things there are.
 
The data says otherwise. NFC transactions are much more secure than card swipe transactions according to all the major credit card companies.

They say the same thing about the RFID chips they've been using. NFC is like RFID - all the "security" is dependent on all communicating components staying within the spec. And, as we've seen with RFID, it's a fatally flawed assumption.

Read some of the material from this year's Black Hat and Defcon get-togethers (for example, Google "nexus nfc vulnerability" without the quotes). And note that Google is telling Nexus owners to leave NFC turned off.
 
Last edited:
It may not be crossed out at all..

Apple has patents that allow them to use NFC within metal, and inside an LCD screen. One or both of these patents could be implemented inside the new iPhone 5.

Yeah but we've seen the logic board and there isn't an NFC controller chip in there so no NFC.

----------

While I know that's not the case, I wish it were true. This new iPhone is heinous! :(

I completely agree, this is awful. I'm so bored with the phone and the OS. This is the first time since the first iPhone where I'm not excited and I'm just completely underwhelmed and a bit peeved at the new phone launch. I've been an iPhone user since the $500 non-subsidized iPhone and they have stalled out and given loyal customers nothing new and exciting. :-(

----------

hate to say it but the galaxy S III looks better :mad:

Agreed :-(
 
Yeah but we've seen the logic board and there isn't an NFC controller chip in there so no NFC.

----------



I completely agree, this is awful. I'm so bored with the phone and the OS. This is the first time since the first iPhone where I'm not excited and I'm just completely underwhelmed and a bit peeved at the new phone launch. I've been an iPhone user since the $500 non-subsidized iPhone and they have stalled out and given loyal customers nothing new and exciting. :-(

----------



Agreed :-(
haha the galaxy S3 better design?? Lol!

I'm not trying to be arrogant but this statement is just funny because even Samsung's design team admitted that they are no match for Jonathan Ive and Apple's designs yet.

Also the GS3 have been criticised for looking ugly numerous times in many reviews.

I doubt you think the iPhone 4 was ugly. So when the new iPhone looks similar to the old one, how can it all of a sudden be ugly?

Sameness/similarity/simplicity might be boring for you but to the rest of us in the real world it's refreshing.
 
Is it me or are Apple getting less radical without Steve Jobs? They need someone to help them push the boundaries like they used to.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.