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Admit It: You Recently Bought a Vista PC
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maxvamp
macrumors 6502a
Dell D620 is a good machine????
Dude!!
I have a D620. For Business??
What are you smoking??
That thing, and the dozens I work with are really weak!!
Anything Apple has will smoke them in every way!!
Go Troll somewhere else.
Max.
Dude!!
I have a D620. For Business??
What are you smoking??
That thing, and the dozens I work with are really weak!!
Anything Apple has will smoke them in every way!!
Go Troll somewhere else.
Max.
someguy
macrumors 68020
Sesshi, you don't seem to care too much for Apple's products, and you certainly don't use any of their machines, so why is it that you spend so much time on an Apple-related forum?
I'm not knockin' you here, but most of your posts seem trollish and unnecessary to me, so I can't seem to figure you out past having nothing better to do with your time than attract negative attention at MR. Maybe I'm wrong about you, but what are we supposed to think when your posts are so anti-Apple?
I'm not knockin' you here, but most of your posts seem trollish and unnecessary to me, so I can't seem to figure you out past having nothing better to do with your time than attract negative attention at MR. Maybe I'm wrong about you, but what are we supposed to think when your posts are so anti-Apple?
princealfie
macrumors 68030
wrldwzrd89
macrumors G5
I bought Windows Vista Ultimate (retail, not with a new PC) for 2 reasons: to try Vista out and for school use.
I must admit, I like Windows Vista. It's definitely better than Windows XP... but I still prefer Mac OS X 😉
I must admit, I like Windows Vista. It's definitely better than Windows XP... but I still prefer Mac OS X 😉
Sesshi
macrumors G3
Ah... but I did and do. I still have a couple of MBP's as well as a Pro at the lab and have recently acquired a brace of XServes... but recently sold some Pros as well as a couple of MBP's. I believe that's still more than most on this forum.
I don't post unquestioning fawning of Apple software and hardware because the stuff is what I say it is. It's not 'Pro' and certainly not the be-all and end-all unless you perhaps happen to draw pretty pictures for a living. I don't think you'll find a single post of mine here that's not a result of actual worthwhile experience.
Do you use them all?
I'm not sure what the MBP will smoke when the D620 is for example more durable, is available with similar performance, is more compact, is better supported, has vastly better expansion options and notably better connectivity.
someguy
macrumors 68020
I want to ask "What exactly can't you do on your Macs that you can on your PCs?", but that question is so worn out. Let's just leave it at you prefer to use your PCs for work (and apparently everything else), and I think you're crazy. 😛
Can I ask, though, why you even have so many thousands of dollars worth of Mac equipment if PCs are so much better?
maxvamp
macrumors 6502a
I use my 620 daily as well as some of myy co-workers. I also use a MacBook Gen 1 daily, so I have a basis for comparison. I have found the durability and performance of the MacBook to consistantly beat the 620, and the 610 before it.
Max.
Sesshi
macrumors G3
Because I like using OS X for a limited range of stuff - and it's about choice, remember? I don't have to limit myself to a specific platform because it's what I'm irrationally emotionally attached to - and that my grid is OS X because that's how the developer wanted to do it. Hardwarewise I couldn't see anything wrong with using XServes as they didn't seem any worse than a Dell or HP equivalent.
Max, you can spec a D620 in a variety of ways, and if you went for the ultra-cheap-ass spec perhaps it's not that great a machine in comparison with a MBP - but it's also significantly cheaper. Mine are specced with MBP-matching processor choices, the full complement of wireless options (including built-in 3G) and the support package including accidental damage cover. As for durability, well - the D620 has a mag chassis as with the MBP and the MB, but the difference is the cast-mag outer shell, and the steel hinges of the screen assembly. One may look a lot better, but it hasn't got the backbone - and the superficial of understanding would probably praise the better looking. And seen/used the docking station?
maxvamp
macrumors 6502a
Then without further details about your hardware, it sounds like you have just unfurled your " My Dell is better than your Mac " argument....
I try not to be into the habit of arguing about the nebulous...
Max.
ejb190
macrumors 65816
I would like to get a PC to replace my P3-600 that got lifted from my storage locker last year, but Vista scares me. My wife's P4 64-bit monstrosity will have to do for a while as I see a new front door in the future before a new computer. I am the family computer geek and I am NOT upgrading ANYONE to Vista anytime in the near future.
In fact my employer's (the State of Indiana) IT department told everyone to not upgrade to Vista or IE 7 until further notice. From what I hear, they might be downgrading new machines to XP for compatibility and stability reasons.
In fact my employer's (the State of Indiana) IT department told everyone to not upgrade to Vista or IE 7 until further notice. From what I hear, they might be downgrading new machines to XP for compatibility and stability reasons.
What I get from this.
1. You are the IT Director of some large company
2. You are the owner of some large company, and also maintain and do purchasing for their IT needs
3. You are an employee of a large company, and work with the director to influence purchase and support needs.
4. You are extremely rich, buy and sell at will, and like to play.
I myself fit into category number 3, and have access and influence on purchase of thousands of systems throughout the US. With that said, I don't feel that I am qualified to say many of the things you say on here about most Mac users, and the business world. I also feel that would be true for #s 1 and 2.
Each business "professional" (which by definition covers a broad range of professions) is different, and has different needs. Even two heavily competitive companies within the same field will have that distinction. I use and support both Windows computers, and Mac OS computers. It is both my job, and something I need to do to be a competitive in the real world.
The needs of the business world often change, can you and your opinions keep up with them ?
Sesshi
macrumors G3
Sure.
First, thermal management. I had an air-conditioning unit failure in the small room I kept the Pros in, as well as a number of Dell Poweredge 2850 servers and dual-5130 Precision 690's. The Pros were the first to go - in fact, they were the only machines to go. Only one machine actually had a PSU failure, but the others wouldn't run stable anymore after the incident.
Secondly, general OS stability. Sorry to say that I had significantly more (perhaps twice a month) kernel panics than on the Precisions under XP (three in total out of all the 690's I have so far I believe, and two of those caused while adding new gear) doing roughly similar things. The Pros are stock - no extra hardware bar the occasionally attached external drives, etc and they were still more unstable than the truly comparable XP installs.
Third, hardware issues. 10K drives start to give me resonance problems within the Mac Pro chassis. Some of the 690's started to give me resonance issues with the 15K drives which do run notably whinier/noisier but no problems whatsoever with 10K drives - despite the drive cage retainer assembly being basically a piece of moulded plastic. There's more but that's an example.
Sesshi
macrumors G3
I fit into category 5.
I'm a technology consultant of a 3-man (well actually, one-man) business with an annual IT budget equal to many mid-sized enterprises. On the more involved tech consulting side, I cater for a range of entities from large institutions to the individual. One thing links them together however - they're very goal-orientated and have very deep pockets.
For purely personal use (such as the media center PC for example), I probably spend around £20,000 a year on computers. The original Macs which kick-started my initial switch effort came from that budget, as did my first Pro.
If anyone can, it's me and my colleagues/associates. It's how we stay in business.
I could say the same for you. And I'd say not really... As I said elsewhere, I at least try and compare apples with... well, something actually near apples. Anyway I'm done here, enough typing for one day, Jeez.
Touché
In your field (I do a small amount of consulting myself) flexibility is a key aspect. While you need to be educated and firm in your recommendations, especially if they are using equipment not best suited for the job at hand, you are at the whim of your customers wishes. I still stand behind what I said previously, as in my experience, customers with an opinion unique or drastically different from my own, are not a good fit for me to support, or advise.
If you can and have recommended people both to and away from Apple products, that would tell me that you are more open minded, but I am not going to influence your bottom line 😉 .
In your field (I do a small amount of consulting myself) flexibility is a key aspect. While you need to be educated and firm in your recommendations, especially if they are using equipment not best suited for the job at hand, you are at the whim of your customers wishes. I still stand behind what I said previously, as in my experience, customers with an opinion unique or drastically different from my own, are not a good fit for me to support, or advise.
If you can and have recommended people both to and away from Apple products, that would tell me that you are more open minded, but I am not going to influence your bottom line 😉 .
Dell just gave us a laptop for problems with the old one.
Vista Home Premium.... Core Duo and a gig of ram.
And it is not too bad.
You guys are being too closed minded.
With a few tweaks, vista aint bad.
Mind you, I am on my iMac now. 😛
Vista Home Premium.... Core Duo and a gig of ram.
And it is not too bad.
You guys are being too closed minded.
With a few tweaks, vista aint bad.
Mind you, I am on my iMac now. 😛
wrldwzrd89
macrumors G5
Agreed about Vista... the default settings aren't the greatest, but with some configuration, it's not too bad at all. I'm using Ultimate, though, rather than Home Premium.
Oh, and I thought I should mention this: I went ahead and installed the language packs for Windows Vista, a 2.5 GB download that took 6.5 hours to install.
dartzorichalcos
macrumors 65816
Sesshi, you should sell all of your PCs and buy Santa Rosa platform macs with Leopard pre-installed. Truly convert to the mac side and for some reason I can't believe the problems you are having. I think you are mistreating your macs. I don't think that a mac would have so many problems.
I'm absolutely appalled by the purchase of Dells.
They are easily the most overpriced systems out there for what others can provide for less. Just price out an HP laptop, writing down all the goodies, and see if Dell can match it for same or less. You'll find they are an average of several hundred (or occasionally a thousand) dollars more.
BTW, I have had many Macs and none of them were "setup-free" straight from the box -- there was always something that needed configuring, whether the wireless/DSL connection or the printer/scanner.
One thing we can all fault Apple for, however, is not allowing the kind of customization of the interface that WinCustomize is able to do for Windows. Apple cites security reasons, yet I doubt WC would claim a problem.
They are easily the most overpriced systems out there for what others can provide for less. Just price out an HP laptop, writing down all the goodies, and see if Dell can match it for same or less. You'll find they are an average of several hundred (or occasionally a thousand) dollars more.
BTW, I have had many Macs and none of them were "setup-free" straight from the box -- there was always something that needed configuring, whether the wireless/DSL connection or the printer/scanner.
One thing we can all fault Apple for, however, is not allowing the kind of customization of the interface that WinCustomize is able to do for Windows. Apple cites security reasons, yet I doubt WC would claim a problem.
FleurDuMal
macrumors 68000
The reason I went with a dell notebook was the amazing support they provide in my area. (for a price)
I purchased an Inspiron 1150 2 years ago with there promotional 4 year support.
Every problem I have, they apologize and send a tech out within a day. And he often upgrades the laptops with a wink.
They recently sent us a new Inspiron E1505 at no charge and let us keep the old one with a slight power cord problem.
I would not purchase another dell, but the experience with this laptop has been good.