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Great thing! Now many feel threatened, but today there are people who steal projects and there are those who draw inspiration to create something new. If you look at the development of humanity, then the thought of the Western you constantly rising on the works of its predecessors. Aristotle was a student of Plato, and Hegel would say that we have a thesis, antithesis and synthesis. Adobe lowers the entry threshold, but you can treat LLM as finished ready solutions, and you can an intermediate point at work, a helper who does something for us and we must refine.
 
I've art directed many campaigns and understand the creative process of pulling various elements together to complete a vision or look.

Yes, prior to AI, people would collage clip art together to create an original. Heck just look at Andy Warhol.

What I was referring to was passing off an AI generated image as something you created. In your example, you could use vocal samples, but you certainly wouldn't say that it's your voice.
In this case, AI-enhanced—which is fine and fits right in with features like Generative Fill that enables photographs to express what the author wanted to express faster using technology.

What’s exactly problematic with that being one of the core purposes of Photoshop in the first place?
 
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I've art directed many campaigns and understand the creative process of pulling various elements together to complete a vision or look.

Yes, prior to AI, people would collage clip art together to create an original. Heck just look at Andy Warhol.

What I was referring to was passing off an AI generated image as something you created. In your example, you could use vocal samples, but you certainly wouldn't say that it's your voice.
I think the wider point is that no one can say they created the elements of a digital image any more, even if they did. This has long been the case in photography anyway, with images heavily manipulated to change elements or remove perceived imperfections. What AI has done is make all of that far easier to achieve. We can like it or hate it, but it’s happened and it’s never going away.

What remains important is the composition of the image and the artistic intention behind it. To do that well requires both human knowledge and artistic talent.

If you put a bunch of people in a room and challenge them to produce the best image using AI tools, the artistic folk will always do better.
 
I suppose for mockup purposes or businesses who need 'free' content.

But for personal work, where is the joy in creating art...when you didn't actually create it?

Why use the paint bucket tool when you can paint in the whole area with a brush?

Why use path tools they offer too much line assistance?

Why use spell check and auto complete when you can have the joy of banging on the keyboard?

Why use a tractor when you can break your back picking barley with your own hands?

Analogies aside, generative tools are not always automatic. They require a lot of hand holding and guidance and iteration. That's only the middle part. You then have to refine the results manually.
 
Yes, prior to AI, people would collage clip art together to create an original. Heck just look at Andy Warhol.

Warhol would have loved generative images, if not for making art then for making social satire. He was one of the first artists to jump on digital tools.
 
I think the wider point is that no one can say they created the elements of a digital image any more, even if they did. This has long been the case in photography anyway, with images heavily manipulated to change elements or remove perceived imperfections. What AI has done is make all of that far easier to achieve. We can like it or hate it, but it’s happened and it’s never going away.

What remains important is the composition of the image and the artistic intention behind it. To do that well requires both human knowledge and artistic talent.

If you put a bunch of people in a room and challenge them to produce the best image using AI tools, the artistic folk will always do better.

Exactly that. If you glean through social media and see the generative content the low quality spammy stuff is made by amateurs/click hunters who don't know how to compose an image or tell a story and the high quality stuff is made by knowledgable creatives who understand how to use new tools and old tools together.
 
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Adobe… yuck

Wonder how much Macrumors is getting paid for spamming this junk.

Man that whole misinformation campaign about Adobe and generative AI has really turned many people into ignorant and toxic posters.

It's sad to see people hate something that makes their work easier and speeds up the time it takes to imagine something and put it on a screen for the world to see.
 
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I dropped Abobe the moment they went Creative Cloud and haven't missed them in the slightest. I switched to Affinity for my image editing and graphic design and have saved myself thousands of pounds over the years and never felt any need to switch back and "rent" my software.
 
Can I use Adobe AI to create a Photoshop product that isn't on a subscription?
No, but I’m sure you could with ChatGPT! 😂

For those of us who aren’t as artistically and visually inclined, there’s also joy to see magic happen.

It’s really useful for one-man-shows and lean teams starting out and don’t mind the jankiness of AI.
Back in my day, those of us who aren’t artistically and visually inclined and also one-man-shows or on lean teams looked up Photoshop tutorials on things we wanted to add/fix/create and you’d feel pride for learning something new. The first few tries were usually janky but it wouldn’t take long before you got good results. I used to make abstract wallpapers and I’m thankful for the skills I learned while learning from tutorials.

Another tool in the digital toolbox. Adapt to the times and use what's available. I do.

Or just use physical media. There are options for everyone.

No need to ridicule modern things such as electricity, the wheel, or radio.
No one is ridiculing modern things. Improvements to modern life are great. But AI still doesn’t understand how text should be applied on images, hands (and sometimes fingers, arms, and the number of those appendages and where they’re located). At least when I turn on my light, water doesn’t start pouring out of the socket… and my car wheels don’t randomly turn to rectangles.

Love Adobe. As long as they keep offering student prices I'll keep using them until I die.
I’ve seen a lot of companies that offer student prices time it out after 4 years. Extensions generally require submitting some kind of evidence of still being an active student. I’m surprised Adobe doesn’t do that (yet).
 
No one is ridiculing modern things. Improvements to modern life are great. But AI still doesn’t understand how text should be applied on images, hands (and sometimes fingers, arms, and the number of those appendages and where they’re located). At least when I turn on my light, water doesn’t start pouring out of the socket… and my car wheels don’t randomly turn to rectangles.

That's completely fine because nobody is asking for "AI" to do everything with one click. They are asking for assistance. Asking for a machine to be able to do literally everything and anything is computationally impossible. The tools will improve slowly from this point onwards but users remain in control. Despite the idiotic headlines in media written by clueless coke snorting journalists the robot overlord armageddon isn't happening. I only worry about drones getting out of hand, not image and text generators.
 
I have a copy of CS4 on my old 2011 21.5 iMac that I‘ll happily use. I wish I could mount it on my M3 iMac because I want absolutely nothing to do with Adobe and its subscription products today. I’ll go with Affinity Pro instead.
 
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AI is not the flex companies think it is.

Nobody is forcing you to use it.

There are people who have irrational fears of "AI" that are no different from irrational fears of E-numbers and genetically modified rice.

The more literate you become on a subject the less you have to fear.
 
Nobody is forcing you to use it.

There are people who have irrational fears of "AI" that are no different from irrational fears of E-numbers and genetically modified rice.

The more literate you become on a subject the less you have to fear.
Uh, I never said I was afraid of it. Or that I felt I was being forced to use it. I am quite aware of its capabilities and its limitations.

I simply said (and I quote), “AI is not the flex companies think it is.” As in: most customers don’t care, or actively don’t want it.

But sure, turn me into a straw man for your own angle.
 
I simply said (and I quote), “AI is not the flex companies think it is.”

But it is a flex when it is done well. We always want our tools to make our work easier. Why should you break your wrist and your back working for your bosses and clients when they don't give half a **** about you even if you have loyally been on good terms with them for years?

Anything that makes your work less physically and mentally stressful is a bonus. If you know how to use all the latest tools better than most people then you're going to be in demand as a highly skilled creative. You will have shown people that you know everything from painting on a physical canvas to how to use machine learning.

It makes no sense to limit yourself and falsely believe that makes you more talented and skilful.

People who built claymation puppets are no more skilful than people who use Blender. There's room for everything and if you learn everything then you're gold.

most customers don’t care, or actively don’t want it.

How do you even know this without talking to 33 million subscribers? There's no survey or mass protest from them.

No, a small sample on social media doesn't count especially when some of them are pirates and cheapskates with no career. Some anti-AI people are the kind of people who hang out on Karen's new age Facebook group ranting about their organic yogic lifestyle and the end of the world.

But sure, turn me into a straw man for your own angle.

Apologies, but...
 
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I suppose for mockup purposes or businesses who need 'free' content.

But for personal work, where is the joy in creating art...when you didn't actually create it?
AI images are great for not having to buy stock photos which are way too expensive. Hopefully the explosion of AI images will force stock photos to be much more properly priced.
 
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Left adobe when they went subscription- hope they fail…
So because you decide it's not for you, you want them to fail so nobody can use it?

I pay £9.99 for my subscription, what's that a couple of coffees a month?

Using Lightroom I can speed through literally thousands of sports images, cull, arrange, minor edits and export in an hour or two.

The subject selection tool updates in the last couple of years have made editing so much easier, you can't expect this continued development of updates to be given to you for free.

Granted it's not for you, which is fine, you as a consumer have the option to look for a tool that's more suited to your needs, but you'll find lots of photographers, pro, semi-pro or hobbyist, do value the products Adobe have on offer and can see the value in the £9.99 monthly subscription.
 
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I've art directed many campaigns and understand the creative process of pulling various elements together to complete a vision or look.

Yes, prior to AI, people would collage clip art together to create an original. Heck just look at Andy Warhol.

What I was referring to was passing off an AI generated image as something you created. In your example, you could use vocal samples, but you certainly wouldn't say that it's your voice.
But you would say it’s your art. These distinctions are meaningless and happen whenever new tools appear. It’s all art. It’s all human expression.
 
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