Adobe Adds New AI Tools to Photoshop and Illustrator

[bunty]

There's this article that's worth a read. https://www.wired.com/story/ai-is-already-taking-jobs-in-the-video-game-industry/

Two people I know were laid off last month because the company that they worked for replaced them with generative AI for ALL of their internal graphics and presentations, which is what these two people used to do for them.

 

[phrehdd]

AI is a mixed bag and in the digital image manipulation venue, it is still hit and miss, and often it is better to use AI as just one of a few steps in changing an image rather than the only step. I use a very nice software that is a fraction of the cost of using Photoshop and for general use, it does the job nicely. I do admit that some of the PS AI tools would be very helpful in my application (photo restoration).

 

[stinksroundhere]

There's this article that's worth a read. https://www.wired.com/story/ai-is-already-taking-jobs-in-the-video-game-industry/

Two people I know were laid off last month because the company that they worked for replaced them with generative AI for ALL of their internal graphics and presentations, which is what these two people used to do for them.

What these doomer articles forget to mention is that game dev teams were being overworked and forced to grind for the last how many years. It was a big talking point in the news only two years ago.

Now if generative AI and code completion is good enough (it still isn't but better than nothing) it means less grind and games developed faster. It also means devs and artists can tell those big companies to go F themselves and start their own companies. It reduces the costs of starting up.

That's really good for medium and small game companies.

Did we forget about the costs saved for smaller companies and individuals?

Generative AI has the potential to finally break the grip of the big wig coke addicted executive class and let many new flowers bloom.

If any of those anti-Adobe people are as smart as they pretend to be they'd embrace generative AI and write their own creative apps instead of buying a third rate competitor's app.

 

[Blue Nova]

At some point there will be similar design, not thanks not for me, I’ll creative my own.

 

[lilkwarrior]

85% of photoshop is bloat, Pixelmator Pro has plenty of usefulness to professionals.

I didn’t deny that; I’m saying it’s not that simple for a meaningful amount of creative professionals to leave Photoshop for Pixelmator—a VERY broad category.

 

[mansplains]

I've art directed many campaigns and understand the creative process of pulling various elements together to complete a vision or look.

Yes, prior to AI, people would collage clip art together to create an original. Heck just look at Andy Warhol.

What I was referring to was passing off an AI generated image as something you created. In your example, you could use vocal samples, but you certainly wouldn't say that it's your voice.

I hear ya. I guess I would still say the song (collage) is mine, and the samples are royalty-free, so not credited (feat). I still think of it as a tool. A YouTuber won't credit Blackmagic Design for their editing, and applying the same logic leads to not crediting AI for assisting your creation. In the circumstance that an artist generates an image, by AI entirely, with no further input or tweaking, then I'd agree there's no joy (past the magic @unchecked noted) in the process.

 

[mansplains]

There's this article that's worth a read. https://www.wired.com/story/ai-is-already-taking-jobs-in-the-video-game-industry/

Two people I know were laid off last month because the company that they worked for replaced them with generative AI for ALL of their internal graphics and presentations, which is what these two people used to do for them.

I don't want to sound callous, but no profession is secure. If you're not learning new skills or adapting to the environment, you're going to be left behind. Unless you're a politician. In the case of your contacts, I would suggest speaking up to prospective buyers who may vote against such practices with their wallets. Factorio is a beloved game of mine and many others, and Wube hired a mod maker to assist in an upcoming DLC. Their weekly updates showcase his art often. There are employers that recognize talent and award it, I wish your acquaintances luck in finding them.

 

[stinksroundhere]

I don't want to sound callous, but no profession is secure. If you're not learning new skills or adapting to the environment, you're going to be left behind. Unless you're a politician. In the case of your contacts, I would suggest speaking up to prospective buyers who may vote against such practices with their wallets. Factorio is a beloved game of mine and many others, and Wube hired a mod maker to assist in an upcoming DLC. Their weekly updates showcase his art often. There are employers that recognize talent and award it, I wish your acquaintances luck in finding them.

If you go on all the genAI enthusiastic Reddit subs they'll tell you all these models are far far far far far far far (x10000000000000) from what the fear mongers and news articles (who use anonymous sources) say.

Anyone who knows a bit of computer science and understands the limits of deep learning, the difficulties of harnessing and trying to control algorithms, and the never ending bug hunting of software development knows that machines cannot do what this current hysteria and hype are talking about.

So there's a major disconnect between what genAI users are saying, what the media is saying, what non users are saying, and what the finance hype train are saying.

Trust the users, they'll tell you where it is at and how workers will be empowered and in control of it.

It also depends on what we mean by genAI and "AI". It comes in so many forms.

A text or sound generator is much easier than trying to generate a totally realistic fight scene like we see in John Wick. The latter is, I really mean this, about a million times harder and nowhere on the horizon.

Even text wise, despite the amount of compute power already being used every large language model is a really bad fiction writer. There are school children with more imagination.

It's important for creative people to embrace it so that the models become reliable and serve their needs better. They have to be in control. Don't let others control it otherwise you'll just be constantly misinformed or be given unrealistic fear stories.

A lot of this is open source (Ollama, ComfyUI, etc) and Mac compatible. You don't need to pay subs for it if you don't want to.

And don't trust LinkedIn. That place is 4chan for adults in suits.

 

[satchmo]

But you would say it’s your art. These distinctions are meaningless and happen whenever new tools appear. It’s all art. It’s all human expression.

Sure, art is expression.

But how we get there still matters.
I mean 'the journey is the reward', right?

You can possess the vision and creativity to ask in great detail what you want. It might require 10,000+ prompts for you to achieve exactly what you want with AI.

On the other hand, craftsmanship requires skill, dexterity, hand eye coordination, whether it's painting by brush or pushing vectors around in Illustrator. While it may be slower, it's just a more rewarding process for me.

 

[stinksroundhere]

Sure, art is expression.

But how we get there still matters.
I mean 'the journey is the reward', right?

You can possess the vision and creativity to ask in great detail what you want. It might require 10,000+ prompts for you to achieve exactly what you want with AI.

On the other hand, craftsmanship requires skill, dexterity, hand eye coordination, whether it's painting by brush or pushing vectors around in Illustrator. While it may be slower, it's just a more rewarding process for me.

Prompting is only the middle part of using genAI tools and sometimes it isn't included in a flow.

If users only prompted, their material is too hard to control, too buggy and has no consumer value. Mostly amateurs are doing that, not professionals.

The correct way to use them is a lot of manual preparation of content in advance, then parse your content through generative tools, then fiddle with all the settings until you get the right output, then take the output and manually edit and refine and fine tune the media/content. All the craftsmanship you speak of is still part of the flow. It is inseparable if you want to control the output.

If you log in (it is free) to sites like Runway and Udio you can see how many manual tools they give and that they offer output options so you can take the generated content into Final Cut and Logic Pro.

Note that in the 70s and first half of the 80s almost all CGI and visual effects were done with programming. In that same era musicians programmed computer based synths to generate tracks. They would then take those tracks and mix them together with live instruments.

GenAI is very similar but instead of programming you use natural language to get the effect or material you want.

Yeah, doomers in those days said synths were evil and they were scared real instruments would be killed be electronic sounds. They said CGI would kill all acting careers.

Tech fears and tech predictions tend to fail about 90% of the time but the media doesn't care it gets people reading.

 

[Astrohunter]

Man that whole misinformation campaign about Adobe and generative AI has really turned many people into ignorant and toxic posters.

It's sad to see people hate something that makes their work easier and speeds up the time it takes to imagine something and put it on a screen for the world to see.

How is it toxic or ignorant when Adobe acts like a bunch of scammers not to mention they change TOS to let random people browse your photos?

My post wasn’t regarding AI.

 

[stinksroundhere]

How is it toxic or ignorant when Adobe acts like a bunch of scammers

I'd love for their apps to be cheaper but they aren't "scamming".

You want to see what expensive actually looks like? I present to you Adobe and Blender's competitor Foundry

not to mention they change TOS to let random people browse your photos?

You mean, in an age when everyone is sharing their photos on the internet and everyone either copies each other's ideas, learns from each other or are inspired by each others images???

What was the internet for again? Why did Berners-Lee create a web browser?

You'll find it was for sharing and learning. That's what deep learning does and what you can take advantage of.

 

[Astrohunter]

I'd love for their apps to be cheaper but they aren't "scamming".

You want to see what expensive actually looks like? I present to you Adobe and Blender's competitor Foundry

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You mean, in an age when everyone is sharing their photos on the internet and everyone either copies each other's ideas, learns from each other or are inspired by each others images???

What was the internet for again? Why did Berners-Lee create a web browser?

You'll find it was for sharing and learning. That's what deep learning does and what you can take advantage of.

They have scummy practices like charging penalty fee if you want to stop using their services etc.

And what has sharing photos online have to do with Adobe employees browsing your private photos uploaded to a cloud?

 

[Astrohunter]

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They go over their TOS here, and it clearly states that it can be used by AI and be browsed by their employees, or am I misunderstanding something?

Also saw this somewhere, didn’t verify:
“I don't understand why people are up in arms about section 2 when section 4.2 just let's them publish anything you make or store with their services”

 

[Astrohunter]

Even cell phone providers charge early cancellation fees in the first year of a contract. Do you run around screaming for the Justice Department to chase them down?

You know these costs count as expenses right? Ask your accountant.

No I don’t, but I still think it is scummy practices. I can understand broadband providers doing this since they have to connect you to a line, provide with router etc.

And 2 left don’t make right , or however it goes.

 

[Astrohunter]

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And they do share skills and teach upcomming artists.
You can’t compare it to AI that will be advanced enough to get 99% of creators out of their job.

At first people will adjust and AI will help them improve their work.
But in future AI will know what looks good and what not, AI trained on photos of best photographers ever taken.

Same story as with all the startups like Uber, business running at loss but they know they will take over and have monopoly at some point.

People always profit with new tech etc. but in the end it will bite us in the ass.

 

[xbjllb]

Have they fixed up the cancel subscription mess? I read so many horror stories about needing months to get out and huge cancellation fees. I know it isn't for everyone but as a one man business the smallest subscription might work for me, if they fix that cancellation process.

Lawsuit just hit.

 

[splifingate]

Generative AI has the potential to finally break the grip of the big wig coke addicted executive class and let many new flowers bloom.

Dude!