That is also EXACTLY the way Microsoft's Windows 8 and 9 are going to be like. So the only alternative would be... 10.4 Tiger!
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Adobe Brings Photoshop Lightroom 4 to Mac App Store
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That is also EXACTLY the way Microsoft's Windows 8 and 9 are going to be like. So the only alternative would be... 10.4 Tiger!
Yes, but that's not what I meant. I thought that "Apps that use deprecated or optionally installed technologies (e.g., Java, Rosetta) will be rejected" (source).
So if Adobe's app contain Java code... why didn't they get rejected from the App Store? Maybe because they're big names..
Why are you shocked? You do realize that Adobe "allows" Walmart, Best Buy, Amazon, and a bunch of other retail stores to "pocket" 30% or more for a long time. Why would they care any differently about Apple's store?
It seems a lot of people don't understand the concept of a store. That software you buy in Walmart is not owned by Walmart and yes Walmart gets a "cut". This is the way stores have operated for hundreds of years. Did people think Walmart, Apple, Amazon, gas stations, grocery stores, and the thousands of other stores that exist in the world were selling other people's stuff for free or something?
It's not available in the Australian App Store yet. I fully expect they'll greatly raise the price for no reason for Australian customers (there is no reason to, especially since our dollar is stronger than the US dollar and it is digital distribution - there is actually a parliamentary enquiry into this practice happening right now).
The price scares me for a try, LOL.
Best way is to visit Adobe's site and download the trial version.
It looks like a great app. I would change, but I've invested time and money into Aperture and my needs aren't professional so I don't need to change, BUT if I was starting out with a photo organization app which obviously does so much more, I would seriously give LR another look.
The price scares me for a try, LOL.
You can get a free 30-day trial from Adobe's site. http://www.adobe.com/go/trylightroom/
I used to use Lightroom, but switched to Aperture thanks to the $80 App Store price. I had 2 catalogs in my Lightroom days. One for Lightroom as I like to shoot RAW and an iPhoto catalog for my wife to use. It was a pain keeping them somewhat "synchronized." So, I when Apple dropped the price for Aperture, I figured that would be the best of both worlds. For the most part it is, but Lightroom is also a very solid program.
Now I'm wondering if I made a mistake. Aperture is nice, but Lightroom has more tools built-in. One that I will need in the near future is converting a negative to a positive image (I'm going to import all my old film negatives). There are some simple ways to do it without having to buy a dedicated film scanner. Lightroom can do it, but Aperture doesn't have that ability.
Update: You can easily convert negatives to positives in Aperture. It's is just done a different way.
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The price scares me for a try, LOL.
iPhoto that comes with your mac is an alternative, though it pales in comparison of what LightRoom can do.
A myth that has persisted (not blaming you, but want to correct it again). There is no 5 machine limit on Mac App Store apps. They can be run on all the computers you own or control.
Also a myth. Business must either purchase one per seat or per user (depending on the setup), but they are absolutely valid for commercial licensing. Isn't there also volume licensing available now anyways?
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Honestly, why is everyone being so reactionary about the App Store.
I've found myself buying more products because I can easily browse one central catalog of products (not to mention the fact that several times I've purchased products just because they were featured on the homepage).
Seems like something companies would want to embrace.
I don't go out of my way to only download from the App Store (if there's a product that offers it outside, I'll get it) but the convenience of it is so nice. On a reinstall, I don't have to dig up the website, click download, find my licence, etc.
I just load up the App Store, click download for every product that I purchased that I want to download, and I'm good to go.
Seriously, use it or don't use it if you want but complaining about the 30% is just plain silly considering it's probably done more to bring in sales to each company then it would have if they had to advertise and market their product by themselves.
Good for Adobe - hopefully we'll see more big name publishers like Microsoft (Office in the App Store? Awesome!) and Mozilla.
I've found myself buying more products because I can easily browse one central catalog of products (not to mention the fact that several times I've purchased products just because they were featured on the homepage).
Seems like something companies would want to embrace.
I don't go out of my way to only download from the App Store (if there's a product that offers it outside, I'll get it) but the convenience of it is so nice. On a reinstall, I don't have to dig up the website, click download, find my licence, etc.
I just load up the App Store, click download for every product that I purchased that I want to download, and I'm good to go.
Seriously, use it or don't use it if you want but complaining about the 30% is just plain silly considering it's probably done more to bring in sales to each company then it would have if they had to advertise and market their product by themselves.
Good for Adobe - hopefully we'll see more big name publishers like Microsoft (Office in the App Store? Awesome!) and Mozilla.
This is the argument I don't get. Apple puts the store there. Nobody forces Adobe to make their software available through it. Since they do offer it through the MAS, we can safely assume that they are fine with Apple taking their cut.
Why should we be any different?
More and more compaanies are biting the bullet and putting their products on the Mac App Store.
Their finally realising how "Worth it" Apple's 30% is
Their finally realising how "Worth it" Apple's 30% is
More and more compaanies are biting the bullet and putting their products on the Mac App Store.
Their finally realising how "Worth it" Apple's 30% is
For the pete's sake! People, do you understand how RETAILERS WORK?! Apple is the only retailer that we know for certain how much of a cut they are getting. Do you know how much best buy gets, no, walmart, no, amazon, no, you name it store, NO! There is this thing called Wholesale price. That's what retailers get. We DONT know what that price is. For all we know, Adobe's wholesale price is $75 and therefore retailers are pocketing $75, 50%. And that's not even including any logistical cost or physical reproduction.
In conclusion, everyone needs to stop talking about Apple's 30% and how we're amazed people are "biting the bullet". Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the Mac App store is SAVING adobe money per unit sold. So please, no more of this non sense.
Totally agree. People don't seem to know how retail businesses work. Before the invention of the internet, most manufactures of products did not have their own physical stores to sell stuff. Tell you the truth, up to a point, it would not make much sense to do so unless your products were extremely popular.
Makes more sense for manufactures to sell their products in as many stores as possible to increase their chance of being sold along with more exposure.
Like I said before most retailers mark the whole sale price up to 100% Thats how they make their profit. 30% cut by Apple really is not that bad and is far below the average retail markup.
How does LightRoom compare to Aperture when it comes to performance?
Aperture is a great product but it really bogs down sometimes, especially on larger RAW files, which makes it unpleasant to use if I've imported and need to work on a few hundred photos.
This didn't used to be the case; I suspect the aperture developers have gotten lazy.
Aperture is a great product but it really bogs down sometimes, especially on larger RAW files, which makes it unpleasant to use if I've imported and need to work on a few hundred photos.
This didn't used to be the case; I suspect the aperture developers have gotten lazy.
ok, there are some problems with this:
1. Until now, I could buy one LR license and could use it either on Mac OS or on Windows. That's no longer the case. Also, Adobe never did any license checking - so existing LR licenses could always be used on more than one computer (not legally, though).
2. Because Adobe doesn't just hand over 30% of its profits to Apple, they have to find a way of making up for the losses they incur. And they've already found one: you can't buy upgrade versions of LR through the app store. You can only purchase the full version. So every year, the Mac user will pay 50-60$ more than the Windows user who can just buy a boxed version (which won't be available anymore from Adobe for Mac OS starting with LR 5) upgrade.
so Apple screws us over with their ongoing greed once more.
Anyway, I'm sure Apple zealots will still think this is a good idea somehow. I'm very much looking forward to reading the re-framing attempts here.
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I think you're wrong about that one. Apple very much forces companies to get gatekeeper-certified and push their stuff on the app store. Mountain Lion is more than likely going to be the last version of OS X that allows users to side-load software. After that, it's going to be the App Store or you'll have to jailbreak your Mac as well, not only your iPhone and iPad.
Anyway - I've been a Mac user for about 15 years now. I've pushed Mac OS X at work where Apple made a crapload of money because of me, I bought pretty much every Apple device made during that time frame. When they announced Mountain Lion and gatekeeper, they finally managed to drive me away. I just ordered an HP Spectre and am in the process of selling my Macbook Pro. I already sold my iPhone and my Macbook Air.
Peter
1. Until now, I could buy one LR license and could use it either on Mac OS or on Windows. That's no longer the case. Also, Adobe never did any license checking - so existing LR licenses could always be used on more than one computer (not legally, though).
2. Because Adobe doesn't just hand over 30% of its profits to Apple, they have to find a way of making up for the losses they incur. And they've already found one: you can't buy upgrade versions of LR through the app store. You can only purchase the full version. So every year, the Mac user will pay 50-60$ more than the Windows user who can just buy a boxed version (which won't be available anymore from Adobe for Mac OS starting with LR 5) upgrade.
so Apple screws us over with their ongoing greed once more.
Anyway, I'm sure Apple zealots will still think this is a good idea somehow. I'm very much looking forward to reading the re-framing attempts here.
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I think you're wrong about that one. Apple very much forces companies to get gatekeeper-certified and push their stuff on the app store. Mountain Lion is more than likely going to be the last version of OS X that allows users to side-load software. After that, it's going to be the App Store or you'll have to jailbreak your Mac as well, not only your iPhone and iPad.
Anyway - I've been a Mac user for about 15 years now. I've pushed Mac OS X at work where Apple made a crapload of money because of me, I bought pretty much every Apple device made during that time frame. When they announced Mountain Lion and gatekeeper, they finally managed to drive me away. I just ordered an HP Spectre and am in the process of selling my Macbook Pro. I already sold my iPhone and my Macbook Air.
Peter
My thoughts...
Good that you can install on all your Macs. Adobe's licence is for only 2 macs.
Bad that I don't think you will get upgrade pricing to LR5?? Has Apple ever offered upgrade versions through the App Store??
Also people wanting to try LR for free...you can get 30 day trial OR download LR4 RC that is valid till end of June via Adobe Labs.
Good that you can install on all your Macs. Adobe's licence is for only 2 macs.
Bad that I don't think you will get upgrade pricing to LR5?? Has Apple ever offered upgrade versions through the App Store??
Also people wanting to try LR for free...you can get 30 day trial OR download LR4 RC that is valid till end of June via Adobe Labs.
To each his own for sure, but I think getting up in a tizzy about Gatekeeper seems a bit much. I really don't see much problem with adding an extra level of security to the process of installing apps. There has been no mention of closing off app installs to just those from the MAS, so at this point your conjecture has no merit. All they are doing is creating a digital signature for people to know their apps are from trusted sources.
But even all of that aside....they aren't closing off access to non-gatekeeper verified software. You'll still be able to install whatever you want, as it is today. You'll just need to adjust your security settings to do so.
The price scares me for a try, LOL.
You can have a 30 day free trial if you get it from adobe.com instead of the Mac App Store. No need for a "free alternative" (there isn't one, anyway).
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Aperture was a great idea with 90% execution. The tech demo was very, very promising, but using it in the real world almost never gave you that promised experience. Lightroom lacks the style of Aperture, but it gets the work done, no fuss.
I had the first two versions of Aperture, and had all of my 20K+ photos in there. After a trial of Lightroom 3, I ended up converting everything over to Lightroom and leaving Aperture behind. There is a problem when an 8-core Mac Pro with 10GB of RAM and a RAID 0 array of discs spends more time snagging and waiting for commands to register than actually doing work. That was my Aperture experience when my library was only 10K+ photos. I do miss some small things about Aperture, but it was lipstick on a pig, in the end. You have to focus on the core user experience first, not the gimmicks.
Actually, there is a free alternative. http://www.darktable.org/ and it is available on Mac OS via Macports. I have not tried it, so I don't know how viable it is.
I for one think this is great. Getting a big name in the App store brings a little more credit to it.
Apple takes 30% great for them. I am sure Amazon/Best Buy etc are taking a nice little cut also, I wouldn't be surprised if they are taking more than the 30% or just about the same.
I for one love the app store. Convenience and ease of use is what I like about it. All my licenses and programs in one place. Yes I don't have a physical copy which is fine with me, one less disk to store and worry about. There are pro's and con's to all of this. If LR sticks to the current model, I can install on all my Mac's. I don't have a windows box I need to worry about with this license. I am sure there are those on here who do, so the better option would be to get the physical media that has both installers on it. Problem solved.
I am hoping Photoshop comes to the store or some of the suites. Not to mention MS products.
I think this is good news personally.
For those who want to know what LightRoom or Aperture are visit the respective sites or visit the photography section here at MR. I am sure you will have plenty if not more than you need, information to read and consume.
Apple takes 30% great for them. I am sure Amazon/Best Buy etc are taking a nice little cut also, I wouldn't be surprised if they are taking more than the 30% or just about the same.
I for one love the app store. Convenience and ease of use is what I like about it. All my licenses and programs in one place. Yes I don't have a physical copy which is fine with me, one less disk to store and worry about. There are pro's and con's to all of this. If LR sticks to the current model, I can install on all my Mac's. I don't have a windows box I need to worry about with this license. I am sure there are those on here who do, so the better option would be to get the physical media that has both installers on it. Problem solved.
I am hoping Photoshop comes to the store or some of the suites. Not to mention MS products.
I think this is good news personally.
For those who want to know what LightRoom or Aperture are visit the respective sites or visit the photography section here at MR. I am sure you will have plenty if not more than you need, information to read and consume.
Because some developers make more money after giving Apple 30%. That's how retail distribution works.