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geeves

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Feb 14, 2003
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Bug found

When I select multiple files and drag to CS3 photoshop icon - only one opens - major bummer.
:confused:

Snow leopard and CS3 not perfect.
 

Keniff

macrumors 6502a
Dec 21, 2008
526
1
United Kingdom
I've flicked through this thread looking for the answer to this question, but I can't seem to find it...

At the moment I use CS2 in Leopard, I'm happy with it and it works fine...

"I intend to upgrade to SL at some point soon, can somebody just tell me if CS2 works with SL, please?"

Thanks in advance....
 

JFreak

macrumors 68040
Jul 11, 2003
3,146
2
Tampere, Finland
My CS3 does not work in SL at all. Repairing installation does not help, uninstalling and reinstaling does not help, haven't tried cracked version yet.
 

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Macinposh

macrumors 6502a
Jun 7, 2006
700
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Kreplakistan
Of course, you could use 64-bit CS4 today if better performance was important to you....

What do you mean with "better performance"?

-Faster performance over CS3? Still to date,have not seen a single testpack that would support that it is. Well,maybe 1-2% but nothing to write home about.
CS3 vs CS4 under leo = same
CS3 vs CS4 under sl = same
CS4 vs CS4 sl vs. leo = same



-Officially supported performance by adobe = better support? well,this one I could understand. as adobe wont answer any questions of cs3+sl, it might matter a bit for some people.
completely different thing is that if adobe can help you anyway even if you call them having a "fully supported system".
The few times I have had to call them the service has been extremely arrogant and poor. 2 times with licensing issue and few times with bugs.
to the licensing issues i got help only after I threatened to have the consumer protection offices involved.
to the buggy questions I got the "we are aware of the bugs and are working on them" answer and nothing else.no work arounds. well...



-something else?






When I select multiple files and drag to CS3 photoshop icon - only one opens - major bummer.
:confused:

This bug has been in cs3 for ages (under tiger/leo). for me I can get no pics to open. only restart or two helps.




My CS3 does not work in SL at all. Repairing installation does not help, uninstalling and reinstaling does not help, haven't tried cracked version yet.


Uhh? Bad. Is the cs3 a upgrade version from cs2 or standalone?Only a PS or a bigger pack?
 

Luis Ortega

macrumors 65816
May 10, 2007
1,091
280
snow leopard and photoshop cs3 do not work well together.
Trying to navigate around menus and tool bars creates all sorts of glitches and it a real productivity problem.
I have no intention of buying cs4 since it is old now and it never even offered full use of available ram in a system.
I was waiting to see if cs5 could exploit ram and 64 bit systems but for now snow leopard and cs3 combo is a dog and a pain to use.
 

AidenShaw

macrumors P6
Feb 8, 2003
18,667
4,675
The Peninsula
Originally Posted by AidenShaw
Of course, you could use 64-bit CS4 today if better performance was important to you....

What do you mean with "better performance"?

-Faster performance over CS3? Still to date,have not seen a single testpack that would support that it is. Well,maybe 1-2% but nothing to write home about.
CS3 vs CS4 under leo = same
CS3 vs CS4 under sl = same
CS4 vs CS4 sl vs. leo = same


I said 64-bit CS4, which obviously meant on Windows.

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http://digitalcontentproducer.com/affordablehd/newsletter/cs4_64bit_1222/index.html
 

Macinposh

macrumors 6502a
Jun 7, 2006
700
0
Kreplakistan

Ah! Obviously! How stupid of me!
So you suggest a macuser to change to windows to (maybe) get some performance benefits?
Maybe in some of the CS´s programs?

Maybe like when people were doing stuff in after effects,like here ? :

AE CS3
Time rendering:
04:08 (60% Memory Usage)
(win 32,QT NONE Compression,2x1GB of RAM,Hitachi 120GB 5400RPM)

AE CS4
Time rendering:
04:56 (Multi Processing=OFF)
06:11 (Multi Processing=ON)
(win 64,QT NONE Compression,2x2GB of RAM,Seagate 500GB 5400RPM)


Help me out,here dude!
 

Mike Teezie

macrumors 68020
Nov 20, 2002
2,205
1
Adobe took this long to consider Cocoa? :eek:

Apple sort of shafted them by abandoning the 64 bit rewrite of Carbon.

From John Nack's blog:

As we wrapped up Photoshop CS3, our plan was to ship 64-bit versions of the next version of Photoshop for both Mac and Windows. On the Mac Photoshop (like the rest of the Creative Suite, not to mention applications like Apple's Final Cut Pro and iTunes) relies on Apple's Carbon technology. Apple's OS team was busyenabling a 64-bit version of Carbon, a prerequisite for letting Carbon-based apps run 64-bit-native.
At the WWDC show last June, however, Adobe & other developers learned that Apple had decided to stop their Carbon 64 efforts. This means that 64-bit Mac apps need to be written to use Cocoa (as Lightroom is) instead of Carbon. This means that we'll need to rewrite large parts of Photoshop and its plug-ins (potentially affecting over a million lines of code) to move it from Carbon to Cocoa.
Now let me be very clear about something: It's entirely Apple's call about what's best for the Mac OS and how to spend their engineering cycles. Like any development team, they have finite resources & need to spend them judiciously. They've decided that Carbon 64 doesn't belong on their roadmap, and we respect their decision. It's up to Adobe to adapt to the new plan.
As soon as we got the news in June, we began adjusting our product development plans. No one has ever ported an application the size of Photoshop from Carbon to Cocoa (as I mentioned earlier, after 9 years as an Apple product Final Cut Pro remains Carbon-based), so we're dealing with unknown territory. We began training our engineers to rewrite code in Objective C (instead of C++), and they began prototyping select areas to get a better view of the overall effort.
In short, Adobe has been taking prompt, pragmatic steps to enable 64-bit Photoshop as quickly as possible on both Mac and Windows. It's a great feature, not a magic bullet, and we're delivering the functionality as quickly as each platform permits.
 

MorphingDragon

macrumors 603
Mar 27, 2009
5,160
6
The World Inbetween
Apple sort of shafted them by abandoning the 64 bit rewrite of Carbon.

From John Nack's blog:

Well yes, apart from when you remember why carbon was made in the first place. :rolleyes:

You know, for helping ease over from Classic application development. Its been how long now... nearly a decade? Maybe if it was under 5 years but Adobe has had 9 freaken years.

Adobe is the kind of company that needs to be pushed for them to do anything new. Hence the lackluster CS upgrades.
 

JFreak

macrumors 68040
Jul 11, 2003
3,146
2
Tampere, Finland
This whole mess just sounds so flaky. So much for the "it just works" moto. Sounds like the annoyance and grief you'd get from using Windows.

Adobe's mess, Adobe's licensing system, seems like they're going the MS way (cracked versions work better because licensing is disabled)...
 

Maximara

macrumors 68000
Jun 16, 2008
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CQd44

macrumors 6502a
Jul 27, 2009
630
0
Edinburg, Texas
This whole mess just sounds so flaky. So much for the "it just works" moto. Sounds like the annoyance and grief you'd get from using Windows.

I've no grief with my windows :[
Well, in Windows 7 the ability to have live output with screen capture programs doesn't work... but that's about it.

Also Creative is pretty stupid with their product line ("only our newest cards have stereo mix recording enabled blah blah even though it worked perfectly fine in xp..."), but eh. I don't use Creative.
 

Maximara

macrumors 68000
Jun 16, 2008
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One more lame example of manufacturers trying to force consumers to buy, buy, buy. Software that works now should keep working. Just because I buy a new desk doesn't mean I should have to get a new ruler and pen. Apple should make sure their new OS doesn't break old software, all the way back to Classic and beyond. Apple's abandonment of Classic is a tragedy. There is a tremendous amount of software, including educational software, that was available for that that is no longer made and there are no replacements. Adobe's just being greedy and lazy.

In all fairness to Apple as well as they made Classic work it was a band aid over a gaping wound.

Back when Apple was still trying to make Copland work our Mac club (Las Cruces Apple Users Group) was visited by a Apple Rep who explained that the then current OS was a wild patchwork quilt of 68000 assembly, Pascal, and C+ code with a many key parts "black box' ie no one knew why it was there anymore but when they removed it the system did a major crash and they couldn't find what was making calls to that piece of code.

So just getting Classic to run under OSX was enough of a project. Sheep Shaver gives an indication of how just how hard trying to get 8.1 or earlier to run on Intel is--there is just enough bizarreness going on that even things written by Apple (like Quicktime) either freeze the emulated system or bomb.

I miss not being able to play some of my Classic games but there are DOS games that will not run on any Windows system past 95 and many 3.1 games that did not like Vista at all.
 

AidenShaw

macrumors P6
Feb 8, 2003
18,667
4,675
The Peninsula
I miss not being able to play some of my Classic games but there are DOS games that will not run on any Windows system past 95 and many 3.1 games that did not like Vista at all.

FYI, note that Vista x64 cannot run 16-bit code, so Win 3.1 and DOS are definitely not working on Vista x64.

Vista x86 is able to run 16-bit code, so at least there's a possibility on x86.
 

Maximara

macrumors 68000
Jun 16, 2008
1,707
908
I purchased Adobe Creative Suite 3 not long ago and it works fine with Leopard 10.5.8 - I was however thinking of upgrading to Snow Leopard.. After reading about Adobe not supporting or upgrading such a recent version of CS I am dissappointed and think I will just stick with 10.5.8.. For that matter other software has limitations as well with Snow Leopard - I use Office 2008 (yes I know, I am a previous PC user and had so many excel and word documents it made sense to - Without running Windows on my macs..) and I believe that is limited or very slow. Also other software I use like Eizo Colour Navigator, Eye1 Match, Profile Maker I have know idea if they will work after an upgrade..
I am sticking with Leopard for the moment...

I am able to run Office 2004 on SL (I installed Rosetta) so if something that old runs on it (and it seems to run faster to boot) you should have not problems with a more recent version of Office. I can't speak to the other software but unless it is calling to some really weird APIs it should run.
 

electroshock

macrumors 6502a
Sep 7, 2009
641
0
Apparently CS3 does not like OS upgrades :p

Not sure I could say that's the case. :) I upgraded to SL (after doing stuff like a TM backup, naturally) and CS3 sailed through without any problems. I ran every app in CS3 and did some quick work - didn't see any issues.

So I'm not sure why your CS3 installation on SL didn't work post-OS upgrade. Hmm. Got me there.
 

Maximara

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Jun 16, 2008
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FYI, note that Vista x64 cannot run 16-bit code, so Win 3.1 and DOS are definitely not working on Vista x64.

Vista x86 is able to run 16-bit code, so at least there's a possibility on x86.

Vista x64 will even barf on 32-bit kernel drivers and 64-bit :eek: unsigned drivers

If Vista X86 was anything like XP the steps to get some of that old software to run reminds me of either very old or somewhat badly written Mac programs.

The original Cap'n Magneto certainly had "Run in 640 × 480 screen resolution" issues but most programmers figured out that detecting and changing to the proper color mode was a little brighter than relying on a "Run in 256 colors" mode.

It makes sense if you want to install somewhere that you don't want people to bypass (like an virus scanner) but to have a Privilege level setting to allow a program just to run makes me wonder just what the blazes the programmer was doing.
 

AidenShaw

macrumors P6
Feb 8, 2003
18,667
4,675
The Peninsula

Yes, like Apple OS 10.6, Windows requires x64 drivers for the x64 kernel - so Microsoft and Apple are on the same page here. If you choose to run the x64 kernel, you need x64 drivers for eveything.

(Microsoft also requires that the box contains x64 drivers in order to get the "works on Vista" sticker on the box - so not much of an issue with new hardware.)

I'm happy that Vista x64 requires signed drivers - better security is a good thing (and, of course, I can turn it off if I really want to run without blade guards). (I've only turned it off in virtual machines - a great way of sandboxing stuff that you don't want to have access to your real machine.)
 
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