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The price tag is humongous. I do like photoshop a lot - but $200 upgrade price for 'three' hot new features is asking too much. That is why it is almost nonexistent outside corporate world/creative industry as a legit app (I know a lot of hobbyists and enthusiasts do acquire it and use it by other means 
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).I long for the days of Macromedia...
Oh well. I am going to give Pixelmator a go and try to get better at Gimp. I really want to break any dependence on Adobe like i did with MS in 2005.
Oh well. I am going to give Pixelmator a go and try to get better at Gimp. I really want to break any dependence on Adobe like i did with MS in 2005.
Thanks for pointing that one - will try it out before I put in the order for CS5 today.
The price tag is humongous. I do like photoshop a lot - but $200 upgrade price for 'three' hot new features is asking too much. That is why it is almost nonexistent outside corporate world/creative industry as a legit app (I know a lot of hobbyists and enthusiasts do acquire it and use it by other means
So...it's Adobe's fault that people pirate their software? Riiiiiiight.
Who would waste there time with this bloated crapware?
There are other and less expensive alternatives to CS whatever.
Leave the "trails" and the Suites alone, nothing but a Lazy greedy group nowadays. Their prices reflect how much they care about there consumers.
Instead of Boycott flash I say, Boycott the entire company until they change their attitude.
There are other and less expensive alternatives to CS whatever.
Leave the "trails" and the Suites alone, nothing but a Lazy greedy group nowadays. Their prices reflect how much they care about there consumers.
Instead of Boycott flash I say, Boycott the entire company until they change their attitude.
There's also GIMP, which works really well on a Mac.
The only reason I'm looking forward to CS5 is because at work we have the Adobe maintenance contract and we'll be getting it "for free." CS4 has been a nightmare on our Macs, one of the most bug-ridden set of programs we've ever used. It was a shock to me, because we had upgraded from CS and from Flash MX-2004, which were both rock-solid. I couldn't believe what a mess CS4 was. Hopefully CS5 will fix a lot of those problems, but I'm not holding my breath.
I'm really surprised that no one else has come up with a decent multimedia creation tool. The few that are out there, like eZedia and Quickmovie, require special plug-ins to work with different platforms. One of the only good things about Flash is how prevalent it is. I'm going to have to bone up on HTML5....
I wish I could get a PS upgrade for only $200!The price tag is humongous. I do like photoshop a lot - but $200 upgrade price for 'three' hot new features is asking too much. That is why it is almost nonexistent outside corporate world/creative industry as a legit app (I know a lot of hobbyists and enthusiasts do acquire it and use it by other means
I'm living in Switzerland and currently own CS3 Design Premium. With this constellation an upgrade to PS CS5 will cost $1365 incl. tax!
Yes,we all know cs5 is expensive but it is intended for use by professionals who make more than enough to cover it's costs. Anyone who is suggesting that any other program like gimp or pixelmator can even come close to ps's capabilites probably are not in photoshop's target market. For example, I don't think either of he apps has cmyk support, let alone color management capabilities, making them totally useless in a prfofessional setting where work is printed.
Also, there is no reason to obsess over which apps are 64bit. All of the ones that could possibly use that much ram are and Apple is to blame for it taking this long since they scrapped 64bit carbon, requiring adobe to rewrite the entire interface. Other apps will probably go 64bit in the future but rewriting all of the CS programs' interfaces in cocoa would not make sense at this point since thr performance gains would be minimal at best. In fact ars technica's review says that the cocoa (64bit) version of cs5 is less responsive in some ways, such as zooming.
And why is everyone so hung up on Photoshop? Sure it's fun to play with and incredibly powerful but Photoshop is only one CS app, and there are notable improvements in all of them. I can't wait to try out the new version of indesign, which has a new control scheme to make layouts much easier to tweak. I'll probably pick up cs5 in the fall, after I drop 8 gigs of ram in my mbp and some software updates have come out for it.
It's also funny to see a bunch of mac users complaining that stuff is too expensive.
Also, there is no reason to obsess over which apps are 64bit. All of the ones that could possibly use that much ram are and Apple is to blame for it taking this long since they scrapped 64bit carbon, requiring adobe to rewrite the entire interface. Other apps will probably go 64bit in the future but rewriting all of the CS programs' interfaces in cocoa would not make sense at this point since thr performance gains would be minimal at best. In fact ars technica's review says that the cocoa (64bit) version of cs5 is less responsive in some ways, such as zooming.
And why is everyone so hung up on Photoshop? Sure it's fun to play with and incredibly powerful but Photoshop is only one CS app, and there are notable improvements in all of them. I can't wait to try out the new version of indesign, which has a new control scheme to make layouts much easier to tweak. I'll probably pick up cs5 in the fall, after I drop 8 gigs of ram in my mbp and some software updates have come out for it.
It's also funny to see a bunch of mac users complaining that stuff is too expensive.
Adobe is getting expensive.....
Upgrade $599, full version $1,899 for CS5. That is way out of my budget, thus why I use Photoshop elements and the tools that are in iphoto. I am still on vesion 6 of photoshop elements and do not feel the need to upgrade.
Upgrade $599, full version $1,899 for CS5. That is way out of my budget, thus why I use Photoshop elements and the tools that are in iphoto. I am still on vesion 6 of photoshop elements and do not feel the need to upgrade.
Not at all. I wish people would just out and try/buy one of the very capable Adobe alternatives out there.
You do have to admit thought that Adobe is working hard to price themselves out of sales.
I'm with you. Adobe has been riding the PS bandwagon for a long time. In corner cases that mostly effect professionals PS can be required, but for everyone else there are very good alternatives out there that can be had for much much less cost. Pixelmator is a great example of a low cost very capable imaging editing software.
I hope Adobe makes it as hard as possible to pirate their software to force people to look elsewhere. It's only way to really get people onto the alternatives, and once on they will never look back.
Ugh, did they actually raise the prices again? $1900 is obscene. Yes, I need this software to make my living, but my margins are thin, and honestly I spend much more time mucking about with code than in Photoshop or Illustrator.
I'm moving from PPC to Intel this spring, so I have to get a new version... and my old license won't upgrade. They dropped the student pricing from 33% of the normal pricing to 25%. It's going to be seriously tempting to try to find someone to get me that student price.
I'm moving from PPC to Intel this spring, so I have to get a new version... and my old license won't upgrade. They dropped the student pricing from 33% of the normal pricing to 25%. It's going to be seriously tempting to try to find someone to get me that student price.
Those who need it?
Sure... All those professionals out there must be so stupid buying it. Lucky you are superior and provide us your wisdom. A real enrichment...
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While that's true, you should read "The Innovators Dilemma" sometime. Adobe may be okay with letting those other programs pick up the customers they don't want right now, but those programs are getting better all the time and eventually will become 'good enough' for many of Adobes current customers. It happens so often in business (and especially in technology) that is surprises me that so many businesses ignore it when it's happening to them.
I totally agree with you. Fireworks is the perfect app for web UI design, but Adobe treat it like the proverbial red headed step child. They have been lazy with Fireworks no doubt. They keep trying to force us into super heavy non-pages PhotoShop. Slices are a joy in Fireworks. Symbols are a joy in Fireworks.
GIMP at least is still SO far behind it's probably a decade away from being serious competition. In the photography space, it's actually fairly capable, but in the design space, it just doesn't have the things Photoshop users need, like editable vector layers, layer effects... even its handling of text is MUCH clunkier. Adobe's been moving slowly lately, but I'd still be more productive in Photoshop 6 than in GIMP.
And even for photography, my understanding is that it's pretty decent for color adjustments and stuff (which is fine if you're a landscape or street photographer) but isn't such a hot tool for retouching (think about what percentage of users are actually shooting models for catalogs and ads and such).
"All new features in FCP, since FCP 5 onward, have been written in Cocoa - HDV Log and Capture, Log and Transfer, Multicam, FXplug (that I know of) are all Cocoa. OS X lets programmers mix and match programming languages with ease. My guess is that Apple, like Adobe, would have continued with a hybrid approachwith Final Cut Pro if the 64 bit Carbon APIs were going to be available. When they were not, the Pro Apps team, like Adobe, would have to have started porting their application to Cocoa. CS4 showed none of that progress, being released less than 2 years after the 07 WWDC announcement."
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"Most of the FC Studio applications are new enough to have been written in Cocoa - the second revision of DVD Studio Pro (Spruce, not the Astarte-based DVD SP 1); Motion, LiveType, Soundtrack Pro and Compressor are all pure Cocoa applications and can (relatively) easily take advantage of 64 bit and/or Snow Leopard features like Grand Central Dispatch. I say relatively because there is still work to be done, that generally cant start until Snow Leopards features are locked (i.e. WWDC 2009)."
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I know its just easier to be cynical about Apple, but they literally run and develop their own self sustained technological eco-system. Absolute rewrites aren't going to happen overnight. Or at all, something like FCS or Logic is going to be done in chunks. They aren't a Demi-God, capable of slowing down the sun with flax.
It would've been nice if it actually worked the way it was shown. It would've made me buy a PS license instead of a PM license.
can't wait until my CS5 Web Premium arrives.
Photoshop was never a Macromedia product. Photoshop and Illustrator are straight-up Adobe since the late 80s.
Photoshop was never a Macromedia product. Photoshop and Illustrator are straight-up Adobe since the late 80s.
Yeah, but at least when Macromedia was around Adobe had a modicum of competition. Fireworks had some advantages for web design, and I've known people who preferred Freehand to Illustrator.
Now that there's no Macromedia to worry about, Adobe can make buggy products that barely change at all between versions, and charge the sun, moon and stars for them... and we poor stupid customers have no choice but to pony up.
Acutally the company where I work is quite happy with CorelDRAW Graphic Suite and QuarkXpress combo.
We updated to the CS4 Master Collection about a year ago. In our business, the cost of upgrading within the same year is too much to justify. We have to go about every 2-3 versions to warrant an upgrade.
I guess you can charge that much when you're really the only game left. I too miss Macromedia. Their products weren't bad and at least it was competition for Adobe. If you're a creative professional, what are your choices? There are other, less expensive tools, but not on the same level.
I guess you can charge that much when you're really the only game left. I too miss Macromedia. Their products weren't bad and at least it was competition for Adobe. If you're a creative professional, what are your choices? There are other, less expensive tools, but not on the same level.
