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Adobe Discontinues Development of Flash Player on Mobile Devices

Kenrik said:
Why would you need flash anyway? everything Flash was good at has been replaced by HTML 5...

Actionscript - was just Javascript repacked anyway.

Animation - heard of Hype? Seriously you can do some great animations with the same basic interface as flash.

Video - HTML 5 Video tag.

Why do we need flash?
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You don't understand what you're talking about. It's ok. Many people don't. You don't understand what HTML5 can and can't do vs what Flash can and can't do.

You also clearly don't understand that HTML5 right now has no standards. Good luck making things cross-browser friendly.
 
Daveoc64 said:
I'm not trying to say anything like that.

A poster implied that Flash differs from HTML5 because it's not interpreted.
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That poster would be me then. You compared Flash to HTML. You said that HTML could be discontinued by the same argument (old and slow) an argument made by the poster you quoted. I went on to say that HTML in it self is not slow, since it's just markup.
 
Daveoc64 said:
That feature will be possible with HTML5 (again, more specifically with JavaScript), so I wouldn't get too cocky.
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FTA:

Using an SWF file hosted on Adobe's servers to modify Flash Player settings instead of a local interface is something that has generated problems before. For example, privacy advocates have complained in the past that this makes clearing Local Shared Objects (LSOs), commonly known as Flash cookies, difficult and confusing.
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HTML5 will allow Adobe to control HTML5 settings via Adobe servers vs. having the configuration managed locally? I don't think so.
 
[/COLOR]Next step: get Netflix to drop Silverlight on their online streaming. That's one of the reasons we left those fools. I don't want a retarded Microsoft plugin just to watch an H.264 video. I bet MS paid them for that. I've heard some horror stories about Microsoft plugins on Firefox that datamined, and at the very least, it is super inefficient.[/QUOTE]

Silverlight works pretty well. very well, in fact. I am no lover of Microsoft but it is great at streaming video. (usually)
 
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Juan007 said:
Two years ago, Steve Jobs said "Flash sucks on mobile devices". Adobe whined, screamed, bitched and moaned about it.

Today, Adobe just said "Flash sucks on mobile devices".
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+1

Very plus one in fact.
 
subsonix said:
That poster would be me then. You compared Flash to HTML. You said that HTML could be discontinued by the same argument (old and slow) an argument made by the poster you quoted. I went on to say that HTML in it self is not slow, since it's just markup.
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When I say HTML, and when most people say HTML these days (particularly HTML5) they are including other web standards like JavaScript, CSS3, SVG etc. in with that.

HTML is useless for building web applications without these other tools.

You are correct that HTML is only basic markup so shouldn't pose a problem for speed, but JavaScript is just as old as HTML 2.0, so I feel my point is still valid.
 
John.B said:
FTA:



HTML5 will allow Adobe to control HTML5 settings via Adobe servers vs. having the configuration managed locally? I don't think so.
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You don't understand what that's saying.

Before Flash Player 10.3 you had to configure some of Flash Player's settings through a tool on the Adobe site.

With Flash Player 10.3 and higher you can do this in System Preferences or Control Panel on your computer.

It's not saying that Adobe (as a company) has the power to control your settings, simply that the interface to control it was accessed by going to the adobe website (http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager02.html#118539)


The configuration has always been stored locally. This approach was criticised because very few people knew how to access the configuration site.

In terms of HTML5, it's up to the browser how they request permission from the user for a specific feature, but I think that people could still be tricked.
 
LOL - where's flexengineer (e.g., read this thread) when you need him/her?

So far as I am concerned I do not miss Flash on my iPhone, and I hate it on my iMac. It seems to me that Flash's only purpose is to allow companies to store a super-cookie on people's computers without their knowledge and to make web browsing feel like an Android experience. Good riddance!
 
Piggie said:
You won't find anyone who wants to dump old tech and more forward onto better things than me.

I'd be happy if iPad3 did not run any iPad1 or 2 code if it made iPad3 better.
I always want to move forward onto better things.

My problem is, I'm not at all convinced (and I get the feeling that people who know what they are REALLY talking about) are not convinced HTML5 is the way forward either.

It feels like it's just a poor alternative.

Can't the answer be to create a new very lean and mean, very very advanced and powerful Flash alternative that all machines can run, and we can all move forward onto that?

Im sure if HTML5 was as great as the Flash haters say it was, everyone would be falling over themselves to use this new ultra fast code.
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Depends. Would Adobe control this imaginary "very lean and mean, very very advanced and powerful Flash alternative that all machines can run"? ;)

Seriously, isn't that what HTML5 is designed to do? (When Adobe employees aren't subverting the standards process, that is.)

The losers here are the guys who are overpaid to make animated mortgage refinance ads in Flash, the marketing guys who invented that "the whole web" campaign and the Fandroids who bought into it, and all the phone and tablet manufacturers who trusted Adobe when Adobe said they were in it for the long haul... Long term, everyone else wins.
 
godknows said:
I'd say they better come up with a Flash killer quick before someone else does.

There is certainly a kinda similar market with Google pushing Dart and other things Javascript cannot yet achieve.
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There's already HTML5

It's proven to perform great, works flawlessly.
 
Steve was right. Again. And, although he was always been right, people objected his opinion for flash. Now even adobe agrees with him. If this is not another personal victory...
 
faroZ06 said:
I used to have this thing that made my Youtube videos run in Quicktime instead of Flash or HTML5. What's wrong with Quicktime for videos??
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QuickTime is probably the player plugin that activates to play a video when you download one from a website.

Kind of a throwback to the old days when you would simply link to a raw .mpg video and hope the user's browser knew what to do.
 
Juan007 said:
Two years ago, Steve Jobs said "Flash sucks on mobile devices". Adobe whined, screamed, bitched and moaned about it.

Today, Adobe just said "Flash sucks on mobile devices".
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No one likes being told their baby is ugly. However after Adobe got over it they have moved aggressively to support what is "next" even before this announcement (conversion tools, native iOS apps etc.). I really commend them on that.
 
Mattsasa said:
Flash is dead!!!!!!

This is a good day for consumers world wide!!!!

Rejoice!
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Yeah, sure. The next time you download a game like RoboKill from Apple's AppStore, you might want to think about what was used to create it.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/robokill/id408858081?mt=8

This beauty was written in Flash - and I'm pretty sure none of you guys will notice it.

Here comes another awesome example for the great things that can be done with Flash when you not let a total moron use it:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/machinarium/id459189186?mt=8

Machinarium is also available in the Mac AppStore.

Jobs' real motivation to keep Flash away from his iGadgets was not the claimed poor performance and age of the technology, he simply wanted to make it as hard as possible for developers to create multi-platform content. But as these gems and the birth of tools like the Corona SDK demonstrate, that plan did not work out.

Anyway, in a year or two most of the Flash haters here will hate HTML5 with the same passion they hated Flash -- because by then, all those blockable Flash ads will have been converted to non-blockable HTML5 content. And that will be an amazing victory for users world wide. Or not.
 
Too bad Adobe had to wait until after Steve died to finally kill what they already knew was dead. Pride.
 
Daveoc64 said:
When I say HTML, and when most people say HTML these days (particularly HTML5) they are including other web standards like JavaScript, CSS3, SVG etc. in with that.
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I already agreed with you on the common (incorrect) umbrella use of the HTML5 term. It's no big deal though, I just felt like nit-picking. :cool:

Daveoc64 said:
You are correct that HTML is only basic markup so shouldn't pose a problem for speed, but JavaScript is just as old as HTML 2.0, so I feel my point is still valid.
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Well, the difference is that there are several players who are making and improving on javascript interpreters (Nitro, V8 etc), instead of just one proprietary entity.
 
Winni said:
Anyway, in a year or two most of the Flash haters here will hate HTML5 with the same passion they hated Flash -- because by then, all those blockable Flash ads will have been converted to non-blockable HTML5 content. And that will be an amazing victory for users world wide. Or not.
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Why would it be unblockable? I can block anything I want on any web page with a proper filter, what would be different?
 
Apple has already acknowledged this move of Adobe on their homepage...

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