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Adobe Discontinues Development of Flash Player on Mobile Devices
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You are missing the point, Flash without it's major selling point would not be running in the browser.
Not really. It is easier to be careless (or "a moron", like the original poster said) in a platform with Garbage Collection, like Java and Flash, than in a non-GC one, like Objective-C (in iOS). Makes somewhat more sense than the inclusion of letters, methinks.
But I already said I don't really expect that to be the reason.
"The web doesn't run on my phone"? What does that even mean? HTML5/JavaScript does run on my phone, like Java would.
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Microsoft already tried and they couldn't, even during Apple's darkest hours in the late 90's.
(oh hey, while we're at it, did you know that anyway QuickTime is already immortalized in the MPEG4 standard? just thought you would hate to know that
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Two things, in case Flash haters didn't notice, Flash player 11.1 WILL stay on mobile browsers with support for bugs/security updates on existing devices. They will just not develop new versions for new devices. BUT new devices surely will run previous 11.1 version. So who said Flash was dead?? This means, Flash stays, in case you missed the point. They just want to focus on HTML5.
Second, please read the last paragraph, and that's the funny one, do you know what that means? They will allow third parties to develop further implementations.
In case you don't trust the source, it comes directly from Adobe blog:
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html
For any webmaster, there's no point in continuing with Flash, unless you're fine with the knowledge that you'll be ailenating your site from millions of eyes who are running iOS or something else, especially when it comes to video.
There's some epic 'claim chowder' over at Daring Fireball, by the way.
There's some epic 'claim chowder' over at Daring Fireball, by the way.
Pray tell, who is forced to run Flash ? Last I checked, it's optional on every device it supports.
Those millions you're talking about is peanuts to the people that can actually view the videos.For any webmaster, there's no point in continuing with Flash, unless you're fine with the knowledge that you'll be ailenating your site from millions of eyes who are running iOS or something else, especially when it comes to video.
There's some epic 'claim chowder' over at Daring Fireball, by the way.
Jobs Killer. (no pun intended)
Thanx Apple.
You just killed 100's of thousands of other Flash developers jobs for crappy html 5 which sends us back to the days of "why does it work in Firefox but not IE and the video works in Safari but not in Chrome."
Thanx Apple.
You just killed 100's of thousands of other Flash developers jobs for crappy html 5 which sends us back to the days of "why does it work in Firefox but not IE and the video works in Safari but not in Chrome."
So, the owners of Flash "just" want to stop developement of Flash in the fastest growing market... to better focus on the technology that is stealing that market. Yeah, doesn't sound like a death knell to me. At all.
Meanwhile, it will be interesting to see how Flash developers take that. Will they try to stay compatible to version 11.1, ignoring later versions? Will they accept the loss and forget about mobile Flash? ... or, oh my gosh, will they switch to something that would cater to everyone? Like, say, ... HTML5?
(I wouldn't want to end this paragraph without throwing the "Fragmentation!" word
)Yep, they had contracts in place with some licensees and they are honoring them. Can you imagine the turmoil if they didn't?
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That's not true, Flash keeps in full development for PC desktops, and for mobile native apps with AIR. And google Stage3D to know some of the future plans of Flash.
Wait. You're defending Flash on mobile? Really?Those millions you're talking about is peanuts to the people that can actually view the videos.
While you and I know that. All clients read is No more Flash.
Just as most on this board thought Flash CS5 was the same as the flash plugin, people high in companies who get info from their 13 year olds who build websites with "i" something will say "Oh no ALL Flash is dead. Go HTML 5"
Seen it happen before
Nah, as a developer I wouldn't worry, it's not new to me that Flash was being pushed away from web, I have many clients who have been asking for a while for HTML websites rather than Flash websites. Fair enough, been practical we do most websites in HTML. To be honest if you ask me I would recommend HTML websites, but not now, not today cos this announcement, it's been a while.
Where Flash out-stands over HTML5 is games, presentations, ... lot of things HTML5 will never be able to do efficiently yet, and when that time comes, Flash will be miles away again. See for example Stage3D, tell me when HTML5 will be able to access the GPU directly.
People here is celebrating Flash is dead, well, ok, good luck with that. Flash is definitively not dead, Flash plugin 11.1 will be even been maintained on mobile browsers. And lot of companies are already using Flash + AIR to generate iOS and Android applications.
You as a developer if worried, don't, it's just Actionscript, who cares if instead of a website is a game? or a presentation? or an application? Besides, website development in Flash sucks, you can have more fun whilst being paid doing games.
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Funny thing is people don't know, but JWPlayer for example has been out for a while and support both Flash and HTML5.
This announcement changes nothing, apart from Flash haters celebrating.
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When you can make a HTML5-compatible streaming-platform with DRM-capabilities without Flash and Silverlight, you'll be a filthy rich man.
And while you both know it, Adobe is busy "focusing themselves" on HTML5 and away from Flash.
Again, you are wrong. Adobe is focusing in HTML5 for web (hence Adobe Edge, please google) and also focusing Flash on gaming industry, where it really belongs if you ask me (hence Stage3D).
Flash is not going away, live with that.
The only good thing out of this so far is Adobe's resurrection Live Motion as Adobe Edge. Hopefully this time they will make the timeline closer to After effects
Or is it another marketing release of an old app that makes you think thats its new? They should fix After Effects first before making something quite not like it
Or is it another marketing release of an old app that makes you think thats its new? They should fix After Effects first before making something quite not like it
Adobe Edge is in beta, and been available long before this announcement, you can download and try:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/edge/
I've seen it in action, is basically Flash/Director timeline with layers, scripting in Javascript, and code generated is HTML + jQuery
I'm really glad Flash moves away from web, as said before, develop websites in Flash really sucks! Go games!!
Yes, that is the tasty part: Adobe is therefore surrendering on Flash on its very kingdom. (on mobile at least, but let's see how that pans out). Spin it as you want.
Who cares where it goes. Be as AIR applications or to be compiled to other platforms (google those options), users should not even notice how an app was created. Flash will be (just) one more option in that space.
I'll try in earnest.
Meanwhile, I'd recommend getting rid of that attachment to Flash. You know, just in case.
No attachment whatsoever, just telling the guys here Flash is definitively no dead. I don't care if it moves away from web, actually I'm happy. Finally it focus on games, where it always has belonged.
But yeah, if you ask me, I'm also an iOS developer, but no attachments either!