In a sense that describes me as well. I see Apple's direction in OSX, apps and even computers are such that its leaving me out in the cold. I love my rMBP - its a great laptop but I'm not about to spend 2k on my next laptop. As for OS X - I'm not seeing much in Yosemite that is a draw. Their treatment of Aperture is such that I am actively laying the groundwork to migrate my images over to LR.
I've taken a few days to digest my feelings because I didn't want my anger and disappointment to color my opinion but all in all, I have trouble with trusting in apple for any application needs from now on.
They just announced huge updates to OS X and iOS.
Again people, those you mentioned were silent updates. Let's wait for official announcements at the events in September/October before we bitch and moan.
Do you really think Steve Jobs was the only person who knew how to run a company?
I have already paid for the camera and the mac. I don't want to pay to keep my photos organized.
I have already paid for the camera and the mac. I don't want to pay to keep my photos organized.
Who cares that it's smaller when all the insides are now connected by a rat's nest of cables to a bunch of boxes that used to be neatly tucked away inside the tower case.
Prediction: Apple will acquire Adobe.
Good grief. Just click the arrows if you want to see the photo unencumbered.
Oh no some people use a tool badly, blame the tool. Not that you necessarily know what tool was used.It seems a lot of photographers, especially the 'prosumers' use Lightroom as a sort of glorified with horrible presents slapped on to any image arbitrarily.
I think when people say this sort of thing they are talking of of their posterior.I think when this happens images can kind of look 'Lightroomy'.
Just like the pointless tabs in Aperture, which basically do the same thing with the same single click. Don't really notice any difference between the two paradigms myself. You click on tab/module, you get new tools.I also think Lightroom interface with it's pointless modules is bonkers. Aperture was much better in this regard even though it had failed to keep pace with features.
So you have no idea how to use LR and are slagging it off. Nice one.
All tools can be hidden away and can be revealed with a mouse over, a click or keyboard shortcut at your preference. So a very clutter free environment and the 'flourishes' can be hidden or customised.
The photo organisation is actually very good, maybe if you learnt to use the software rather than blindly attack it, you may realise how good it is.
Yet having 'critical' bits on 3 sides and last century style pallets floating at random places over the images is OK? Any way the navigation is done with arrows, mouse, trackpad etc, I don't use the panels for navigation myself. In fact I had to try and think if you could, you can, but why bother when there are easier methods?Or maybe just get an interface designer so I don't have to keep rolling over to show/hide critical pieces of nav because you stuck them on all 4 sides. Good grief.
Except it doesn't. There's no getting away from extra cables and enclosures which cannot possibly be neater than all the same bits in one [more compact overall] case.You can have just the Mac Pro on the desk and the external stuff anywhere you want in your desk or even in another room. The image is a bit deceiving. It ends up being cleaner if you do it right.
You can add PCI slots via a Thunderbolt connector to a PCI enclosure, so more things attached to the nMP. Therefore even more clutter. Just like in the pretty accurate image.One of the big problems is that the new Mac Pro has no PCIe slots, so you can't install any cards like the GPU and special sound cards. My 2008 Mac Pro was able to accept a GTX 650Ti Boost to replace the slow and dying ATI 2600.
Almost what you asked for.So aside from the "cool factor", I'd rather have 2013 Mac Pro hardware in a 2012 Mac Pro case.
Except it doesn't. There's no getting away from extra cables and enclosures which cannot possibly be neater than all the same bits in one [more compact overall] case.
You can add PCI slots via a Thunderbolt connector to a PCI enclosure, so more things attached to the nMP. Therefore even more clutter. Just like in the pretty accurate image.
Almost what you asked for.![]()
Yet floating palletes [see screenshot] over the image is OK, even in full screen mode?I use it. I have for years. I personally hate it. Assume much? Any app which has hundreds of web pages devoted to "simplifying your Lightroom interface" is a fail. Its a photo editing app. Call me crazy, but the photo should be reasonably unencumbered. Aperture was far more elegant.
Learn to use it properly then. Collections are basically the same as Albums, both can be smart or Dumb and projects are basically folders but are called projects instead.Organization wise it's great for people who love that endless folder structure. I just want a tidy bundle. Currently it feels messy and makes my head hurt.
Correcting people on their inaccurate statements is not necessarily being defensive. There are millions of web pages for everything you can think of, doesn't mean much a lot of the time, particularly in this case. LR's interface doesn't need simplifying as that would only make it harder to use, it can already be very pared down and minimal. People do need to learn to use it better that's for sure and the following is about all you need to know about the interface and showing UI parts.You're pretty defensive about that app. Some people will dislike it (plenty, actually). That doesn't mean they're ripe for a flaming.
With all due respect, I think you're getting all worked up prematurely…
So, "IF LR6 is standalone"—stop right there. Problem solved. Buy it, "own" it, use it until you die. Where'e the problem?
Mines prety quiet.There's no viable or cheap Thunderbolt to PCIe solution yet, especially for high-end GPUs. But the new Mac Pro can be neater than the old one since it's a small, quiet cylinder instead of a big, slightly noisy box. Either way, you still need cables going to it if you intend to use even one USB device. You can bundle cables together, so it'll look pretty much the same to have lots of cables rather than a few.
Open a computer or an enclosure makes no difference. And why would I put my HDs in a room other than my office? Back up HDs yes, but placing noisy enclosures in other rooms is not a good solution.If you want to change a hard drive, you don't have to open the computer. If you don't want to hear the sounds from the drives, you can put them inside somewhere insulated or in another room. I love the eSATA speed of all my hard drives in my Mac Pro, but I wish I could swap them more easily.
I saw a mock up of a nMP inside a MP tower case style design, but now can't find it.That new Mac Pro server rack is hilarious![]()
This is exactly why many businesses use Windows. MS does its best to not break compatibility and supports legacy systems/software. Whereas Apple don't care as breaking things means you need to upgrade and buy new hardware.I guess you've only used Mac for a few years. I have some software that was optimised for Mountain Lion, but could not work with Mavericks, and I had to buy the new edition. That's just one example. There are tons of examples of software that is broken with each new iteration of OSX. Even with Aperture, Apple is promising to update it to work with Yosemite, because, as is, Aperture probably will not work with Yosemite.
Hence, in response to what seemed to you as a no-brainer, today's LR5, if I cannot get updates later on, may not even work on Yosemite, let alone Macs in a few decades time. And I want to access my photos in a few decades time, particularly the edits I've made over the decades.
I think your reply is an example that society is filled with people who think short term but don't realise that they are essential short term thinking people. If there were no people like you who make up the majority, then the majority of society would not be short term thinkers. I mean, since the majority of society are short term thinkers, who think they're not, there must be lots of people on this forum who are like that.
'Shift + F' cycles through the screen modes to hide the chrome. I leave it on the minimal setting as Menu will appear if you need it on mouseover and 'F' will toggle completely full screen.
Set top/bottom panel to autohide, appear on mouse over or mouse click according to taste. I have show on mouse click and then autohide as I rarely use them. Or use f5 + f6 to toggle them on/off
Tab clears/reveals the main side panels and F7 + F8 does them individually. Or set them to autohide etc as with top/bottom panel.
't' toggles tool bar - rarely use it myself and '\' toggles filter bar.
Finally 'L' toggles through lights out mode so you can reveal/dim/hide the chrome.
Thanks for the tips. I had a bad taste in my mouth from Lightroom 1 on and it's never gone away. Obviously I have to learn it now. Maybe it'll grow on me. Anyhow...thanks for the info.![]()
There are a lot of articles covering this already. Essentially you want to export your entire Aperture library, which is a built-in feature. If you have RAW or are worried about losing metadata, make sure to export with XMP sidecars. Lightroom will read those in and make the same adjustments.
Still, you'll lose facial recognition. No such feature in Lightroom, unfortunately.
I was a LR Beta tester back in the day. It was kinda rough back then, but they eventually got it right. I did have Aperture for a while and liked it, but I eventually migrated over to an all Adobe environment after I dropped Final Cut. I still use LR 3 (I now, so outdated) but it does what I need.
I've read the previous threads and it looks like if I want to upgrade to the latest version, it's cloud-based. I have no interest in that. I wonder if Adobe allows any kind of upgrade option for early adopters? Probably not...
Upgrading your hardware won't fix any compatibility issues between a new OS X version and legacy software though. On top of that I remember Adobe software having compatibility issues with new versions of Windows as well. In the end it's Adobe's choice to issue updates or not. Of course only providing said updates to the latest version will force people to buy (/subscribe to) new software if they want to use the latest OS X version. That's more money for Adobe, not Apple.This is exactly why many businesses use Windows. MS does its best to not break compatibility and supports legacy systems/software. Whereas Apple don't care as breaking things means you need to upgrade and buy new hardware.
If it means shoving Flash into a pit of lava, I'm all for it!
Yet having 'critical' bits on 3 sides and last century style pallets floating at random places over the images is OK? Any way the navigation is done with arrows, mouse, trackpad etc, I don't use the panels for navigation myself. In fact I had to try and think if you could, you can, but why bother when there are easier methods?
Now for all the slagging off of LR's terrible layout, confusing modules, useless organisation abilities, ugly UI and so on remember that the vast majority of photographers chose LR over Aperture, the programme that is being killed off. And it's incredibly well liked because it has made our lives as photographers so much easier. I'm certainly not saying it's without faults, but overall like PS before it they nailed the basics of how LR + PS should work in version 1.0 of both of these two quite different programmes.