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Adobe 'Doubling Down' on Lightroom in Wake of Apple's Aperture Announcement
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Are you losing focus Apple? (dont have anyone to hold your hand anymore?)
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Hey Apple, remember us?
The professionals that use your computers and love your software too!
And now you are telling us to go away and use the competitors software?
What is going on?
This gives me very little faith in the future of any of your software.
So perhaps Final Cut Pro X is on the chopping block next, maybe I should move to Adobe Premiere Pro and stop waisting my time?
You don't want to waist my time do you?
Please help me understand why youre doing this to us Apple
?
Hey Apple, remember us?
The professionals that use your computers and love your software too!
And now you are telling us to go away and use the competitors software?
What is going on?
This gives me very little faith in the future of any of your software.
So perhaps Final Cut Pro X is on the chopping block next, maybe I should move to Adobe Premiere Pro and stop waisting my time?
You don't want to waist my time do you?
Please help me understand why youre doing this to us Apple
One of the reasons why Apple got into the creative pro software business is because they were disappointed that other developers, like Adobe, where not making pro software that took advance of everything OS X had to offer. In that sense Aperture accomplished its mission by forcing companies like Adobe to come out with products like Lightroom for Mac OS X.
Agreed, but if Apple pulls the plug on a "Pro" application people use to make money with that will force people to rethink whether or not they trust Apple enough to commit to using their HW and SW. Heck, I've been debating whether or not to stick with OSX because it seems to me Apple's priority in the last few years has been iPhones, iPads, and iOS and they are focusing their resources from the traditional markets to developing those new markets (most likely due to high turnover vs. computers).
If the new Mini is an afterthought or a neutered A8-based computer then I'll assume Apple doesn't care about those markets and therefore they are dead to me...
First, I'll just put out here that I don't use Aperture.
It seems to me that if Aperture properly handles the type of files specific users want (presently) then perhaps staying with Aperture is not too bad a deal IF* there are 3rd party plug ins that fill the gap - Nik, OnOne and a few others seem to be well thought of.
As for me, I use Capture One and Photoshop 6, the former for images from my camera and the latter for both my images and then for photo restoration from other medium (photographs, film etc.).
So - any Aperture users planning to hold out with Aperture for the time being and consider using 3rd party plug ins?
It seems to me that if Aperture properly handles the type of files specific users want (presently) then perhaps staying with Aperture is not too bad a deal IF* there are 3rd party plug ins that fill the gap - Nik, OnOne and a few others seem to be well thought of.
As for me, I use Capture One and Photoshop 6, the former for images from my camera and the latter for both my images and then for photo restoration from other medium (photographs, film etc.).
So - any Aperture users planning to hold out with Aperture for the time being and consider using 3rd party plug ins?
yeah, I've been debating that as well - the problem just being that Windows 8 is totally and utterly unusable and Apple knows that. If Microsoft actually had a decent OS, things would look differently. But right now, people are moving TOWARDS Mac OS (hence the strong increase in Mac sales while PC sales have been decreasing at alarming rates) and not away from it. IF there were decent PC laptops and IF Windows 8 were halfway usable, I'd switch in a heartbeat. But the way things are now, I'm stuck with Mac OS (which I love).
Why do you say Windows 8 is totally and utterly unusable when clearly it is not?
1st thing I googled.
http://www.itpro.co.uk/desktop-software/21919/windows-81-vs-windows-7-which-is-best-for-you
Pro Photographer here. When Aperture was announced I was very excited as it looked like it would solve many of the issues that digital photography had. It looked like the sort of programme that if you were a PC user, it would be worth moving to Mac for. Then LR came out and was far more efficient so I ended up using that instead. It seems like most pros did the same as Aperture didn't save as much time/effort and because time is money.....
I think its sucks for those whose work depends on Aperture and all it is going to do is reduce the likelihood of pros of any kind buying more Macs in the future, since Apple are not to be trusted with anyone's business other than their own. They are a phone company now and the writing has been on the wall for content creators ever since they dropped the word computer from the company name.
Kickstarter campaign?
But seeing as Aperture is more linked into the OS than 3rd party programmes and Apple are so very secretive about what they do, letting someone else get their hands on their code, a bit unlikely.
In a sense that describes me as well. I see Apple's direction in OSX, apps and even computers are such that its leaving me out in the cold. I love my rMBP - its a great laptop but I'm not about to spend 2k on my next laptop. As for OS X - I'm not seeing much in Yosemite that is a draw. Their treatment of Aperture is such that I am actively laying the groundwork to migrate my images over to LR.
I've taken a few days to digest my feelings because I didn't want my anger and disappointment to color my opinion but all in all, I have trouble with trusting in apple for any application needs from now on.
I agree. To me Windows 8 is an absolute freaking disaster of an OS. Move the curser into a corner, switch between the afterthought tales and the desktop, etc. Gimme a break. Every time I use, I feel genuinely relieved to know, that at home I have my trusty OS X. If people like W8, good for them. Then they have options. Not for me. I absolutely *hate* it. And yes, I have used it extensively and no, I am not an
fanboy.
Not the case at all if you look at how LR/Shadowland evolved, LR was in development a long time before Aperture was released. Do you seriously think Adobe designed and wrote LR in a few weeks? Both companies were trying to solve the same problem and I also seem to recall, some Adobe developers went to Apple after Shadowland/LR had started progress.
One of the main issues with using the features of OSX is that companies like Adobe have no clue what Apple is doing as they keep everything to themselves which the Carbon/Cocoa debacle showed. This secrecy screwed up many software businesses as they had to rewrite all their code after Apple changed it's mind about how to proceed with OSX and didn't tell anyone until too late. Not to mention companies make products for platforms other than OSX and they need to work the same on both.
That's exactly what I'm going to do. Since Apple will apparently make sure that Aperture runs on Yosemite, I figure I have at least 15 months to decide. Now that Apple's plan to discontinue Aperture development is public knowledge, maybe we'll hear more about which Aperture tools will make it into Photos. It'd be helpful if Apple offered to let some Aperture users test Photos in a limited beta. Not their usual M.O., but they are doing it with Yosemite.
Personally speaking, I think Apple are trying to do too much. With the manpower and resources they have at this very moment, it's barely enough to drive the 'iOS' side of the business properly. For the last 6 years this is been their primary focus which is why OS X and other Apple software has been neglected or dumped.
Maybe when the new campus is up and running and they've been on a huge recruitment drive things will stop getting neglected. I think Apple will get back on track but it's going to be a number of years until they are ahead of the game in every area again.
I'm merely a creative "hobbyist" rather than "professional". My own DAM system is PhotoMechanic + whatever RAW converter seems appropriate for an image. Aperture has been great as both a RAW converter and as a base for using Nik/Topaz/OnOne plugins. Personally, I've always found LR's interface pig-ugly and I don't care for it's workflow, though I do own the product. All this to say that I don't have a lot to lose with Aperture as an application going away. But to me, here's what we know:
* Aperture, iPhoto, iPhoto streams are going away
* New Photos app replaces these and will import Aperture, iPhoto libraries
* New Photos app does have have at least some fine grained control over images if the screen shots floating around are to be believed
* Apple is NOT pointing people to Adobe (TechCrunch has since retracted that statement)
* New Core Image API makes very sophisticated non-destructive extensions possible not only in the "filters" arena, but also noise reduction, lens correction, etc
* Brings iCloud storage and access to all images on all devices, including (as I understand it) RAW format, a direct competiton to what Adobe is trying to do with their CC Cloud approach and various apps, which to me seems muddled.
Bottom line for me is that i am interested to see where this goes and will not slit my wrist just yet.
* Aperture, iPhoto, iPhoto streams are going away
* New Photos app replaces these and will import Aperture, iPhoto libraries
* New Photos app does have have at least some fine grained control over images if the screen shots floating around are to be believed
* Apple is NOT pointing people to Adobe (TechCrunch has since retracted that statement)
* New Core Image API makes very sophisticated non-destructive extensions possible not only in the "filters" arena, but also noise reduction, lens correction, etc
* Brings iCloud storage and access to all images on all devices, including (as I understand it) RAW format, a direct competiton to what Adobe is trying to do with their CC Cloud approach and various apps, which to me seems muddled.
Bottom line for me is that i am interested to see where this goes and will not slit my wrist just yet.
Actually I think they are focusing in exactly the area they want to, which is not the area you, I and others want them to.
They are after the mass, non computing, market, and they are doing very well at it.
The more cool branding they can get, hell they have Burberry and Beats now, things people can use as lifestyle objects, not computers.
They have found out that is where the big mass money is.
They still have to make, what we would class a proper computers, but it's not their money making focus, they have moved on and are moving more and more away from that.
So many people, old school, want a Apple product like a PC, that could become a nice platform, but it's not going to happen, they only barely wanted to try for that market in the past, failed, and found out they can make money from the bigger non computing market.
I could say dumbed down devices, but I guess that would be harsh.
I guess its like wishing Apple would go back to making DSLR's and they have found more money can be made with compact cameras with a lot of branding and clever advertising.
?
Hey Apple, remember us?
The professionals that use your computers and love your software too!
And now you are telling us to go away and use the competitors software?
What is going on?
This gives me very little faith in the future of any of your software.
So perhaps Final Cut Pro X is on the chopping block next, maybe I should move to Adobe Premiere Pro and stop waisting my time?
You don't want to waist my time do you?
Please help me understand why youre doing this to us Apple
everybody calm the F down... we are about to experience another transition gents - Steve would have sold it better, but I'm sure he would have loved to demo it
http://www.dslrbodies.com/accessori...software-news/another-one-bites-the-dust.html
I purchased the stand-alone version 2 months ago, having a feeling that Aperture was not going to be updated. It's everything I expected Aperture to become. It's a great piece of software. I do not use the cloud version. It's quite impressive. I shoot with a Canon 6D in RAW and LR does a great job. There are also TONS of instructional videos out there to help with the learning curve.
I just checked out their site, and it doesn't look like it's available as anything but a cloud service....oh well...
I just checked out their site, and it doesn't look like it's available as anything but a cloud service....oh well...
I don't know if you can buy the full box directly from Adobe, but from retailers you can.
The upgrade at least can be found both at Adobe and retailers.
The suffocating aspect of converting to a new image system is twofold; converting 60k+ images in my multiple Aperture libraries and learning the idiosyncrasies and nomenclature of new software. I've been through this awful process at least three times in the last 15 years. I'm seriously considering going back to my original hierarchal OS folder/file system to organize and catalog my masters. Screw the proprietary application software for library structures.
Agreed. I looked into that and am not sure what the hierarchy would look like and need to think about that (e.g. stare blankly at wall until it pops into my head afterwhich I'll laugh maniacally).
The UI of Lightroom is absolutely terrible. Elements are on all sides of the photo, boxing it in. There are unnecessary flourishes in the interface. The photo organization is a joke, and the UI doesn't help that either.
This is a sad day. Lazy Apple. Lazy Adobe. We still don't have a modern photo editing tool that feels like it's from 2014.
This is a sad day. Lazy Apple. Lazy Adobe. We still don't have a modern photo editing tool that feels like it's from 2014.
Its funny, people will either love the LR UI or hate it, there doesn't seem to be too much middle ground. Count me in the on the group that loves the aperture UI and not LR's