Im not personally a user of CS3, but if I just bought CS3 id be annoyed if I had to pay a hefty upgrade fee to upgrade to CS4 if it comes out this year.
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i don't think they force anyone to upgrade... CS3 will continue to function as it has always... i know pros who still use PS7 on OS9!
If you really believe this, then you must be a complete novice when it comes to software.
That's why folks like you are Adobe's favourite customers.
To most professionals who have used them, CS3 was an incremental, confusing, expensive and muddled update to CS2 (which itself was a hardly working POS.)
Personally, I think even if they fix all the bugs and (finally!) go with a cocoa code-base, it's still too soon for CS4 considering we all only recently sold our first born for CS3. Unless CS4 is both spectacular and about 50 to 75% cheaper, I think it's fairly outrageous that Adobe expects us to buy this software yet again.
If Pixelmator would offer a normal grey interface as well as the "cool" black one, I would switch tomorrow.
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not sure if the professionals was a sarcastic comment at me so just informing you that I am a professional and I do spend all day in front of a computer doing corporate website design. and to me CS3 is awesome. awesome with lots of flaws but awesome none the less. definately I would agree it is confusing. they haven't quite figured out a logical workflow but they will I hope. I wouldn't trade any of the creative suite in for any other program though.... unless some other company makes something better
ok light years ahead was a bit of an exaggeration. but to me each of the CS packages has been an interesting push towards complete integration with tons of failing. CS3 definitely was a huge step forward.
hear hear. they shouldn't not release something that they've been working on... noone is forcing you to upgrade to anything! if you like CS3, stick with it. Same with anything.
Best way to beat the "system" is to buy a mac, load it up with that generation of software, and never upgrade it! That way it'll work forever.
First reactions
I just decided to download Dreamweaver to take a look at it. Not using it thoroughly I can't critique too much on it..but first impressions aren't good. As another poster said, this is still the same interface. I mean the hope when Adobe bought Macromedia's property was that the look and feel would be updated from OS 9 Carbon days.
Oh well, there's always CS5
I just decided to download Dreamweaver to take a look at it. Not using it thoroughly I can't critique too much on it..but first impressions aren't good. As another poster said, this is still the same interface. I mean the hope when Adobe bought Macromedia's property was that the look and feel would be updated from OS 9 Carbon days.
Oh well, there's always CS5
Yeah, I think I kind went overboard on the sarcasm there a bit. Sorry.
I just hate CS suite so much and hate Adobe for forcing me to use it, and hate Adobe's flippant attitude to their customers, and hate the outrageous, predatory pricing, and hate, hate hate ....
Well you get the picture. I think I have a slight bias perhaps.
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Just downloaded Dreamweaver and it looks and feels like the direction I was hoping for. I think it feels more like a native app rather than the buggy clunky old framework Dreamweaver appeared to be running on.
Were they using Java before?
The last CS3 upgrade was a joke, lets hope this is better, already other platforms such as Aptana are offering better user friendly code writing apps, the only thing I still use Dreamweaver for is layout mode, to preview how it looks.
No signs of Ruby on Rails compatibility
Were they using Java before?
The last CS3 upgrade was a joke, lets hope this is better, already other platforms such as Aptana are offering better user friendly code writing apps, the only thing I still use Dreamweaver for is layout mode, to preview how it looks.
No signs of Ruby on Rails compatibility
How exactly is Adobe forcing you to use it? There are many alternative applications out there.
Any ideas to innovations in Photoshop when the beta for CS4 comes out?
Interested to buy now or later...
Interested to buy now or later...
If you really believe this, then you must be a complete novice when it comes to software.
That's why folks like you are Adobe's favourite customers.
To most professionals who have used them, CS3 was an incremental, confusing, expensive and muddled update to CS2 (which itself was a hardly working POS.)
Personally, I think even if they fix all the bugs and (finally!) go with a cocoa code-base, it's still too soon for CS4 considering we all only recently sold our first born for CS3. Unless CS4 is both spectacular and about 50 to 75% cheaper, I think it's fairly outrageous that Adobe expects us to buy this software yet again.
If Pixelmator would offer a normal grey interface as well as the "cool" black one, I would switch tomorrow.
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So are you saying that pixelmator is better than CS3?
I hope this means CS3 will be out of public beta soon
(Photoshop, Flash and Dreameaver CS3 all seem just a little too quirky/flaky/buggy for my taste. Not horrible, but not the rock-solid apps that Photoshop once was. I don't see myself buying CS4 unless it regains the polish and stability that--some of--the apps used to have. Dreamweaver never did. Nor did Flash but it used to be better than it is now. I'm picky when paying those prices--especially when other apps like Unity and RealBasic and Final Cut have proven to be more solid. It can be done.)
(Photoshop, Flash and Dreameaver CS3 all seem just a little too quirky/flaky/buggy for my taste. Not horrible, but not the rock-solid apps that Photoshop once was. I don't see myself buying CS4 unless it regains the polish and stability that--some of--the apps used to have. Dreamweaver never did. Nor did Flash but it used to be better than it is now. I'm picky when paying those prices--especially when other apps like Unity and RealBasic and Final Cut have proven to be more solid. It can be done.)
Wtf?!?!?!
What is up with everyone pissing and moaning about the upgrades coming too fast and thinking that CS4 should be a free upgrade to CS3 users????
Holy crap people! Don't go buy an iPhone or any other piece of technology..... NEWS FLASH prices comes down and newer and better things come out all the time!!!!
Waaaaaaa I bought an iPhone when it first came out and now 3 months later they drop the price Waaaaaaa!!!!!
Waaaaaaa I bought CS3 14 months ago and now I think that I should get CS4 for FREE!!!!!!!!!!!! WAAAAAAaaaaaaa!
Waaaaaaa I hate Adobe products (but still rely on them to do stupid graphics for MySpace) and think that Apple should come out with a CS killer..... WAAAaaaaaaa!
If you can't stand Photoshop, don't use it.
If you don't think that CS4 is worth an upgrade cost, don't buy it.
If you have nothing better to do than whine about how unfair life is, then go back to Romper Room because obviously you are from the "Soft Generation" born after 1985 where no one was cut from the little league baseball team and everyone received trophies even if they sat the bench and did nothing.
What is up with everyone pissing and moaning about the upgrades coming too fast and thinking that CS4 should be a free upgrade to CS3 users????
Holy crap people! Don't go buy an iPhone or any other piece of technology..... NEWS FLASH prices comes down and newer and better things come out all the time!!!!
Waaaaaaa I bought an iPhone when it first came out and now 3 months later they drop the price Waaaaaaa!!!!!
Waaaaaaa I bought CS3 14 months ago and now I think that I should get CS4 for FREE!!!!!!!!!!!! WAAAAAAaaaaaaa!
Waaaaaaa I hate Adobe products (but still rely on them to do stupid graphics for MySpace) and think that Apple should come out with a CS killer..... WAAAaaaaaaa!
If you can't stand Photoshop, don't use it.
If you don't think that CS4 is worth an upgrade cost, don't buy it.
If you have nothing better to do than whine about how unfair life is, then go back to Romper Room because obviously you are from the "Soft Generation" born after 1985 where no one was cut from the little league baseball team and everyone received trophies even if they sat the bench and did nothing.
I think so. apparently photoshop for PC will be 64 bit. but not mac.. right away at least.
Hahahaha
Sorry, I share your despair equally but this won't happen. Hell I'd be glad to just get Indesign CS3 working in Leopard.
Agreed. Buy "every other" update if that meets your needs. Older versions will usually work for a long time--even through OS updates. It's certainly too soon to assume otherwise.
Actually, I'd suggest that we use it or don't (some HAVE to use it) AND criticize it. Unless you're from the "soft generation" that feels corporations should be free to do anything without having to hear complaints
I don't think it's some crazy sense of "entitlement" that makes people demand software they paid hundreds of dollars for to be of the same high quality they've experiences from other software and other versions. I hope they KEEP demanding it, from Adobe, Apple or anyone. And I hope they direct that "whining" at the company, not just in public like here. Though both are useful forms of whining What if they sat on the bench and paid hundreds of dollars, and the bench was sold with the specific purpose of creating trophies for all buyers?
you're going to be sorely disappointed if you think CS4 is going to be free. adobe/macromedia have been on an 18-24 month release cycle for years now in fact they've been 18-24 months since pretty much version 1 of their products more often than not favoring 18 month cycles. it's only been during major shifts usually from OS vendors (e.g. classic -> OS X; win95 -> winXP) the timeline shifts past the 18 month window.
then don't use it. there are plenty of alternatives out there that produce the same result as photoshop, illustrator, flash, etc... that are cheaper and in some cases free. somehow i suspect though you will have a litany of reasons why those alternatives don't work for you each of those reasons you bring up are the reasons why photoshop costs more than gimp, pixelmator or acorn.
if you're a professional using these tools then the cost of an upgrade from CS2 to CS3 is like the cost of a few days worth of work at worst. $500/24 = $20 an hour. if you're not making at least $20 an hour you need to look for a new job.
I don't know if it is worth it....
Photoshop CS3 Beta was great to use and was really fun and all but when I went to install the CS3 suite I had to reformat my drive because none of Adobe's uninstall techniques worked to pull all of the PS CS3 Beta info off of the drive.
Use at your own risk people! But I gotta say if Illustrator CS4 Beta came out I would jump all over it at first blush..... so go figure!
Cs4 installs along side Cs3. I would personally install it on a different hard drive.
Maybe Pixelmator is better than PS for whatever he uses it for. For you, PS might be better. Totally depends what you use it for & how you work.
Yes, this is because Apple at the last minute ditched Carbon 64-bit. While it has the downside that CS4 will be 32bit, it brings the benefit of a Cocoa CS5
This is actually what many (maybe even most) people do. Most software sold is for use on new computers. This kind of explains the problems people have trying to run CS3 of a G4 Powerbook. CS3 was designed to run best on the computers that were sold at the time of CS3's release.
New software is like new computers. There is no reason to replace your computer each time Apple releases a new one. Same with Adobe. If CS3 works well keep it.
Sorry but I have to disagree. Macromedia was fine (Flash 3/4. Dreamweaver 5/6) but now... Actually I find the softwares to be a *bit* better each time but I expect more from a company with no real competitors. Actually, that might be were I do agree, they are light years ahead of... nobody
Ok, ok... Aperture (vs. Lightroom), Soundbooth (vs. Logic/Soundtrack/Garageband), Photoshop (vs. iPhoto
)No biggie but I'm still disappointed with the merge, so far...
And unless they have made some changes since I downloaded a demo two or three months back, Pixelmator has no support for scanners. Not an issue for many, but it is for me.