True but at some point, even these people *will* have to upgrade. I decided not to upgrade to CS3 until one day, I had to work on a file which was saved in CS3...
Then, Leopard came out...
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True but at some point, even these people *will* have to upgrade. I decided not to upgrade to CS3 until one day, I had to work on a file which was saved in CS3...
Then, Leopard came out...
the problem is that Adobe/Apple haven't fixed the crippling problems that affect InDesign CS 3 and Acrobat Professional 8.
Would you smarty pants Adobe apologists here please be kind enough to point me towards the alternative application options for Acrobat Pro 8? Aside from $5,000 per-license Creo solutions, there aren't any.
And if you are cheeky enough to suggest that Quark is a valid substitute for InDesign, go jump off a cliff. (along with all the other Quark lemmings wandering around in denial)
My problems are with Leopard and Adobe, not with Adobe itself. Before I got the 08 Mac pro, and leopard, my CS3 experience was pretty great. Now it is donkey balls.
Adobe isn't going to give us 64-bit in CS4. They don't seem to have made any significant changes to Dreamweaver, other than eye candy changes.
The anger you are all seeing is that adobe has locked thousands of us into the various Creative Suite pricing schemes. They force you to upgrade a bunch of applications that have minimal changes because you need one of the upgraded apps, and charge you for the upgrade of all of them. I don't need AI CS3. AI10 or even 8 is sufficient for me. Unless I buy every application separately at an extremely high price, I can't just upgrade the ones I want, I have to do them all. It is a nasty trick. I need acrobat, photoshop, and indesign to be totally up-to-date. I also need a working version of illustrator and dreamweaver, but they don't need to be current. Adobe has no solution for me.
Why not throw Lightroom into the creative suite packages at least? I had to buy that separate, even though I have the CS design premium package. LR should be part of it. I mean, I don't need the for-video functions of Photoshop Extended, but I could really use Lightroom (and do).
I knew when CS 1 happened that things were going to get frustrating a couple of versions down the line...Adobe has no incentive to really innovate each application for each version. Just change how it looks a little bit and incorporate a couple of 3rd party plug-ins and slap a new version number on it! Profit! Yay.
Would you smarty pants Adobe apologists here please be kind enough to point me towards the alternative application options for Acrobat Pro 8? Aside from $5,000 per-license Creo solutions, there aren't any.
And if you are cheeky enough to suggest that Quark is a valid substitute for InDesign, go jump off a cliff. (along with all the other Quark lemmings wandering around in denial)
My problems are with Leopard and Adobe, not with Adobe itself. Before I got the 08 Mac pro, and leopard, my CS3 experience was pretty great. Now it is donkey balls.
Adobe isn't going to give us 64-bit in CS4. They don't seem to have made any significant changes to Dreamweaver, other than eye candy changes.
The anger you are all seeing is that adobe has locked thousands of us into the various Creative Suite pricing schemes. They force you to upgrade a bunch of applications that have minimal changes because you need one of the upgraded apps, and charge you for the upgrade of all of them. I don't need AI CS3. AI10 or even 8 is sufficient for me. Unless I buy every application separately at an extremely high price, I can't just upgrade the ones I want, I have to do them all. It is a nasty trick. I need acrobat, photoshop, and indesign to be totally up-to-date. I also need a working version of illustrator and dreamweaver, but they don't need to be current. Adobe has no solution for me.
Why not throw Lightroom into the creative suite packages at least? I had to buy that separate, even though I have the CS design premium package. LR should be part of it. I mean, I don't need the for-video functions of Photoshop Extended, but I could really use Lightroom (and do).
I knew when CS 1 happened that things were going to get frustrating a couple of versions down the line...Adobe has no incentive to really innovate each application for each version. Just change how it looks a little bit and incorporate a couple of 3rd party plug-ins and slap a new version number on it! Profit! Yay.
I haven't seen any of the new stuff in CS4 yet, but the one app I use the most, Flash is seeing significant upgrades in it's timeline animation tool. CS3 was also a major upgrade because it brought in AS3 and relieved a lot of coding headaches.
Adobe has stated with Flash they try to do alternating updates (code tools one release, authoring tools the next) so I can't wait for CS4 and even CS5
Adobe has stated with Flash they try to do alternating updates (code tools one release, authoring tools the next) so I can't wait for CS4 and even CS5
I have to disagree on this one. the default save format is always the latest version. So if someone sends you an illustrator eps file made in cs3, but you have cs2 you either have to call the client and ask them to backsave it, or you cough up the money for the upgrade. Since most pros don't want to admit to the client that they don't have the latest and greatest, they upgrade. So they've got us by the short and curlys...every time they put out a new suite we've got to upgrade within 6 months or so.
We get problems all the time with publishing companies not able to open the attachments we sent them (we're using CS3), or worse still - they cannot even see that there is an attachment. I always save files to be more compatible with older versions. Seems like some PC email applications cannot see attachments from Macs - even though we always tick the box for windows friendly attachments.
Sorry but I have to disagree. Macromedia was fine (Flash 3/4. Dreamweaver 5/6) but now... Actually I find the softwares to be a *bit* better each time but I expect more from a company with no real competitors. Actually, that might be were I do agree, they are light years ahead of... nobody
Ok, ok... Aperture (vs. Lightroom), Soundbooth (vs. Logic/Soundtrack/Garageband), Photoshop (vs. iPhoto
No biggie but I'm still disappointed with the merge, so far...
just a comment. soundbooth is not competing against logic/soundtrack/garageband. its competing against programs like soundforge. completely different category.
aperature vs lightroom is a close one. both pretty damn good.
photoshop has no competitors other then Corel I think....
new dreamweavers are a must if you use style sheets and newer technologies. CS4 is supposed to integrate CSS a lot better.
flash has no competition and personally I hate the UI. but I forgive adobe for that a bit because macromedia is the one that screwed that up. hopefully adobe fixes that soon! (and dreamweaver, which although is very good, still has a crapola macromedia backend.)
I strongly disagree. As a professional, I found CS3 was vastly better than CS2.
While I am a huge fan of Cocoa, moving to Cocoa would just mean that Photoshop would become a 1.0 app again and be full of bugs. They have to move to Cocoa at some point for 64-bit support, but Cocoa is no magic bullet. Yes, I program in Cocoa. And have before in Carbon. And Win32.
OK - if Pixelmator is usable for you, then I'm afraid you are not in the same market as Photoshop Professionals. Pixelmator isn't even usable for 95% of the work I've ever done in Photoshop. It simply doesn't have the featureset.
Adobe could save us a fortune if the default save format was a generic "creative suite compatible" format and then only if we were using some feature that wouldn't translate they warn and recommend saving in a newer format.
Does anyone even use Dreamweaver anymore? Now, granted, I haven't ever used it beyond the MX version from years ago, but do web professionals actually use that POS??
yep. been using it since homesite disappeared. I dont use to many of the features though. generally use the design window as a navigator to get to that section of code quickly. then just code in that. so basically I kinda use it like it is a slightly more advanced homesite.
Hilarious
John Nack Photoshops senior project manager was just screaming at bloggers about calling it CS4 when it hadn't been revealed yet. what an arse
http://blogs.computerworld.com/photoshop_cs4_gpu_not_64_bit
John Nack Photoshops senior project manager was just screaming at bloggers about calling it CS4 when it hadn't been revealed yet. what an arse
http://blogs.computerworld.com/photoshop_cs4_gpu_not_64_bit
The same way we are "forced" to use Office. With Adobe however, there are even fewer alternatives to their product than there are to Office and they are quite a bit crappier.
When it comes to Office, a die-hard MS-hater could always find something a little uglier and harder to use, but at least it still worked. Now with iWork from Apple there is a serious alternative at least on the Mac.
With CS suite, there aren't even viable alternatives for some of the products IMO.
I still haven't used Dreamweaver for much. I didn't like it back around 2000 when I had been using FrontPage on a PC. FP is one of the few MS apps that they did well. It may have required FrontPage extensions galore, but it was easy yet did a lot of things.
Dreamweaver is a female dog. As someone else said, the UI has hardly changed. I know a good bit about HTML coding and making Web sites, although not the very advanced stuff. Dreamweaver is EXTREMELY difficult for me to use. It's like doing open-heart surgery for a mild case of heartburn. I basically have it because it's the only functional Web site app for Mac and if I take long enough, I can figure out advanced things like how to bold text.
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Surely you are making a sad, sad joke. Adobe is so behind the times it's sort of funny (in a tragic kind of way).
- incredibly bloated programs
- late to the Universal Binary party
- slow to load, slow to work with
- not GPU accelerated
- expensive
- completely nonstandard installation, leaving **** all over the place
- nonstandard and slow Software Update
- tendency to include needless stuff eating RAM
- hideous activation which makes mistakes--killed my license without any explanation
There are much better programs available for any of their offerings, except Illustrator (Lineform isn't there yet, but is one to watch). I have purged my harddrive of anything Adobe and don't miss any of them, working with web graphics 8 hours a day.
hold up folks.
Hey folks, lets not put the cart before the horse here...(i so wanted to use that phrase)..
I'm not a big fan of Adobe's lack of coding for performance, bug testing, and general adherence to UI standards, but let's actually install these new apps and take them for a spin before we criticize them.
K
Hey folks, lets not put the cart before the horse here...(i so wanted to use that phrase)..
I'm not a big fan of Adobe's lack of coding for performance, bug testing, and general adherence to UI standards, but let's actually install these new apps and take them for a spin before we criticize them.
K
meh.
what do you use instead of photoshop? who is adobe behind? how do you stay competitive using programs that no other pro is using?
I use CS3 on the most recent generation imac at work and an early 08 mac pro at home. on both it runs quite nice.... I find it very quick to work with. and don't get me wrong. I know there are tons of issues with it..... but the good points faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar outweigh the bad.
photoshop is a much smaller culprit than illustrator on this issue.
but my point was that most people only save as "cs3 only" because that is the default and they just hit save.
Fair enough! But you can't seriously be honest with yourself when you sit there and make a comment such as...
... And then this...
... Seriously man!! You have to be joking on this one... The source editor in Dreamweaver is a decent piece of kit - auto encapsulating of tags and coloured syntax... It all makes sense my friend - go take another look...
... And then this...
... Seriously man!! You have to be joking on this one... The source editor in Dreamweaver is a decent piece of kit - auto encapsulating of tags and coloured syntax... It all makes sense my friend - go take another look...
Wow Dreamweaver for OSX finally gets updated to be equal with the Windows version. Never thought I would see this day.
As a professional web designer I don't use Dreamweaver. I hand code everything. I find DW to be bloated and confusing and for me it serves no useful purpose except to make a task 5 times longer to complete than if I were to hand code.
I like CS3 though, but as a freelancer I won't be rushing out to purchase CS4 it's just way too expensive to try and keep up with the Jones'. I don't like how Adobe have a monopoly on the design industry which enable them to charge what ever they like at the mercy of small businesses, but it's the only choice we have.
I like CS3 though, but as a freelancer I won't be rushing out to purchase CS4 it's just way too expensive to try and keep up with the Jones'. I don't like how Adobe have a monopoly on the design industry which enable them to charge what ever they like at the mercy of small businesses, but it's the only choice we have.
I guess I shouldn't tell you that Adobe is already working on CS5 and CS6. And that is as of last year.
As far as too frequent iterations goes, I think Adobe needs to get its act together as far as Photoshop/Illustrator/Fireworks. I will always say that I prefer Fireworks to do my work because its interface is the one that is the least painful.
This absolutely effing great!
Soundbooth now does Apple Lossless plus a variety of other formats (before it could _only_ do wav)! Add to that the multitracking, and this mean I am this (><) close to ridding myself completely of Apple software, all the while getting myself a "system" where I will be able to use the same "core" audio apps on both the MBP and the PC at work!
This is fantastic!
Soundbooth now does Apple Lossless plus a variety of other formats (before it could _only_ do wav)! Add to that the multitracking, and this mean I am this (><) close to ridding myself completely of Apple software, all the while getting myself a "system" where I will be able to use the same "core" audio apps on both the MBP and the PC at work!
This is fantastic!
Does this mean that Adobe have completely ignored fixing CS3 for Leopard?
I wonder if this kind of behavior on Adobe's side is going to increase piracy... Could one justify not paying for a working (upgraded) version if the one you paid for is not working properly?
Controversial, I know. ;-)
I wonder if this kind of behavior on Adobe's side is going to increase piracy... Could one justify not paying for a working (upgraded) version if the one you paid for is not working properly?
Controversial, I know. ;-)