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Adobe Flash Player 10.3 Officially Debuts With New Privacy Controls
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As much as I desire a plugin-less web, I like having Flash on my phone (Android). I think it is foolish to believe in someone's vision that they're not gonna support Flash and hence coming to a conclusion that Flash is useless/laggy/insecure.
The reason Flah on mobile devices doesn't provide the smoothest experience is that it wasn't designed for Mobile devices initially but now it's being worked on. Flash on mobile platforms is evolving and is being optimised to provide a better and FULL web experience. You cannot get away by telling your customers they don't need flash.
With Microsoft, Google, Mozilla, Opera and others continuously making their browsers less dependent on Flash, I'd think we'd see less usage of Flash in future, but mind you it won't die anytime soon. Most of the media/consumer related sites rely heavily on Flash. So, it is essential to support Flash.
Don't think users want Flash? Look what happened when Skyfire was announced with Flash Video system on the Apple App Store. Skyfire ran out of licenses within a few hours. That itself shows what users need.
I'm still waiting for future web to be plugin independent but until then Flash forms a big chunk of web that cannot be ingored.
The reason Flah on mobile devices doesn't provide the smoothest experience is that it wasn't designed for Mobile devices initially but now it's being worked on. Flash on mobile platforms is evolving and is being optimised to provide a better and FULL web experience. You cannot get away by telling your customers they don't need flash.
With Microsoft, Google, Mozilla, Opera and others continuously making their browsers less dependent on Flash, I'd think we'd see less usage of Flash in future, but mind you it won't die anytime soon. Most of the media/consumer related sites rely heavily on Flash. So, it is essential to support Flash.
Don't think users want Flash? Look what happened when Skyfire was announced with Flash Video system on the Apple App Store. Skyfire ran out of licenses within a few hours. That itself shows what users need.
I'm still waiting for future web to be plugin independent but until then Flash forms a big chunk of web that cannot be ingored.
I believe there is an issue between Safari and Flash but I'm not sure crashing is one of those issues. I see crashing across multiple browsers because of Flash. However, Safari's scrolling has been choppy since Flash 10.1 was released and I don't think Apple has optimized how they handle it. Other browsers have silky smooth scrolling no matter how much flash content is on the page. Hopefully Safari 6 fixes this.
That's an issue with YouTube, not Flash.MacBookPro13";12566072 said:
Actually, 10.2 really did improve. I'd say for the first time ever. Still not good enough, though.
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5)
I'm glad they included "acoustic echo cancellation". It's more important than those other echo cancellation.
I'm glad they included "acoustic echo cancellation". It's more important than those other echo cancellation.
All I know is that since moving to Chrome, there are no issues with Flash. The browser never stalls, doesn't crash and is always equally responsive. It is fast to pick up on Javascript bugs and kill a stalled thread and feels very very good.
I really suspect there's something not quite right with Safari after this experience. Not with the rendering engine (Webkit) since Safari and Chrome share it, but something.
Can't recommend Chrome enough, especially if Safari beachballs a lot for you and Flash crashes. Chrome has none of that.
What about stability?
I have serious problems with Flash every day on my MacBook. Locks up Safari completely long time. Sometimes I have to kill the Flash Player process to be able to use Safari again. Uses up a lot of CPU.
Fix the stability problems first!
I have serious problems with Flash every day on my MacBook. Locks up Safari completely long time. Sometimes I have to kill the Flash Player process to be able to use Safari again. Uses up a lot of CPU.
Fix the stability problems first!
The enhanced Flash cookie deletion in Flash 10.3 is not working for me. (On my Windows box at the office).
I can have flash cookies set, and then delete cookies using the browser, and the flash cookies stay set. I am following Adobe's instructions, and it fails in both IE and Firefox.
I will experiment with it as soon as I get home on OSX Safari/Firefox.
I just wanted to share a heads up that the "we delete Flash cookies when the browser asks us to" functionality may not be all that well implemented.
I'll stick with "BetterPrivacy" firefox extension for now - until I figure this out.
I can have flash cookies set, and then delete cookies using the browser, and the flash cookies stay set. I am following Adobe's instructions, and it fails in both IE and Firefox.
I will experiment with it as soon as I get home on OSX Safari/Firefox.
I just wanted to share a heads up that the "we delete Flash cookies when the browser asks us to" functionality may not be all that well implemented.
I'll stick with "BetterPrivacy" firefox extension for now - until I figure this out.
MacBookPro13";12566072 said:
That's a YouTube problem, not a Flash, Safari, or OS X problem. I'm having that issue on Windows with Firefox with a 10.2 version of Flash at the moment. (Reload a few times and it might work...of course, that's probably not what their servers need if they're having these problems!)
My only problem with Chrome is that is activates the discrete GPU(and I don't particularly like the way it looks). Firefox has the same issue. The only major browsers that don't activate the discrete GPU are Safari and Opera.
I use safari for iOS for most of my browsing.
When I need to use a PC I use safari for mac with flash removed and it works great. If I need flash for something, (and I can't think of anything other then ads, porn sites, and a couple ad-ridden YouTube videos that still need it, so it's been awhile,) chrome will usually do it.
One day Google will desire to not clean up after flash every revision. (It is their extensive sand boxing that makes Chrome with flash work better then Safari with Flash.) That'll be fun(ny.)
When I need to use a PC I use safari for mac with flash removed and it works great. If I need flash for something, (and I can't think of anything other then ads, porn sites, and a couple ad-ridden YouTube videos that still need it, so it's been awhile,) chrome will usually do it.
One day Google will desire to not clean up after flash every revision. (It is their extensive sand boxing that makes Chrome with flash work better then Safari with Flash.) That'll be fun(ny.)
You're the one waiting for html5 to rule the web. You should be used to waiting. Meanwhile I'll enjoy the entire internet not just what your owner the Steve wants us to.
One feature I do like is how they added a preference pane on System Preferences. Now I don't have to use flash on adobe's website to block flash cookies.
It does seem to be running better. My Firefox plays youtube fine for me now. Previously, when I was watching fullscreen videos, it exited out of fullscreen whenever I paused it. It seems that's fixed.
It does seem to be running better. My Firefox plays youtube fine for me now. Previously, when I was watching fullscreen videos, it exited out of fullscreen whenever I paused it. It seems that's fixed.
Fullscreen is my personal pet peeve for Flash. Does anybody know how to code it? Every player on the web is different, and behaves differently.
Flash has been running perfectly nicely on all my newer Macs for years. Now it runs perfectly fine on my Google Nexus S phone, too.
After using Safari for years, I gave up on it after I did tests on my iMac and my Mac Book Pro, which showed Safari to be the slowest and most resource-hungry browser of all the majors. Now I use Firefox mostly (because of the plugins I need) and have not had any of the issues I used to have with Safari.
I wish Jobs would give up on the dying iAd, which is the main reason for keeping Flash from iOS, so that my iPad can finally run Flash and I can have a normal web-browsing experience.
If not, I think for my next tablet I'll move to Android, just like I did with my phones.
BTW, now that all new Androids support Flash, less and less companies are coding Flash-less versions of their sites. Within a year, as Android completely dominates the mobile segment, nobody will spend the money to cater to the sliver of iOS users.
Plus, the lack of Flash capabilities is a factor for some to chose Android over iOS -- it was and is for me, and for a number of people I know.
MacBookPro13";12566072 said:
What does a HTTP 500 code (Internal server error) have to do with a client-side plugin ?
Some people really have no basic grasp of Web technologies...
Interestingly, I've noticed that many HTML5 games and animations seem to perform worse in general then many Flash animations. A lot of this does come down to the skill of the developer too. Flash is able to make optimizations, where with HTML5 and Javascript the developer has more responsibility to draw efficiently.
Only time I have had problems with Flash were when using a Mac hmm. Maybe Apple will stop Safari being a pile of crap some day.
You must be kidding. I use both and FingreFux is slower by far.
Safari + Flash crashes more often than a FF loop of Lindsey Lohan's life.