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Interesting find. So I went to youtube and had a few videos open in a few windows with both Safari and Firefox 4. Safari crashed 2 times and Firefox is still running fine.
 
Interestingly, I've noticed that many HTML5 games and animations seem to perform worse in general then many Flash animations. A lot of this does come down to the skill of the developer too. Flash is able to make optimizations, where with HTML5 and Javascript the developer has more responsibility to draw efficiently.
I have noticed the same thing.

If Flash wouldn't make my fans spin at 100% and turn my MacBook into a hotplate, I wouldn't mind it. Thankfully there are plug-ins for Safari like ClickToFlash which force Safari to only load Flash when I want it to.
 
well, after the update, the first Flash bit I ran across on the web caused the fans on my MBP to spool up to the point where they sounded like a jet engine. :mad:

Oh well. I guess I'll keep using click-2-flash to block this nonsense from happening again.
 
I have noticed the same thing.

If Flash wouldn't make my fans spin at 100% and turn my MacBook into a hotplate, I wouldn't mind it. Thankfully there are plug-ins for Safari like ClickToFlash which force Safari to only load Flash when I want it to.

Same here. HTML5 just isn't as "snappy" but the fans kicking up are annoying at times. I think the flash hatred is very short sighted. I think the problem has to do with Safari #1, Coders #2, and Apple/Adobes working relationship regardless of who's at fault.
 
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All I know is that since moving to Chrome, there are no issues with Flash. The browser never stalls, doesn't crash and is always equally responsive. It is fast to pick up on Javascript bugs and kill a stalled thread and feels very very good.

I really suspect there's something not quite right with Safari after this experience. Not with the rendering engine (Webkit) since Safari and Chrome share it, but something.

Can't recommend Chrome enough, especially if Safari beachballs a lot for you and Flash crashes. Chrome has none of that.



Chrome doesn't crash with Flash?

http://www.google.co.uk/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=0d782f19a7a1a9ec&hl=en

On PCs and Macs, with IE Safari Chrome, I have seen crashes where the whole browser just quits when running Flash videos.

Sorry, but i simply don't believe that "...Chrome has none of that..."
 
This is nice but have they got it working on mobile phones and tablets yet without requiring a hexacore processor? hehe. My old iPhone 3G plays pure HTML5 videos great. It's a shame that after all this time only some of the very latest smartphones with much more powerful processors are able to play the same videos using flash and then still not play them as smoothly.

And Adobe had the nerve to be upset that the original iPhone did not include flash? Claiming that back in 2007/2008 they had a viable solution for flash video on mobile devices? Clearly they were wrong and I'm a huge Adobe fan.

I will give them credit though they have substantially improved flash on a Mac but it shouldn't have taken all this for them to recognize that Windows isn't the only platform they needed to cater to.
 
You must be kidding. I use both and FingreFux is slower by far.

Safari + Flash crashes more often than a FF loop of Lindsey Lohan's life.

Cute. But why blame Flash because you insist on using a wonky browser?

This is nice but have they got it working on mobile phones and tablets yet without requiring a hexacore processor?...

Flash works like a charm on my Nexus S, with 1GHz single core.
 
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I think the problem is your browser then, because Chrome never crashes on me and Flash is turned on and used daily. ;)

For anyone using Chrome btw, no need to go out of your way to get this, the update to Chrome 11 we received yesterday had this plugin upgrade included.
Now carefully read your own post and see the problem. Flash in Chrome is maintained by Google, not by Adobe. The version in this article is the one from Adobe maintained by Adobe and distributed by Adobe meant to work on Safari, Firefox and Opera (in case of the OS X version). This is a big difference which is clearly demonstrated by a certain security bug that Google fixed in Chrome before Adobe got around to fix it in their Flash version. Google was faster than the developer. The persons problem may not be his webbrowser but the Adobe Flash version itself. But then again, there are like 23849723947 other things that affect how well Flash works ;)
 
Same here. HTML just isn't as "snappy" but the fans kicking up are annoying at times. I think the flash hatred is very short sighted. I think the problem has to do with Safari #1, Coders #2, and Apple/Adobes working relationship regardless of who's at fault.

Do you even understand what HTML is? Can I ask when you've browsed to a webpage containing flash that didn't use HTML?
 
The following statement is factually incorrect...

"Flash Player 10.3 is available for Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, and Android."

It is not available for Mac OS X on PowerPC so that blanket statement is false.

I know I'm nitpicking, but making blanket statements like that are always a bad idea since it is not available for certain versions of those operating systems.

BE SPECIFIC. This is a tech site, not Oprah.
 
The following statement is factually incorrect...

"Flash Player 10.3 is available for Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, and Android."

It is not available for Mac OS X on PowerPC so that blanket statement is false.

I know I'm nitpicking, but making blanket statements like that are always a bad idea since it is not available for certain versions of those operating systems.

BE SPECIFIC. This is a tech site, not Oprah.

In that case it's not available on android either.
 
You're the one waiting for html5 to rule the web. You should be used to waiting. Meanwhile I'll enjoy the entire internet not just what your owner the Steve wants us to.

I use Flash, too. On my Mac. I'm enjoying the entire internet as well . . . using a ****** video standard. It's there so we're forced to put up with it.

Now imagine how bad it is on mobile devices.
 
Do you even understand what HTML is? Can I ask when you've browsed to a webpage containing flash that didn't use HTML?

I forgot to put the 5 at the end.

I do know what it is I've been a web developer since the middle of the 90's. It was just a simple typo.

I use Flash, too. On my Mac. I'm enjoying the entire internet as well . . . using a ****** video standard. It's there so we're forced to put up with it.

Now imagine how bad it is on mobile devices.

Works flawless on my phone. In fact I was playing Wordfeud and switching between watching Megadeth's Youthanasia Documentary on youtube and it was fine (drained my battery but was still great performance wise!)

The following statement is factually incorrect...

"Flash Player 10.3 is available for Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, and Android."

It is not available for Mac OS X on PowerPC so that blanket statement is false.

I know I'm nitpicking, but making blanket statements like that are always a bad idea since it is not available for certain versions of those operating systems.

BE SPECIFIC. This is a tech site, not Oprah.

PowerPC is dead my friend.
 
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Can i use the Acoustic echo cancellation with my built in laptop microphone, in combination with headphones to cancel the sound of people talking in the library? i.e. real time audio cancellation?
 
The following statement is factually incorrect...

"Flash Player 10.3 is available for Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, and Android."

It is not available for Mac OS X on PowerPC so that blanket statement is false.

I know I'm nitpicking, but making blanket statements like that are always a bad idea since it is not available for certain versions of those operating systems.

BE SPECIFIC. This is a tech site, not Oprah.

As someone already mentioned, that means it's also not available for Android...nor Windows, nor Linux. If we all had to be 'that' specific, no one would ever be able to say 'X is available on Windows' etc. etc.

If that bothers you, I think it's time for you to upgrade.
 
Hmm...Flash has been running fine on both my Windows and Mac machines...but then again I use Firefox and Chrome exclusively (Well, IE when I have too).
 
Interestingly, I've noticed that many HTML5 games and animations seem to perform worse in general then many Flash animations. A lot of this does come down to the skill of the developer too. Flash is able to make optimizations, where with HTML5 and Javascript the developer has more responsibility to draw efficiently.

I agree.

Yes Flash is buggy and can grind the newest Mac to a halt, but given more time and resources Flash will get better on Macs, hopefully as good as it is on Windows.

HTML5 has a long way to go for general consumption. Yes videos in that format tend to play smoother but that is the only advantage IMHO.
Thankfully Apple kicked Adobe in the pants and woke them up. As long as they keep updating Flash it will get better. To see some people constantly complain about Adobe actually fixing Flash makes me wonder if their anger is misdirected. Are they mad at Adobe or apple for not allowing flash in the first place?
 
As easy as it is to bash Flash, each new version runs better and better on my 2010 Macbook Air.

That's GREAT news!

This is true of my MacBook Pro, but it running "better" is not the same is it running "well" or "smoothly" or "not crashing my browser once a day".

Also, it's not always the Flash Player but poorly-written apps that can cause instability. And that's true for any platform.

And once Gala is expanded to cover ATi GPUs, and the sooner the better sine ATi's architecture is faster, things will only run smoother as well. I recall reading - last year - Apple opened up its APIs so developers (e.g. Adobe) could work on accelerator apps to make full use of peripheral processors (e.g. the GPU).

The more support Adobe gets will only encourage them.
 
I agree.

Yes Flash is buggy and can grind the newest Mac to a halt, but given more time and resources Flash will get better on Macs, hopefully as good as it is on Windows.

HTML5 has a long way to go for general consumption. Yes videos in that format tend to play smoother but that is the only advantage IMHO.
Thankfully Apple kicked Adobe in the pants and woke them up. As long as they keep updating Flash it will get better. To see some people constantly complain about Adobe actually fixing Flash makes me wonder if their anger is misdirected. Are they mad at Adobe or apple for not allowing flash in the first place?

Actually, videos are encoded in h.264 - HTML5 is just a scripting language that is comprised of tabs, with each tab telling the browser what to go do with itself and if different browsers treat different tags differently, then compatibility issues occur. (hence entities like Flash coming into fill that pesky problem to begin with. :D ) So as long as everybody adheres to HTML5 equally and doesn't "optimize" it for their own platform, all will be better for developers. I hope.
 
I use Flash, too. On my Mac. I'm enjoying the entire internet as well . . . using a ****** video standard. It's there so we're forced to put up with it.

Now imagine how bad it is on mobile devices.

Runs perfect on my HTC Desire, I enjoy watching BBC iplayer with no slow down.
 
Installed. YouTube 1080p vids still a bit choppy on a 1 year old Mac Mini. Bummer. Oh well...

I wish Flash would go away, but I'm also not in denial that I need it if I want to watch [the better half of] YouTube or any streaming video site. :apple:
 
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