Adobe Launches Photoshop for iPad

[Brammy]

I have to disagree on that, Affinity designer and photo, publisher are not prosumer at all
, and by the way AP 1.7 can load a lot of PS brushess.

By prosumer, I meant the Affinity apps are great for people who need a Photoshop-like program, without it being Photoshop. The Pro Photoshop market I consider to be people who have workflows that require Photoshop: either a plug-in or a brush that that doesn't work with Affinity. Or, it uses Photoshop actions that don't work at all with Affinity. A lot of these workflows are built around squeezing every second of productivity out of a tool, or being able to call someone 24x7 for support when the thing breaks. Or the time cost to moving to a new platform doesn't outweigh the financial savings.

Affinity also can only use .abr brushes. I think when Kyle's brushes weren't part of Adobe they couldn't be used in Affinity because they were tpl brushes.

Every now and then I come across some cool Photoshop effect. I will post on the Affinity forums for help on doing this with Photo, and the answer sometimes is, "You can't."

I get that some people don't like subscriptions. I use the Affinity products because the Adobe subscription isn't valuable to me. However, I do pay a subscription for apps that I need for a workflow, and the time savings using those apps provides value.

 

[c.o.d.]

I had almost every Adobe Creative Suite (different packs) since CS3 and back then Adobe had to try really hard to encourage users to make and upgrade. Their software was developing rapidly and we (users) were always exciting to try a new version of the software.

Now with subscription model not much is changing, yes they add some features from time to time but it is miles away from the progress we experienced in the past with CS. There is nothing I cannot do in my old Photoshop CS6 that current CS provide. The question is why should I constantly pay for the same thing? Adobe got really lazy with the beginning of Creative Cloud.

I am currently testing alternative software and with the beginning of the next year will start to replace all Adobe products that I previously thought are so crucial for my business.

The thing that worries me about iPad Photoshop is that it is based on the same code that desktop version is created on. Not only we stuck in the last century but also have a product that is not written for a different processor architecture than Intel.

 

[TeddieBear]

It's only included with the $120/year plan if you subscribe before January 31, 2020. It is permanently included in the 1TB Photography plan, which is $240/year.

Is 240 for a student plan worth it? Might as well take advantage of my student discounts.

Just wondering if it’s a good deal or should I just go with the Affinity apps.

I know it depends on the person, but just your thoughts.

 

[Wash08]

By prosumer, I meant the Affinity apps are great for people who need a Photoshop-like program, without it being Photoshop. The Pro Photoshop market I consider to be people who have workflows that require Photoshop: either a plug-in or a brush that that doesn't work with Affinity. Or, it uses Photoshop actions that don't work at all with Affinity. A lot of these workflows are built around squeezing every second of productivity out of a tool, or being able to call someone 24x7 for support when the thing breaks. Or the time cost to moving to a new platform doesn't outweigh the financial savings.

Affinity also can only use .abr brushes. I think when Kyle's brushes weren't part of Adobe they couldn't be used in Affinity because they were tpl brushes.

Every now and then I come across some cool Photoshop effect. I will post on the Affinity forums for help on doing this with Photo, and the answer sometimes is, "You can't."

I get that some people don't like subscriptions. I use the Affinity products because the Adobe subscription isn't valuable to me. However, I do pay a subscription for apps that I need for a workflow, and the time savings using those apps provides value.

If it works for you fine, but I don’t know if it is format of these forums, or the way you wrote it, but it comes across a condensing, I have been a graphic designer for close to 30 years, I was there with PS, AI since ver 1, adobe has become nothing more than a cash machine. to assume I or any other designer or creative that don’t want to use adobe not a “pro” and there are not workflows that photoshop is essential.

 

[Brammy]

If it works for you fine, but I don’t know if it is format of these forums, or the way you wrote it, but it comes across a condensing, I have been a graphic designer for close to 30 years, I was there with PS, AI since ver 1, adobe has become nothing more than a cash machine. to assume I or any other designer or creative that don’t want to use adobe not a “pro” and there are not workflows that photoshop is essential.

Wasn't my intention at all. Sorry. I haven't used an Adobe product (other than my Standalone Lightroom) in years and have moved all my graphic work to Affinity and Procreate.

I didn't mean to make judgments on what is pro or not, but to show there are some workflows where Photoshop (and Adobe products) are still key tools and the Affinity products don't meet those use cases.

Edit: Thinking about it on the way home, a better term for what I meant was maybe enterprise-level, inflexible workflows. I think for most people, working professionals or not, Affinity is good for their needs.

 

[supercoolmanchu]

Yes, this. Both of these. Thank you to both of you for being voices of reason among so much whining.

To everyone else: You have no intrinsic right to Adobe software or any software, nor do you "own" any of the software you use whether you pay a subscription or a single amount. You our granted a license that, in both cases, can be revoked at any time for any reason. Attaching to a payment model in some sort of childish holy war changes *nothing* of your rights.

I pay for my yearly subscription to CC with a few hours worth of billables. It doesn't even merit a blip in my business financials. If you can't afford the tools, the tools aren't for you. No shame in that. Move on to one of the dozens of alternatives and let the rest of us use the tools we need to make money under the payment model that is entirely appropriate to that class of software.

The ‘class’ of Adobe software has been in sharp decline, stagnant for several years and versions. Sure pros need pro tools, but Adobe isn’t even servicing that end of the market very well. And their goofy iOS offerings have instilled less than confidence among the home and semi-pro markets.

Let’s face it, more and more people just hate using Photoshop, pros and amateurs alike. It doesn’t matter the cost when Adobe is selling a 2005 app for a premium in 2020. That’s been eating into Adobe’s mindshare for over a decade now, it’s no wonder this iPad version is being met with extremely muted enthusiasm, a whole lot of meh, and mostly scorn.

The writing is on the wall, Adobe is a dying company for creatives, and the rate of decline is increasing.

 

[chrfr]

Is 240 for a student plan worth it? Might as well take advantage of my student discounts.

Just wondering if it’s a good deal or should I just go with the Affinity apps.

I know it depends on the person, but just your thoughts.

Keep in mind the student plan is only $240 for the first year. It goes up to $360 for subsequent years.

 

[richpjr]

The writing is on the wall, Adobe is a dying company for creatives, and the rate of decline is increasing.

This doesn't really match the reality of their increasing sales and revenue.

 

[Royksöpp]

You have to have iPad OS. Boo! My iPad Pro 11 is buttery smooth on iOS 12. I'll pass.

 

[hans1972]

How can Macrumors do this big of an expose on a flagship product like Photoshop and not mention cost? Many of us have parted ways with Adobe over their aggressive subscription model that hurts casual users of their software who otherwise might buy a discounted license of the software and use it for several years.

The article links to a product page which do mention cost. And the costs varies depending on several factors so it is not just an easy answer to give.

 

[kevingaffney]

I’ve spent a couple of hours with the iPad app and have to say I like it and can see myself using it quite a bit.

 

[sakurarain]

My boss just approved my application of the PS subscription on the iPad.... 😆😆 Btw. He complains every 3-month about adobe, once he is signing the software budget paper......

 

[Wash08]

Wasn't my intention at all. Sorry. I haven't used an Adobe product (other than my Standalone Lightroom) in years and have moved all my graphic work to Affinity and Procreate.

I didn't mean to make judgments on what is pro or not, but to show there are some workflows where Photoshop (and Adobe products) are still key tools and the Affinity products don't meet those use cases.

Edit: Thinking about it on the way home, a better term for what I meant was maybe enterprise-level, inflexible workflows. I think for most people, working professionals or not, Affinity is good for their needs.

No problem, I understand the situation, but I believe there is a way to get around the adobe blockage for most workflows, serif does offer enterprise solutions; the hard part is to convince specially in a enterprise setting that to use them is a viable solutions that is better than adobe, for example I made a business case were in my case we could save close to 40k over if we just drop adobe all together

 

[ellsworth]

You'll definitely have to use a style, Apple Pencil or file your fingers down to a pencil tip in order to full use something like this. I don't care how old I am, nothing beats a mouse or a wacom tablet but I know that Apple Pencil IS the right tool for this application.

 

[ryanwarsaw]

iPad Pro continues to improve and replace computers for many use cases.

iPad growing at 17% is impressive.

I love it. I also hold ADBE. What a perfect combo. ADBE is up pretty nicely today on this and other news.

 

[ryanwarsaw]

This doesn't really match the reality of their increasing sales and revenue.

You can look at their revised guidance today and you will find Adobe is still a force to be reckoned with. For people that just want to use photoshop for gags and memes and stupid jokes maybe it's expensive. However there are real pros that won't switch for $20 a month. Subscriptions are where it's at and there is even talk of Apple using a subscription service for iPhones much like Volvo and Cadillac have already.

Nobody likes lumpy revenue.

 

[Lone Deranger]

That's what desktop is for.

No argument there. Actually what I'm really alluding to is my desire for Apple to come out with a Wacom Cintiq/Dell Canvas competitor. ie. a large 30+" model. As a professional artist/painter, this is something that would be a perfect complement to my tool-set. The Cintiq, even the latest models, are no match for Apple's iPad+Pencil tech in my personal experience. Maybe the Canvas is better? I honestly don't know as I have no experience with it. But truth be told, I'd rather avoid that company entirely and stick with Apple.

 

[LVdustin]

What if you're a user that doesn't use PS to make money?

Photoshop is a professional application. I make money off of photoshop because I am a professional that makes money using photoshop...what are you doing wrong with your business model?

 

[turbineseaplane]

Photoshop is a professional application. I make money off of photoshop because I am a professional that makes money using photoshop...what are you doing wrong if your business model?

I honestly don't know what you're asking (or really trying to say).

 

[LVdustin]

I honestly don't know what you're asking (or really trying to say).

What do you use photoshop for? That’s what I am asking.

 

[haruhiko]

I had almost every Adobe Creative Suite (different packs) since CS3 and back then Adobe had to try really hard to encourage users to make and upgrade. Their software was developing rapidly and we (users) were always exciting to try a new version of the software.

Now with subscription model not much is changing, yes they add some features from time to time but it is miles away from the progress we experienced in the past with CS. There is nothing I cannot do in my old Photoshop CS6 that current CS provide. The question is why should I constantly pay for the same thing? Adobe got really lazy with the beginning of Creative Cloud.

I am currently testing alternative software and with the beginning of the next year will start to replace all Adobe products that I previously thought are so crucial for my business.

The thing that worries me about iPad Photoshop is that it is based on the same code that desktop version is created on. Not only we stuck in the last century but also have a product that is not written for a different processor architecture than Intel.

You may think that it's the result of subscription model, I would say it's the reason for the subscription model. They ran out of ideas and had not much in the pipeline for the software anymore, so they knew that there wouldn't be any incentive for users to upgrade every few years. That's why they switched to the subscription model. It's a similar situation to Microsoft Office.

 

[turbineseaplane]

What do you use photoshop for? That’s what I am asking.

Personal use - not business related as you do it sounds like.
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You may think that it's the result of subscription model, I would say it's the reason for the subscription model. They ran out of ideas and had not much in the pipeline for the software anymore, so they knew that there wouldn't be any incentive for users to upgrade every few years. That's why they switched to the subscription model. It's a similar situation to Microsoft Office.

So they made something and it sort of is what it is and we're supposed to just keep paying them for it forever even though they are now "out of ideas" as you said?

Are the customers some sort of welfare program for Adobe?

I've heard many arguments in favor of subscriptions, but none as brazen as "they are out of ideas so they just decide to charge us indefinitely".

 

[LVdustin]

Personal use - not business related as you do it sounds like.
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So they made something and it sort of is what it is and we're supposed to just keep paying them for it forever even though they are now "out of ideas" as you said?

Are the customers some sort of welfare program for Adobe?

I've heard many arguments in favor of subscriptions, but none as brazen as "they are out of ideas so they just decide to charge us indefinitely".

Gotcha, in that case, having a subscription model for personal use is super lame in many cases. Especially if I wasn’t using those applications all day, everyday. I remember back in the day I was all about using cracks or benefitting off being a student. Were you using photoshop before the subscription model was in place and if so, did you buy the license outright?

 

[turbineseaplane]

Gotcha, in that case, having a subscription model for personal use is super lame in many cases. Especially if I wasn’t using those applications all day, everyday. I remember back in the day I was all about using cracks or benefitting off being a student. Were you using photoshop before the subscription model was in place and if so, did you buy the license outright?

I was using Photoshop in the 90's - so "yes" - haha

It's honestly become something I now live without and use other alternatives. It just bums me out a bit because I enjoyed PS and knew it so very well, you know?

 

[Sunshoopa]

You have to have iPad OS. Boo! My iPad Pro 11 is buttery smooth on iOS 12. I'll pass.

And my 10.5” is buttery smooth on iOS 13.1. There’s really no speed difference to iOS 12>iOS 13 unlike iOS 11>iOS 12 where 11 was stutter city compared to 12. Skip 13.2 though for multitasking reasons.

If only it wasn’t sub maybe I’d use it. I’m no artist so it’d just be for editing stuff.