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Adobe Launches Premiere and Photoshop Elements 2022

I used to use Photoshop and Lightroom for a long time and was proud of how I had trained myself to work quickly in it.
Now I don't work with Adobe at all. There's simply better software out there, and I'm kind of tired of Adobe's workflow, which used to seem usable times ago.

I now work a lot with Apple's Photos, Affinity, Pixelmator (LUT for FCPX), FCPX and Luminar AI, all of which work well with each other.
I will never go back, Adobe's weird subscription marketing had driven me away at the time.
I think the Adobe generation will gradually die off, especially in the creative sector of Mac users.

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somnolentsurfer said:
I have trouble imagining anyone who needs more than what Apple Photos can do but doesn’t want to pay for full Photoshop who wouldn’t rather spend a little time learning more powerful software than spend the extra $50 for Elements over Affinity Photo.
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That time to learn does have a cost.

I'm still using an old version of Photoshop Elements, but have stuck with it because I have been using Adobe products for over 20 years. However, the main product I use is Illustrator CS4. My main Mac install is still on Mojave because of it. I'm not paying for an Adobe subscription, in part because I am disgusted at the UK price being over twice the USA cost. But the Affinity alternative doesn't do some things I needed the last time I used it after I bought it, and when I asked they didn't seem a possibility for the future.

TLDR: I'm still using Elements because I'm using other software with the same UI and know it.
 
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Why would I pay $100 for this when Photopea is free?

If anything people should buy from the alternative and keep competition alive and not give 1 company total control of the market.

neuropsychguy said:
I’m a longtime user of Adobe products but there are few reasons to get Photoshop Elements when we have such excellent alternatives — Affinity Photo, Pixelmator Pro, and Acorn.

These are all about 50% the price of Photoshop Elements and regularly go on sale.

Edit: I'm not affiliated with any of those companies or products. I've been using Adobe Photoshop off and on for almost 30 years. I use both Affinity and Pixelmator from time to time (and have never used Acorn) but use them much more than Photoshop. There are reasons to use Photoshop Elements but those are mainly if someone has been using it for years and can't or won't switch (or needs it for some other random reason). For anyone not yet in the Adobe ecosystem or who is willing and able to switch, the alternatives are terrific and cheaper.
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The Affinity prices are super deal! for like $150 you can get the 3 apps which is equivilant of 3 months of Adobe cloud suite

Which of these apps are most like photoshop? I am not looking for the ones that are more about correcting photos like Lightroom.




ruka.snow said:
Those products you suggest are way out of the scope of the user base that Photoshop Elements is aimed at. Affinity Photo is an excellent alternative to Photoshop, but way to complex for an Elements user.
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But its more expensive and Photopea is free

Moonjumper said:
DaVinci Resolve has a free version that is far more capable than most paid alternatives.
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How is the ease of use?
I once thought if GIMP was free why pay for Photoshop. I used it and I still have nightmares.
I can't believe peoople actually use that app, its one of the most unintuitive apps I used.
 
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I just bought the new Adobe Photoshop Elements 2022, and can confirm that it is indeed an Intel build on my M1 Mac Mini running under Rosetta and is NOT Native ARM code. Here is the version info from the About Menu:

Adobe Photoshop Elements Version: 20.0 (20210907.Git.master.dc62918) x64
Operating System: Mac OS 10.16.0

It appears to work OK on my M1 Mac Mini, just not a native app yet.
 
Artsketch said:
Are these native Apple Silicon?
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Nope. Deal-breaker for me. I'll wait, and continue to use my old Photoshop Elements on my spare, old, iMac. Strange that they come out with a brand-new version, and it's not M1 native (SMH).
 
CarlJ said:
I suspect a huge amount of it goes simply on name recognition - "photoshop" is a verb these days, and modified images are "photoshopped" in the common psyche, much like a tissue is almost invariably called a "kleenex". So when people want something more than Photos.app offers (and oftentimes they don't realize all that Photos.app can do), they think, "well, I need Photoshop".
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True. Many people simply think they need Photoshop just because of the brand. I often talk with people saying the need Photoshop just to resize/crop their pictures. The same with people thinking they need Adobe Acrobat to read PDF, even with macOS having Preview already.
 
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It's also for people who refuse to pay for Adobe's insane subscription monthly pricing. Even with the student pricing it's just outlandish.
 
MacBH928 said:
Which of these apps are most like photoshop? I am not looking for the ones that are more about correcting photos like Lightroom.
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Affinity Photo is the Photoshop replacement. Designer is the Illustrator equivalent. And Publisher is just straight up better than InDesign in pretty much every respect apart from not having right-to-left text support.
 
MacBH928 said:
How is the ease of use?
I once thought if GIMP was free why pay for Photoshop. I used it and I still have nightmares.
I can't believe peoople actually use that app, its one of the most unintuitive apps I used.
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I found DaVinci Resolve a lot easier to use than the current iMovie (which feels very unintuitive), although more difficult than the old iMovie.

As an example, I started using DaVinci because I needed to do portrait aspect ratio videos for the iOS App Store, and it can do that easily. I created my first 30 second video within a few hours after opening the software.

It is very capable, but you can do the basic things quite easily. You have to switch between the different categories of task, importing, editing, exporting, etc. which makes it look complicated, but actually makes it easier as you have only the relevant controls to hand.
 
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somnolentsurfer said:
Affinity Photo is the Photoshop replacement. Designer is the Illustrator equivalent. And Publisher is just straight up better than InDesign in pretty much every respect apart from not having right-to-left text support.
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Someday I’ll learn to use Affinity Photo / Designer / Publisher (all of which I've owned for several years). I’ve been using Photoshop since before Elements even existed - when they did create Elements it suited my purposes so I switched to that from the full package. Because it's familiar I end up using it (and Corel and Microsoft Publisher) instead of investing the time to get comfortable with knowing how to do what I need using my other software packages.
 
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ian87w said:
True. Many people simply think they need Photoshop just because of the brand. I often talk with people saying the need Photoshop just to resize/crop their pictures. The same with people thinking they need Adobe Acrobat to read PDF, even with macOS having Preview already.
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Ugh, yes, it annoys the hell out of me that, to this day, a large swath of the internet will put up a link to a PDF alongside "helpful" text explaining that in order to view the PDF one must download and install Adobe Acrobat (from a link they "helpfully" supply). And this is not just random people's sites, I've seen it on official government sites. Needing Acrobat to view PDFs hasn't been true for over a decade. Adobe has literally got governments pushing people towards using Acrobat for no reason. Talk about free advertising. On the Mac, Preview has been a better experience for viewing PDFs for many years, and it's already there, built in, for free, yet tens of thousands of websites are foisting Acrobat on unsuspecting people.
 
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somnolentsurfer said:
Affinity Photo is the Photoshop replacement. Designer is the Illustrator equivalent. And Publisher is just straight up better than InDesign in pretty much every respect apart from not having right-to-left text support.
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what about Pixelmator?
 
affinity design is too much to re-learn, but great for new users
and is forgiving in intel chips!
Adobe make great software, but just want to keep their grudge.
really adobe, Let use use our CS3 software in 2021!
 
MBAir2010 said:
who cares?
age does not matter
if something works, why can't we use that?

and why Adobe is petty and crude!
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First and foremost you should ask Apple, why you can't use Adobe CS3 on your shiny new Mac...

Because on the "other platform", you can install and use even Adobe CS2 (or maybe older):

I am still using Adobe CS5 Design Standard on my main PC with Windows 10 build 21H1 64-bit. And I would imagine, that it would also work under the new Windows 11. Not sure, because I didn't upgrade. Yet.
 
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opeter said:
First and foremost you should ask Apple, why you can't use Adobe CS3 on your shiny new Mac...
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I can't get  to work on my !
my point is, in a friendly manner, is adobe somehow stopped licensing and the use of products we already purchased.
1% like me we not happy
while the rest purchased new CS editions.
 
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