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In my book, Aperture is -the- killer application for OS X.

Depends entirely on your hardware though, it runs really badly on a Mac Mini. Lightroom on the other hand is fine (o.k. it slows when you've a lot of brush corrections etc, but other than that it's perfect on my C2D 2ghz Mini. Aperture 3 was painful in comparision).
 
I've always hated the separation between "Library" and "Develop" in Lightroom.

I never really understood this complaint. In Aperture, you have to switch the the Adjustments tab, in Lightroom, you have to switch to the Develop Module (i.e., press "d"). Big difference? Really?

Not to mention that many commands are independent of the module: Want to crop an image? Press "r", and you'll get the crop interface within the Develop Module, no matter where you were to begin with.
 
I think it all depends on how your brain is wired. I find Aperture more natural to use than Lightroom, and I've always hated the separation between "Library" and "Develop" in Lightroom. Also, Aperture has superior support for two screens - Lightroom was very late to that party and its implementation isn't nearly as good.

Aperture has bugs, sure. But I prefer it over Lightroom by an order of magnitude. In my book, Aperture is -the- killer application for OS X.

100% agreed, and based on the Lightroom 3 Beta, I don't see Lightroom catching up to Aperture as far as features go. I still use Lightroom for the main edits on the professional, client, freelance stuff, but after that I send the finished products right to Aperture for everything else.

There are also far more features for output on the Aperture side than Lightroom, and much better support for video.

Depends entirely on your hardware though, it runs really badly on a Mac Mini. Lightroom on the other hand is fine (o.k. it slows when you've a lot of brush corrections etc, but other than that it's perfect on my C2D 2ghz Mini. Aperture 3 was painful in comparision).

True, and Lightroom runs better than Aperture on any machine you put it on in terms of hardware. I just wish they'd drop the ridiculous module thing and put more InDesign book layout features into the program.

I never really understood this complaint. In Aperture, you have to switch the the Adjustments tab, in Lightroom, you have to switch to the Develop Module (i.e., press "d"). Big difference? Really?

Not to mention that many commands are independent of the module: Want to crop an image? Press "r", and you'll get the crop interface within the Develop Module, no matter where you were to begin with.

Yes, it does make a HUGE difference, especially when you are in the Develop module and want to move a project or switch to another project or make a slideshow, etc. etc. There is a huge difference between a HUD and a module/complete GUI change.

In Aperture you just press H and the hud comes up for the adjustments, or the projects (you decide) then you don't have to worry about that pseudo switch, you just click. And you can't make any finer adjustments from the Library module in LR. You can't create a new project or folder from the Develop or Slideshow modules. Those UI problems are a real PITA for a shooters that want optimum control.

Then there's the organization of the library that's still awful in LR. Even the difference in the little icons in Aperture is a great plus over LR.

I wouldn't shout for joy about the book layout features of Aperture, but I don't see why Adobe won't put something in there for LR with all of their desktop publishing experience. Same thing for the Flash galleries which could be MUCH better

And LR's adjustment tools need a serious overhaul since Aperture 3 was released. I haven't sunk my teeth deep into LR3 Beta, but with the small projects I did test on it I did feel that Adobe made well needed improvements, but you're getting the same nuances that keep me using both Aperture and LR.

p.s. Aperture 3 has made it even easier for me to use both programs, and keep metadata the same, another big plus.
 
I just don't want to download the academic version only to find out it has limited capabilities.

Being with a University for a long time means I've bought a lot of academic license software. I can't even remember the last time an application was functionally crippled, because normally the same "academic" pricing that applies to a student applies to the folks working on campus, and they won't tolerate crap like that. Adobe and Microsoft understand that if students learn on crippled software it cripples their experience level to get a real job. Seeing as they also want to hire smart students, that doesn't do anyone any good.
 
I've not read the specifics in this case, but in most cases, the only restriction on academic licenses is that they're not eligible for upgrade.
 
I've not read the specifics in this case, but in most cases, the only restriction on academic licenses is that they're not eligible for upgrade.

This is in fact the only major restriction.

Adobe, Apple, and others usually state that one cannot use an academic license for commercial use as well. But they don't really have a way to track that, so I am sure they let is slide.

But the major one is the lack of an upgrade path.
 
I've not read the specifics in this case, but in most cases, the only restriction on academic licenses is that they're not eligible for upgrade.

Not in the US at least, and I've been able to purchase upgrades to Educational products here in Europe as well.

"Upgrades don't have special education pricing. However, you can purchase upgrades for educational products at the regular upgrade prices from any Authorized Education Reseller."

Taken from here.
 
Not in the US at least, and I've been able to purchase upgrades to Educational products here in Europe as well.

"Upgrades don't have special education pricing. However, you can purchase upgrades for educational products at the regular upgrade prices from any Authorized Education Reseller."

Taken from here.

Are you talking about volume licensing, or individual student/educator prices?

In most cases buying a new education suite is much cheaper than buying the upgrade. Last I checked it was $450 for the Master Collection, and even upgrading from the previous version of the Master Collection was $899.
 
Are you talking about volume licensing, or individual student/educator prices?

Individual.

In most cases buying a new education suite is much cheaper than buying the upgrade. Last I checked it was $450 for the Master Collection, and even upgrading from the previous version of the Master Collection was $899.

Yes, that's been my experience too, although with apps bought separately the new educational prices are often about the same as the (non-educational, of course) upgrade prices.
 
There are also far more features for output on the Aperture side than Lightroom, and much better support for video.

To be fair, the final shipping version has more support for video than the beta version(s) did. Personally, all I need is is an app that will open the file in QT and point me to the location the file is at with the finder. Lightroom 3 does this. I'll use FCP or PP to do the editing; not some iMovie light app built into Aperture.
 
To be fair, the final shipping version has more support for video than the beta version(s) did. Personally, all I need is is an app that will open the file in QT and point me to the location the file is at with the finder. Lightroom 3 does this. I'll use FCP or PP to do the editing; not some iMovie light app built into Aperture.

I agree, but I more so like the slideshows integration with the video, which I hope to see in LR3.

I wouldn't waste my time editing DSLR footage in anything that can support DVCPRO50.
 
Funny....

Most people who say LR is FAR better talk about using Aperture 1.x! LOL...If you have NOT used Aperture 3 with all its refinements and editing tools then you have no clue. Ap3 has all but eliminated my need for photoshop...its that good...and when I do need it...it still keeps all my images from photoshop in my library...which spans 4 hard drives seamlessly. Not that LR3 cannot do this, but then when I wanna email an image, upload, all that other stuff it talks to every other app the way all my other Apple apps do...seamlessly.
 
Does anyone know, if it`s possible to "develop" videos like photography and use photo-look-presets on videos ?
Or is import the only thing working in LR3 ?

hope anybody knows this ... I cnanot find out !!!
Thanks alot in advance
 
How about the basic nuts and bolts of handling raw files? Which program does the best job of sharpening, lighting and all that? Do either of them have perspective controls?
 
Does anyone know, if it`s possible to "develop" videos like photography and use photo-look-presets on videos ?
Or is import the only thing working in LR3 ?

hope anybody knows this ... I cnanot find out !!!
Thanks alot in advance

Just import.

How about the basic nuts and bolts of handling raw files? Which program does the best job of sharpening, lighting and all that? Do either of them have perspective controls?

On which one has a better RAW engine you're again going to get different opinions. It also varies from camera to camera. Just download the trials if you want to see which you prefer.

Lightroom 3 has perspective correction. There are sliders for vertical and horizontal correction in the Lens Correction panel.
 
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