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Adobe Responds to Apple's Anti-Flash Stance With Comments on Openness, Ad Campaign
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Many "Flash" videos are h.264
Since the Flash container can be used to play h.264 files, they're even closer than many think.
Note this HTML script code:
Since the Flash container can be used to play h.264 files, they're even closer than many think.
Note this HTML script code:
Code:
var swf_url = 'http://www.domain.com/stp/flash/flowplayer.swf';
var controlbar_plugin_url = 'http://www.domain.com/stp/flash/flowplayer.controls.swf';
var stream_plugin_url = 'http://www.domain.com/stp/flash/flowplayer.pseudostreaming.swf';
var play_label = 'Play video';
var playagain_label = 'Play again';
var playlist = [ { url: 'http://flv.domain.com/flv/1488/vid.mp4' } ]
I'm sure they're already working on HTML5/Canvas export in Flash so that they'll be ready when those standards are ready. Are you suggesting they should've scrapped Flash (a standard that's been around for 15 years or so) *today* in favor of standards that aren't even properly (or uniformly) supported by browsers yet? HTML5/Canvas is still in its infancy, whether you like it or not.
It's like treehuggers expecting gasoline to go away tomorrow. Yeah yeah, there's ethanol, there's electric cars, there's hydrogen, but just because something exists and looks promising for the future doesn't mean that the time is right for a mass exodus.
It is your decision. You can do anything you want with Flash, just not on Apple's mobile products. I don't understand why that concept is so hard to grasp? You do have choice.
Go ahead and create a Flash website. If people want to see it, they won't use an iPhone. If you want to attact iPhone users, don't use Flash. It's pretty simple.
h.264 was created by an open standards body. It is open.
It is not open source, and it is not free, but it is open.
In counter point, due to patents and licensing, there is a very strong argument to be made that there can be no free video codecs, and even users of open source codecs would find themselves at the end of an infringement lawsuit.
So companies have two real options for video content: software Flash encoding (closed, not free, not open source), or h.264 (open, not free, not open source).
This point is almost moot, anyway, as few encode in Flash anymore; most video is encoded in h.264 already and delivered in a Flash wrapper.
So then the argument becomes how the video is delivered to the user, where it truly crystallizes into Flash vs. HTML5. And on this point, there is no question about what is more open.
Huh? Give me a break Adobe, you're sounding pitiful. Who controls the Web? What does that have to do with whether Flash is a good developer tool for publishing on the web? Anyone can publish anything on the web with HTML5, so I don't understand this hint of Apple stepping on our first amendment rights by not supporting flash. Oohhh . . . as ominous and evil sounding music builds in the background . . . . . "Apple is trying to own the Web".
nope, not feeling it Adobe, just not that scary or believable.
Apple isn't stopping ANYONE from doing ANYTHING on the web, just because they think your product sucks.
And anyone who discounts Apple's influence here is not too bright. Simple dollars. Even if Apple only has 5% of a market, a content deliverer would have to be stupid to willingly cut out a market of millions because he wants to publish with Flash instead of HTML5. Same general investment of time and money to create the content, may as well create it on a broader platform that all can see. Forbes recently estimated over 40 million iPhone users, and they love to use their mobile browser. Would you disregard them?
Besides, we all know who owns the web; Google
as well as all books,
all satellite imagery,
all information,
all . . . . . . . .
nope, not feeling it Adobe, just not that scary or believable.
Apple isn't stopping ANYONE from doing ANYTHING on the web, just because they think your product sucks.
And anyone who discounts Apple's influence here is not too bright. Simple dollars. Even if Apple only has 5% of a market, a content deliverer would have to be stupid to willingly cut out a market of millions because he wants to publish with Flash instead of HTML5. Same general investment of time and money to create the content, may as well create it on a broader platform that all can see. Forbes recently estimated over 40 million iPhone users, and they love to use their mobile browser. Would you disregard them?
Besides, we all know who owns the web; Google
as well as all books,
all satellite imagery,
all information,
all . . . . . . . .
Say, for arguments sake, that apple allowed flash to run on it's iDevice:
* i would have no support for mouse-over actions
* i would have no support for clicking and dragging
* i imagine full-flash webpages would render incorrectly in Safari.
(please correct me if i am wrong anywhere)
... To be honest i am happy to sacrifice flash outright on my mobile devices if it avoids running fundamentally flawed and unusable flash objects on the internet.
Nobody is suggesting Apple are pulling flash support in the full version of Safari. So whats the problem?
* i would have no support for mouse-over actions
* i would have no support for clicking and dragging
* i imagine full-flash webpages would render incorrectly in Safari.
(please correct me if i am wrong anywhere)
... To be honest i am happy to sacrifice flash outright on my mobile devices if it avoids running fundamentally flawed and unusable flash objects on the internet.
Nobody is suggesting Apple are pulling flash support in the full version of Safari. So whats the problem?
All that is getting very interesting!!! ha ha ha
Apple crushes Adobe's face!
Then, Adobe gives a good punch to Apple's stomach!
What's next???
Not joking now.
I think, that is a very good response to all of that Steve's ****.
Things are never so bad, as they are never so good.
However, Flash is what it is, a defacto standard, and open in many ways, maybe it has to be totally open. It may be better, like many things in this world, but it is here by its own merit.
But what Steve has done with Flash is no correct in any way.
He tries to kill Flash by its own interests, not for all that "opensource, user experience, etc" bulls#&t.
When you give too many weak reasons, usually means that you are not giving the real and main reason.
I hope not all companies follow Apple on that.
Flash is a good corss-plataform environment, and you can do many different things with it, and it's present in almost all platforms and all over the web.
I like Apple products and general philosophy, but on that, I'm totally opposed.
I wanted to buy the first iPhone, but all that "change your provider, buddy!!" and "sorry, no flash", made me change my mind.
iPhoneOS environment is so much "closed" for me, I will never buy an iPhoneOS device if Apple doesn't change very much its direction.
Just waiting for the first Android tablet, with, camera, free apps, Flash and ALL the web available.
Apple crushes Adobe's face!
Then, Adobe gives a good punch to Apple's stomach!
What's next???
Not joking now.
I think, that is a very good response to all of that Steve's ****.
Things are never so bad, as they are never so good.
However, Flash is what it is, a defacto standard, and open in many ways, maybe it has to be totally open. It may be better, like many things in this world, but it is here by its own merit.
But what Steve has done with Flash is no correct in any way.
He tries to kill Flash by its own interests, not for all that "opensource, user experience, etc" bulls#&t.
When you give too many weak reasons, usually means that you are not giving the real and main reason.
I hope not all companies follow Apple on that.
Flash is a good corss-plataform environment, and you can do many different things with it, and it's present in almost all platforms and all over the web.
I like Apple products and general philosophy, but on that, I'm totally opposed.
I wanted to buy the first iPhone, but all that "change your provider, buddy!!" and "sorry, no flash", made me change my mind.
iPhoneOS environment is so much "closed" for me, I will never buy an iPhoneOS device if Apple doesn't change very much its direction.
Just waiting for the first Android tablet, with, camera, free apps, Flash and ALL the web available.
I think the reason Apple does not want Flash on the iPhone or iPad... [because it would] ....lead to more crashes. Adobe's Gala Preview is a step in the right direction when it comes to CPU usage but it is still taking my browser down occasionally.
Apple's all about control. Even if Flash player were perfect, Apple doesn't want any piece of software on the iPhone OS it can't control. Crashing is irrelevant... how quickly we forget the early days of Mobile Safari on iPhone OS; it seemed every other website with a piece of javascript crashed the iPhone one way of the other.
And Apple just wants people to not have a crappy iPad experience due to Flash and then tell their friends how buggy the iPad is. Apple is a private company - they have a right to CHOOSE to keep Flash off their product. Just like you have a choice to buy a different product.
Remember the whole websites made of flash? What's a video codec in comparison to this?
Do you also hate the misinformation that the Gala release solves all of Flash's bloat problems?
Lol @ Adobe actually thinking they are an "open" platform.
Anyone HTML5 apps can be created in a free text editor with any browser that supports it.
Flash required expensive proprietary software and a platform capable of running the software AND for people to have a resource hungry plugin.
I think I will stick to HTML and Javascript and create better apps for free.
Anyone HTML5 apps can be created in a free text editor with any browser that supports it.
Flash required expensive proprietary software and a platform capable of running the software AND for people to have a resource hungry plugin.
I think I will stick to HTML and Javascript and create better apps for free.
if Adobe really loved Choice
They would work very hard to integrate HTML5 into their product rather than making most of the design apps Flash heavy/dependent. I didn't like that in CS4 and I really don't like it in CS5, which is why CS3 was the last time I upgraded.
They would work very hard to integrate HTML5 into their product rather than making most of the design apps Flash heavy/dependent. I didn't like that in CS4 and I really don't like it in CS5, which is why CS3 was the last time I upgraded.
Why would Flash in itself be important? What's important is access to content. Nobody cares what #=)("#"%! platform it was made on. It's not like Flash games or Flash videos have a special flavor that separate them from other similar content.
Let's formulate the problem correctly here.
The problem isn't "oh no my iPhone can't do Flash, what a pity, I love Flash!"
The problem is "my iPhone keeps showing me weird empty boxes instead of content, and this is apparently happening to me because Adobe's and Apple's CEOs are both five years old and busy peeing on eachother in a sandbox."
not sure where you've been looking, but it has been so easy .. why have we been waiting for 3 years ? Also where are there blogs out there of the first demo going so badly wrong?
If Adobe had got a good working version of flash 3 years ago do you really think we would be in this mess ?
not sure where you've been looking, but if it has been so easy .. why have we been waiting for 3 years ? Also where are there blogs out there of the first demo going so badly wrong?
If Adobe had got a good working version of flash 3 years ago do you really think we would be in this mess ?
You can. Go for it. But why haven't you asked yourself why can't Apple do whatever they want? Apple's not forcing you to do anything, but you want to force Apple to put a feature on their product against their will. Why should you be able to do that?
And it has nothing to do with the developers of the website trying to show off their skills in creating annoying animations and pointless transitions in the place of real content on their site. Using flash in such a way that a THIRD PARTY plugin is REQUIRED to view their content.
I, for one, welcome the empty boxes. I have ClickToFlash installed and rarely find myself clicking. Sure there are times when I have to, not by choice but because the absent minded developer decided to go all out in flash on a site i need to use (I'm pointing to YOU ORACLE and your g'damn Flash based support site which doesn't work half the time in Safari).