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Adobe Shows Off Photoshop for iPad With Layer Support

When you release InDesign and/or Illustrator for the iPad, we'll talk.

Within 5 years, more and more work is going to be stored on the cloud. This could allow you access to linked fonts and images via a wireless connection. And being able to move images around a page with your finger would involve a learning curve, but it wouldn't be impossible - especially with some of the CS5 smart guides. Add in support for some keyboard shortcuts via a wireless keyboard, and you might have a viable product.

Sigh. A designer can dream, right?
 
vader_slri said:
http://thefall.gorillaz.com/
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The Gorillaz love to experiment and Damon Albarn mentioned himself that he loves to challenge himself whist creating his works. In other words, this will not be a continuing trend. I doubt very much will other artists will follow suit.

That said: touche. I can't believe I missed that. I think I need to strike out the word impossible and put impractical.
 
If Adobe provides comprehensive .psd support, I can see this being useful as a companion to Photoshop. It obviously isn't intended to "be" Photoshop.

Let's say you got a meeting with a client who wants to see your work. Photoshop is pretty heavy handed and can get in the way if you need to demo something. But on an iPad.... a client could say "what would it look like if our logo was down there..." or that "type was a shade darker" or whatever and you can prototype on it. So when you get back to your underground design lair the change already comes across just by opening the original .psd.
 
roadbloc said:
I'm guessing this is sarcasm.

It is a toy. You can't seriously think that professionals are going to depend on Photoshop for iPad and throw away their computer can you? That's like throwing away your computer because GarageBand is also available on the iPad, and attempting to produce an album on an iPad. Impossible.

No matter what Steve says, it is a toy! I think it is brilliant you can do these things on such a simple product for the average user, but they are nothing more than for... the average user.
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+1 I know I won't.

If it had a fully functional lightroom.. thats another story.
 
Maybe I'm the only one that thinks this, but, while it's a cool demo, I'd probably never use this. The iPad would have to reach at least the amount of control and sensitivity of a Cintiq to make this useful. So it's cool that Adobe is working on it, and maybe with future revs of hardware, the iPad will get to that point (I really hope it does). But it all still seems like finger painting to me until you have control with some sort of drawing utensil. The funny thing is, Steve Jobs - the man who spouts and gushes over creating tools by artists for artists, and - is the one man leading the fight against any sort of stylus for use with the iDevices. While I agree with him on use throughout the iOS interface, all artists are NOT created equal. I've seen fantastic work by some of the guys using their fingers with those paint programs, but I'd say for the majority of artists out there, the real key is going to be getting a stylus that works properly in a drawing or painting app on the iOS.

At the studio I work at, the day the iPad was announced, there were about 40 people that were willing to blow up to $1k on the iPad had it come out with some sort of stylus support - not for interface, but for drawing. These are people that use Cintiqs day in and day out. When the price point of $499 was announced their jaws dropped in unison. SOLD! But when no stylus was announced and when Jobs said "If you are using a stylus, you are doing it wrong", there was a collective sigh and gnashing of teeth. Not a single person purchased one.

So while it was a cool demo, it's still a hard sell to people who do this stuff all day, everyday for a living. Let's see a real stylus for artwork from Apple that is meant to work with the touchscreen on iOS and let's see it blow everything else away!

Until then, maybe this is the best we can hope for.

The Cosmonaut
 
roadbloc said:
I'm guessing this is sarcasm.

It is a toy. You can't seriously think that professionals are going to depend on Photoshop for iPad and throw away their computer can you? That's like throwing away your computer because GarageBand is also available on the iPad, and attempting to produce an album on an iPad. Impossible.

No matter what Steve says, it is a toy! I think it is brilliant you can do these things on such a simple product for the average user, but they are nothing more than for... the average user.
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Exactly.
 
The iPad is a nice toy. Not particularly capable, but Apple doesn't care!

That's nice, but…

- Although the colour rendition of images on the iPad screen is to me preferable to that of My calibrated MacBook Pro (ColorMunki), it most likely won't show accurate colours. And one can't calibrate it.

- You can't properly edit pictures by finger input. Unless iPad 3 comes to support dual input (Wacom pen or similar for editing images, along with the capacitative touchscreen for regular work), no postproduction application will make much sense for it. Fancy, one has to make fine selections… with a finger??? Isn't that an amusing thought!

- How many PSD, TIFF, uncompressed PDF, RAW files will iPad's measly storage contain, along with music, a plethora of apps and so forth??? One, two? Ridiculous!

- iPad's screen may have the same resolution per inch as my 17" MacBook Pro, but it shows even more - quite a bit more - pixelation than the latter (because it's generally held at shorter distances from the eyes). It won't be of much use in accurately determining the focus. 1920x1020 will suffice, but not its current resolution.

iPad is perfect. For grannies and teenagers. For professionals it's perfectly useless (well, not entirely: one can manage meetings with clients, etc. But certainly not edit pictures or draw!)
 
roadbloc said:
The Gorillaz love to experiment and Damon Albarn mentioned himself that he loves to challenge himself whist creating his works. In other words, this will not be a continuing trend. I doubt very much will other artists will follow suit.

That said: touche. I can't believe I missed that. I think I need to strike out the word impossible and put impractical.
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I fully agree that this won't be a mainstream endeavour. I just had to object to the "Impossible" claim. ;)
 
thedarkhalf said:
It may be fun for play, but I cant see anything real being done on that. Most high end photo editors wont even use a trackpad/laptop...

Now if they can make it double as a wacom for a desktop and mirror the image form the computer.. now youre talking :)

And from a user standpoint, having all menus buried and no keyboard shortcuts, you're expanding the time to edit drastically.
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do you own an ipad even? if you did you'd see that there are already some pretty serious apps that do a lot of the thing photoshop can do. also did you listen to the ma at all? this is a way to get work done where having a computer isn't so convenient. you need to do some research before making a a statement like i can't see anything real being done on that. the only difference between a wacom and ipad is pressure sensitivity. well that and price. a color wacom is more expensive and more focused to do one thing very well. below is a link to an artist who does most of their work on an ipad. check it out and tell me it's just a thing for fun!! if photoshop brings a serious app, a 2GB app it will be extremely useful. i'm a comic book illustrator just getting started on the ipad and i see great potential here. i'd like to see retina display mainly for better zoom in when drawing. but the ipad is way more than fun for play.

http://web.me.com/shvartsur/Olechka/Home.html
 
skellener said:
Maybe I'm the only one that thinks this, but, while it's a cool demo, I'd probably never use this. The iPad would have to reach at least the amount of control and sensitivity of a Cintiq to make this useful. So it's cool that Adobe is working on it, and maybe with future revs of hardware, the iPad will get to that point (I really hope it does). But it all still seems like finger painting to me until you have control with some sort of drawing utensil. The funny thing is, Steve Jobs - the man who spouts and gushes over creating tools by artists for artists, and - is the one man leading the fight against any sort of stylus for use with the iDevices. While I agree with him on use throughout the iOS interface, all artists are NOT created equal. I've seen fantastic work by some of the guys using their fingers with those paint programs, but I'd say for the majority of artists out there, the real key is going to be getting a stylus that works properly in a drawing or painting app on the iOS.

At the studio I work at, the day the iPad was announced, there were about 40 people that were willing to blow up to $1k on the iPad had it come out with some sort of stylus support - not for interface, but for drawing. These are people that use Cintiqs day in and day out. When the price point of $499 was announced their jaws dropped in unison. SOLD! But when no stylus was announced and when Jobs said "If you are using a stylus, you are doing it wrong", there was a collective sigh and gnashing of teeth. Not a single person purchased one.

So while it was a cool demo, it's still a hard sell to people who do this stuff all day, everyday for a living. Let's see a real stylus for artwork from Apple that is meant to work with the touchscreen on iOS and let's see it blow everything else away!

Until then, maybe this is the best we can hope for.

The Cosmonaut
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I concur head to toe with your post!
 
LeoNobilis said:
That's nice, but…

- Although the colour rendition of images on the iPad screen is to me preferable to that of My calibrated MacBook Pro (ColorMunki), it most likely won't show accurate colours. And one can't calibrate it.

- You can't properly edit pictures by finger input. Unless iPad 3 comes to support dual input (Wacom pen or similar for editing images, along with the capacitative touchscreen for regular work), no postproduction application will make much sense for it. Fancy, one has to make fine selections… with a finger??? Isn't that an amusing thought!

- How many PSD, TIFF, uncompressed PDF, RAW files will iPad's measly storage contain, along with music, a plethora of apps and so forth??? One, two? Ridiculous!

- iPad's screen may have the same resolution per inch as my 17" MacBook Pro, but it shows even more - quite a bit more - pixelation than the latter (because it's generally held at shorter distances from the eyes). It won't be of much use in accurately determining the focus. 1920x1020 will suffice, but not its current resolution.

iPad is perfect. For grannies and teenagers. For professionals it's perfectly useless (well, not entirely: one can manage meetings with clients, etc. But certainly not edit pictures or draw!)
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i can show you at least 20 digital artists using ipad for their work. just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not true!! plus it's awesome to have as an artist because you can work anywhere. is it the same as having a mac pro desktop, adobe cs5 and a 20 inch citiq? no. but it's under $1000 and can be used everywhere!
 
LeoNobilis said:
Jobs is a bloody populist and a charlatan. A genius, undoubtedly. An aesthete (in visuals, certainly not in music!), but a cheat nevertheless… The most skillful cheat in existence.
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Wow, "Check out the big brain on Brad!" (Pulp Fiction reference)I honestly had to look up the word aesthete. When you have conversations with people, do they look at you with glossed over eyeballs?

:D
 
Al Coholic said:
As a professional photographer this thing is (and always will be) an "App Store" toy - nothing more.

The iPad will never have the horse power to do what pros need.
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You're telling me that a pro photographer wouldn't want to use his fat index finger to edit photos on an iPad? For shame! :p
 
skellener said:
Maybe I'm the only one that thinks this, but, while it's a cool demo, I'd probably never use this. The iPad would have to reach at least the amount of control and sensitivity of a Cintiq to make this useful. So it's cool that Adobe is working on it, and maybe with future revs of hardware, the iPad will get to that point (I really hope it does). But it all still seems like finger painting to me until you have control with some sort of drawing utensil. The funny thing is, Steve Jobs - the man who spouts and gushes over creating tools by artists for artists, and - is the one man leading the fight against any sort of stylus for use with the iDevices. While I agree with him on use throughout the iOS interface, all artists are NOT created equal. I've seen fantastic work by some of the guys using their fingers with those paint programs, but I'd say for the majority of artists out there, the real key is going to be getting a stylus that works properly in a drawing or painting app on the iOS.

At the studio I work at, the day the iPad was announced, there were about 40 people that were willing to blow up to $1k on the iPad had it come out with some sort of stylus support - not for interface, but for drawing. These are people that use Cintiqs day in and day out. When the price point of $499 was announced their jaws dropped in unison. SOLD! But when no stylus was announced and when Jobs said "If you are using a stylus, you are doing it wrong", there was a collective sigh and gnashing of teeth. Not a single person purchased one.

So while it was a cool demo, it's still a hard sell to people who do this stuff all day, everyday for a living. Let's see a real stylus for artwork from Apple that is meant to work with the touchscreen on iOS and let's see it blow everything else away!

Until then, maybe this is the best we can hope for.

The Cosmonaut
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I agree with most of what you're saying... but I think it's adobe's goal to push the most creative software on whatever they can. It's Apple's goal to provide the best experience for most people. Way more people are interested in using an iPad without a stylus - why sacrifice all those people for the minority of artists.

You want to draw, grab a wacom and mac.
 
Al Coholic said:
As a professional photographer this thing is (and always will be) an "App Store" toy - nothing more.

The iPad will never have the horse power to do what pros need.
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So true. I will also stand with you that humanity has reached its technological peak, and there is nothing left to be invented. All we have to do now is lean back and smile at our incredible achievements.

Those fools who waste their time using their imaginations... Better to just appreciate all that currently exists and discourage others who try to imagine better possibilities. Amiright?

Sure, in the 80s we were the ones that said the personal computer, upon its release, was nothing more than a toy, despite it absurd popularity. So, okay, we were wrong then, but I assure you, not this time! Not this time!!
 
Although this is pretty cool, being a Web Designer, I'll never see myself using this, manipulating with a finger is difficult, especially when it comes to creating web interfaces & getting accuracy, because you have to remember we are working with pixels, there is no way u can get the accuracy of a mouse through any tablet..

Apart from that, even for professional photographers or those who do illustration I don't think they could make any real use out of this, at least not at this stage, we are use to using either keyboard (shortcuts) + mouse, or a wacom..
 
I see tablet as a perfect tool for photo manipulation. Adobe should really push in this direction aggressively. To create a usable, not over complicated UI, tools optimized for finger touch, and with the power of original PS.
 
Yamcha said:
Although this is pretty cool, being a Web Designer, I'll never see myself using this, manipulating with a finger is difficult, especially when it comes to creating web interfaces & getting accuracy, because you have to remember we are working with pixels, there is no way u can get the accuracy of a mouse through any tablet..

Apart from that, even for professional photographers or those who do illustration I don't think they could make any real use out of this, at least not at this stage, we are use to using either keyboard (shortcuts) + mouse, or a wacom..
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Pixels +Fingers = :(
 
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