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Adobe Testing MacBook Air-Optimized Version of Flash Player

err404 said:
This gets the the root of my issue with Flash. The fact that Adobe has to optimize the code for a specific laptop means they have too much control over the user experience.
Less popular devices (and OS's) will not get the same attention from Adobe and therefore wont see this type of system specific optimization.

Adobe should take the lead on the Flash OpenScreen project and release a functional open source Flash player as a basis for others to optimize on their own player.
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Flash. The fact that Adobe has to optimize the code for a specific laptop means they have too much control over the user experience.
Less popular devices (and OS's) will not get the same attention from Adobe and therefore wont see this type of system specific optimization.
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The fact that Adobe has to optimize the code for a specific laptop means they have too much control over the user experience.
Less popular devices (and OS's) will not get the same attention
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they have too much control over the user experience.
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So just to confirm, you're leveraging what is possibly the biggest complaint with Apple in general to criticize adobe?
I mean, macs are great....but seriously? They have more control over their user experience than anyone.
 
asdf542 said:
No he wasn't. Flash Player Square is just a 64-bit version of Flash. It has nothing to do with hardware acceleration.
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Yes he was...

He never mentioned, not even with a single word, that they have any specific MB Air player (which if you think about it makes no sense anyway!)...

Hence problem with this site which simply copy / pastes any random nonsense out there without even checking info before posting!!!

Misinformation and lie...
 
-=XX=-Nephilim said:
Yes he was...

He never mentioned, not even with a single word, that they have any specific MB Air player (which if you think about it makes no sense anyway!)...

Hence problem with this site which simply copy / pastes any random nonsense out there without even checking info before posting!!!

Misinformation and lie...
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I never said that Adobe was making a specific MacBook Air player. I stated that they weren't in my first post in this thread that you read because you replied to me. I'm stating that he was lying about hardware acceleration availability and the tests that were done using the hardware accelerated version of Flash that again, has shipped since August of this year.
 
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asdf542 said:
I never said that Adobe was making a specific MacBook Air player. I stated that they weren't in my first post in this thread that you read because you replied to me. I'm stating that he was lying about hardware acceleration availability and the tests that were done using the hardware accelerated version of Flash that again, has shipped since August of this year.
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Let me ask you few questions:

1. Have you tried using 10.2 BETA as yet?

2. Considering it is BETA do you notice any improvements in CPU usage when it comes down to video / hw acceleration?

3. What is the title of this news post on MR?

4. Does it represent utter misinformation?

5. Do you think MR is doing their JOB when it comes down to informative and objective reporting (specifically when related to Adobe / Flash)?
 
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-=XX=-Nephilim said:
Let me ask you few questions:

1. Have you tried using 10.2 BETA as yet?

2. Considering it is BETA do you notice any improvements in CPU usage when it comes down to video / hw acceleration?

3. What is the title of this news post on MR?

4. Does it represent utter misinformation?

5. Do you think MR is doing their JOB when it comes down to informative and objective reporting (specifically when related to Adobe / Flash)?
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1. Yes.

2. No. I've already told you this. Hardware acceleration has shipped in Flash since August. Why is this so hard for you to understand? The only thing of note in the Square beta is it being 64-bit.

3. My original post was explaining that there won't be an optimized version of Flash for the Air.

4. I was the one who posted the video and said that the article wasn't correct.

5. Why should I care? It's just a tech blog. Humans make mistakes.
 
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asdf542 said:
1. Yes.

2. No. I've already told you this. Hardware acceleration has shipped in Flash since August. Why is this so hard for you to understand? The only thing of note in the Square beta is it being 64-bit.

3. My original post was explaining that there won't be an optimized version of Flash for the Air.

4. I was the one who posted the video and said that the article wasn't correct.

5. Why should I care? It's just a tech blog. Humans make mistakes.
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1. Good :) So do you think that there might be a slim chance that they might have Beta 3 coming out soon or indeed that they might do something to speed up hw acceleration before final release!?

Sorry but my MBP is almost 4 years old and daddy Steve didn't want to help Adobe to make hw accelerated software for my computer...

2. Really? Read above... I am up to date with Flash much more than you think I am - but thanks to SJ I am not able to enjoy benefits of hw acceleration...

3. I know - great post!

4. I know - I even thanked you for posting it!

5. I do care, simply because Fox News like 'journalism' of reporting any random bs out there is WRONG! And that is exactly what MR is doing constantly...
 
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1) No, hardware acceleration is already in the current version of Flash 10.1. This current 10.2 beta, again, has nothing to do with hardware acceleration.

2) Your 4-year old MacBook Pro isn't capable of doing hardware acceleration on Windows either so don't blame Apple for that. That's the physical hardware limitation. It has absolutely nothing to do with what OS you are running.
 
asdf542 said:
1) No, hardware acceleration is already in the current version of Flash 10.1. This current 10.2 beta, again, has nothing to do with hardware acceleration.

2) Your 4-year old MacBook Pro isn't capable of doing hardware acceleration on Windows either so don't blame Apple for that. That's the physical hardware limitation. It has absolutely nothing to do with what OS you are running.
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1. Well, I would suggest to wait for the final release before concluding anything...

2. Not true... NVidia 8600M GT in MBP is supported but not in OS X due to daddy Steve being what he is... a bastard :)
 
-=XX=-Nephilim said:
1. Well, I would suggest to wait for the final release before concluding anything...

2. Not true... NVidia 8600M GT in MBP is supported but not in OS X due to daddy Steve being what he is... a bastard :)
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1) Sorry, but you were wrong. Hardware acceleration is already in the current release of Flash. Just accept it.

2) If you have a MacBook Pro with an 8600M GT then it isn't 4 years old. And if you think 'Steve' (you think he's the sole person in charge of everything at Apple?) is a bastard for not including your graphics card for hardware accelerated tasks then you need to sort your priorities out.

Oh and without hardware acceleration support that means HTML5 isn't hardware accelerated either, yet HTML5 video still uses less resources than Flash. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
asdf542 said:
1) Sorry, but you were wrong. Hardware acceleration is already in the current release of Flash. Just accept it.

2) If you have a MacBook Pro with an 8600M GT then it isn't 4 years old. And if you think 'Steve' (you think he's the sole person in charge of everything at Apple?) is a bastard for not including your graphics card for hardware accelerated tasks then you need to sort your priorities out.

Oh and without hardware acceleration support that means HTML5 isn't hardware accelerated either, yet HTML5 video still uses less resources than Flash. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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1. I don't think so... :) And will you finally accept that I can't enjoy hw acceleration not because of hardware but only and exclusively because of Steve Jobs.

By the way, watch this preview and Macbook Air player demo:

part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt_VTaZC87k

part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_9Hejk3WsU&feature=related


2. I said it is ALMOST 4 years old... And yes SJ is a bastard...


Anyway, watch that videos and get informed! ;)

I suggest the same for other readers since you won't get this info from MR...
 
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-=XX=-Nephilim said:
1. I don't think so... :) And will you finally accept that I can't enjoy hw acceleration not because of hardware but only and exclusively because of Steve Jobs.

By the way, watch this preview and Macbook Air player demo:

part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt_VTaZC87k

part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_9Hejk3WsU&feature=related


2. I said it is ALMOST 4 years old... And yes SJ is a bastard...


Anyway, watch that videos and get informed! ;)

I suggest the same from other readers since you won't get this info from MR...
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My god, I seriously think I'm arguing with a 12 year old.

http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/systemreqs/#video

It's clear as day on Adobe's own site that the current final version of Flash on Mac OS X has hardware acceleration support. End of story. You are wrong.

Did you even read the Flash Player Square description?
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/

"Adobe® Flash® Player "Square" is a preview release that enables native 64-bit support on Linux, Mac OS, and Windows operating systems, as well as enhanced support for Microsoft Internet Explorer 9 beta."

THAT'S IT. Nothing to do with hardware acceleration.

What about those videos you posted? It has no relevance to what I'm talking about.

This still stands:
Oh and without hardware acceleration support that means HTML5 isn't hardware accelerated either, yet HTML5 video still uses less resources than Flash. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

And adding to this hardware accelerated HTML5 uses less resources than hardware accelerated Flash so get off of your Adobe love boat.
 
asdf542 said:
My god, I seriously think I'm arguing with a 12 year old.

1) http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/systemreqs/#video

It's clear as day on Adobe's own site that the current final version of Flash on Mac OS X has hardware acceleration support. End of story. You are wrong.

Did you even read the Flash Player Square description?
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/

"Adobe® Flash® Player "Square" is a preview release that enables native 64-bit support on Linux, Mac OS, and Windows operating systems, as well as enhanced support for Microsoft Internet Explorer 9 beta."

THAT'S IT. Nothing to do with hardware acceleration.

What about those videos you posted? It has no relevance to what I'm talking about.

This still stands:
Oh and without hardware acceleration support that means HTML5 isn't hardware accelerated either, yet HTML5 video still uses less resources than Flash. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

And adding to this hardware accelerated HTML5 uses less resources than hardware accelerated Flash so get off your Adobe love boat.
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Trust me - I feel the same!

Watch the first video again - it is demoing UNRELEASED flash player (most likely 10.2)

Watch the difference between current version on MB Air and what is coming up soon!

Talking about 12 years old...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt_VTaZC87k

Watch it man!


Oh and without hardware acceleration support that means HTML5 isn't hardware accelerated either, yet HTML5 video still uses less resources than Flash. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

And adding to this hardware accelerated HTML5 uses less resources than hardware accelerated Flash so get off of your Adobe love boat.
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And this is not true at all...

8% CPU usage for full screen HD flash video on MB Air!

Show me the HTML 5 version please :)

I am waiting...


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By the way, it is MOST likely Adobe guy was talking about this version of Flash Player (see video above) and certainly NOT some MB Air specific one...
 
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-=XX=-Nephilim said:
Trust me - I feel the same!

Watch the first video again - it is demoing UNRELEASED flash player (most likely 10.2)

Watch the difference between current version on MB Air and what is coming up soon!

Talking about 12 years old...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt_VTaZC87k

Watch it man!
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Sorry, but this isn't what he was talking about. He stated that the 'beta' was already readily available and Flash Player Square has nothing to do with this new Stage Video API. You once again, are wrong.

And this is not true at all...

8% CPU usage for full screen HD flash video on MB Air!

Show me the HTML 5 version please :)

I am waiting...


EDIT:

By the way it is MOST likely Adobe guy was talking about this version of Flash Player (see video above) and certainly NOT some MB Air specific one...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP7A09ty1do

Hardware accelerated Flash vs Hardware accelerated HTML5. Lol
 
StageVideo API is ready now and with 10.2 you will see it everywhere :)

And I think 8% CPU for FULL SCREEN is much better than 20% in the window...

Man... :D

HTML5 is great and I honestly have nothing against it at all...

But for certain things, including video, Flash will always be MUCH better - fact!

:)
 
This API is built for DESKTOPS - but not only! It will trickle to TVs and other devices too...
 
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-=XX=-Nephilim said:
This API is built for DESKTOPS - but not only! It will trickle to TVs and other devices too...
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LOL, I'm the clueless one. Good one.

This unreleased API is NOT currently in the beta. You lost. End of story. What he stated was incorrect and you are just trying to defend this guy because you have a hard on for Flash content.
 
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asdf542 said:
LOL, I'm the clueless one. Good one.

This unreleased API is NOT currently in the beta. You lost. End of story. What he stated was incorrect and you are just trying to defend this guy because you have a hard on for Flash content.
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I think you are getting bit stressed now... :)

10.2+ with StageVideo API will set the new standard in video delivery - not only across all the desktops / browsers but other devices such as TVs... And this, my dear friend, is a fact!

Anyway, at least we do agree about one thing - that this article is utter rubbish, misinformation, lie and great example of crap journalism...

Enjoy your day :)
 
-=XX=-Nephilim said:
10.2+ with StageVideo API will set the new standard in video delivery - not only across all the desktops / browsers but other devices such as TVs... And this, my dear friend, is a fact!
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No it isn't. Too little too late comes to mind. They didn't show anything in relation to mobile Flash Player which runs like complete garbage. This new API doesn't change anything.
 
asdf542 said:
No it isn't. Too little too late comes to mind. They didn't show anything in relation to mobile Flash Player which runs like complete garbage. This new API doesn't change anything.
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Mobile player works PERFECTLY - stop spreading lies...

It is AWESOME and I suggest to anyone who cares about FULL web to switch to Android asap...

New API changes EVERYTHING and expect to enjoy it on your TV set and browser very soon indeed :)

All the best!
 
anubis said:
I get the impression that if it wasn't for Steve constantly pressuring and harassing Adobe to fix Flash and make it a reasonable experience on the Mac, Adobe would be doing absolutely nothing to improve their Mac version of Flash. Good for Steve. It shouldn't take a nonstop stream of public shaming to cause Adobe to actually fix their software.
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This.

Not that it really matters anymore. The industry has, and is, moving on from Flash.
 
KnightWRX said:
Then that would be Vorbis. IE 8 currently supports nothing, Firefox, Chrome and Opera support Vorbis, Chrome and Safari support H.264. So about 10% market share for H.264 and a whooping near 45% for Vorbis. Until IE9 ships or Chrome overtakes Firefox, h.264 is really limited as far as browser supports goes.

Really, not a good argument to make in light of current supported formats.

The most probable outcome of the video format war is that the spec will remain as it is, format agnostic and like the img tag, browser support will in the end determine what is and isn't popular (just like IE managed to kill PNG even though it was the best image format).
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The codec war officially ends in Jan 2011 at CES when Sandy Bridge officially arrives and h.264/AVC encode/decode are supported on chip. Mozilla org should be careful as I and plenty of people I know have flipped to Chrome from Firefox.

Vorbis is DOA anyway if/when MPEGLA hits them with IP infringement.

You are of course aware of this, so you must be in denial WRT Vorbis.
 
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