Adobe Testing MacBook Air-Optimized Version of Flash Player

[S.B.G]

Time for a reality check: The fact that iOS does not support Flash only paved the path to oblivion for iOS.

I disagree. iOS isn't going to go into oblivion. Sure there are plenty of people out there like yourself that want Flash on their mobile device and that's fine. But there has to equally be as many who don't want Flash on their mobile device, such as me.

In my web browsing habits, Flash tends to be more advertisements than wanted content. So I am glad Flash isn't supported on iOS and yes it does have an effect on battery life when viewing Flash content a lot. If Flash is supported on iOS but you don't browse any or few Flash sites, your battery will be fine. But if you do visit a lot of Flash sites, you will notice the difference.

I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that the majority of iPhone users, meaning the type that wouldn't visit this forum probably don't even realize Flash isn't there.

More and more sites are making a mobile or iPhone friendly site to go along with their full desktop type sites, such as MR has done. These sites are optimized for the mobile environment and don't have Flash.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

If I was Apple I'd provide all the pepper extensions in NPAPI for hardware acceleration along with a full hardware acceleration for ATI and nVidia cards (the current one is based on the nVidia video acceleration API, ATI could always be supported by using the existing nvidia as a wrapper around the ATI one or the two could be exposed as two different API's) then step back and allow developers to do their thing.

The reason why Adobe makes so many waves is because Apple doesn't provide what they want; Apple should go out of their way, provide Adobe with what they want and let Adobe demonstrate that even when all of what they require is provided they still can't produce a decent Flash plugin. The only way to prove a point is by providing Adobe with all that they demand and then let them hang themselves by failing to step up to the mark.

 

[realeric]

The reason why Adobe makes so many waves is because Apple doesn't provide what they want.

So, why doesn't Adobe support Windows 64bit yet?

 

[TMay]

People on this forums are completely clueless

Flash has never been in better state than now and its future was never more certain...

It is THE only technology which allows developer to deploy his app / site / game / etc... across pretty much all imaginable devices, screen sizes, resolutions, browsers and OSs - and it's getting better almost on daily bases!

In any case, I care about Flash much more than I care about Apple...

As easy it was for me to switch to Android it will be equally easy to switch back to Windows from, what is clearly becoming toy company...

Frankly, if I was at Adobe seat, I wouldn't be trying so hard with Apple - they simply are not worth it...

Let me guess. This is a Dear John letter to Apple.

Or are you gong all BrokeBack Mountain on us ("I just can't give you up")?

 

[KnightWRX]

Shelley Powers is an Adobe shill.

*sigh*. Citation needed.

Seriously, are you just making stuff up or can you actually back your claims here ?

 

[Pilgrim1099]

As I predicted a year ago, Flash will be DEAD in no time...it's become more and more irrelevant with the passing of each day; thanks to SJ, of course.

I have homework for you. Go buy George Orwell's "1984". Or rent the film if you're the impatient ADHD type.

You're nothing but sheep. Whatever SJ says, you go "Baaa Baaa".

Proof?

THIS is how you SEE Steve Jobs as this most famous man steps on the platform and makes a speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJvVEt6F_Xw&feature=more_related

See the crowd that worships him? That's you.

 

[angelneo]

Considering HTML5 requires no specific developing environment, in fact you could code an entire HTML5 page in notepad or text edit, i find it hard to believe that flash is cheap to develop for, considering you have to pay $700 for the flash developing environment alone.

Seriously? Have you tried developing an entire game without any toolkit? How much time do you need?

Completely agree!

Discussing Adobe or Flash on MR is like discussing Obama on Fox News.

It's like trying to talk sense to a mob of angry villagers.

 

[theBB]

It is THE only technology which allows developer to deploy his app / site / game / etc... across pretty much all imaginable devices, screen sizes, resolutions, browsers and OSs

All OSs? No, it does not. Touch screen devices cannot handle objects where a mouse needs to hover over. No mouse, no way to hover, no go...

Screen sizes? No, it does not. Most objects become either too small to touch on a small screen or you cannot see all of the graphics at once. Either way, the site becomes annoying.

Of course, neither problem is due to Flash. It is due to the graphical way of presenting information rather textual. Graphics don't automatically reflow based on screen size. Even on desktop screens, it takes much longer to get to information on flash sites with graphical presentations and animations. On the other hand, it makes the designers and marketers feel better as it looks nicer in the right circumstances. Who needs usability or efficiency?

 

[AidenShaw]

So, why doesn't Adobe support Windows 64bit yet?

1. It fully supports the default 32-bit browser - so the implication that Flash doesn't run on Windows 7 x64 is simply false. (By the way, a lot of Apple software doesn't support x64 on Apple OSX.)
2. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ to download the beta of the fully 64-bit version for Windows, Linux, and a fringe operating system made by a consumer gadget company

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

Time for a reality check: The fact that iOS does not support Flash only paved the path to oblivion for iOS.

I bought my first Android a few months ago, precisely because I wanted a desktop browsing experience on my phone -- with Flash and all.

I now have it: I can browse all sorts of sites unavailable on my old iPhone, including sites done fully in Flash. The vast majority of Flash sites work so well that I don't even pay attention to what's in Flash and what's not.

My phone lasts through the day, so battery life is not an issue.

A growing number of my friends, most of whom are, or were, iPhone users, are contemplating the same switch (especially after comparing my phone to theirs), and some have already switched.

The reality outside these pages is that most people just want to see the web the way it looks on their desktop. And that includes Flash.

The reason Jobs banned Flash has nothing to do with performance, but with a "walled garden" business model, where Apple gets a cut of every penny spent. This includes apps and media, but perhaps most importantly, ads.

iAd may very well be an important part of the reason why Google jumped on Android. In the wake of the iPhone success, Jobs wanted to cut Google out of large portion of the smart phone market, and Google was not going to let it happen.

Jobs seems to be planning to extend the "walled garden" to OS X, since the next version of the OS will incorporate iOS elements, including, I bet, iAd.

The bottom line is, Flash is inconvenient for Jobs, so he wants to kill it. I am afraid this move will only marginalize iOS within the next year or two, until iOS becomes irrelevant.

Hopefully the same faith is not coming to OS X.

Awesome post!

However, this site was never about 'reality check' but about tiny little bubble which I wouldn't be surprised to see bursting in relatively short period of time...

On this site you will never see news on latest Flash efforts such as new 3D API's - nor would you ever hear anything what it will mean in real world...

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flash/molehill/


On this site you will never see official posts on latest phone / tablet efforts from Apple's competitors - simply because the TRUTH is not always desired while brainwashing propaganda and general BS always is! Here is short video on latest RIM efforts which compares soon to be released PlayBook with iPad - it is worth watching for your own good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s72rGDUn2uo


This site will never objectively question and / or argue what comes out of SJ's gob - regardless of how rubbish some of his statements are...

Flash doesn't work on handheld devices!? Ermmm all you have to do is ask your friend with one of the latest Android phones to prove him wrong...Flash works AWESOMELY on handheld devices right NOW and it will only get better - fact!

7" tablets are dead on arrival!?!? Almost every major manufacture out there is building tablets from 5"-7" in size and yes - at least in my opinion - that is the right size for the tablet since tablet device must be significantly smaller than my MBP and be super portable / mobile - otherwise what's the point...

http://tv.adobe.com/watch/flash-platform-in-action/the-green-hornet-game-goes-multiscreen/


How about TV's? Soon they will all be running Flash as well...

How about Apple reversing and changing their App Store policies all the time? Why noone ever questioned why Apple initially blocked Adobe compiler only to unblock it recently!?!? Better not to question anything because as soon as you start doing it excrement starts to come out...

etc... etc... etc...

Tiny walled bubble full of blue lego boxes or rest of the world with entire web and rich media across all screens and devices?

decisions... decisions...

 

[Burger Thing]

On this site you will never see official posts on latest phone / tablet efforts from Apple's competitors - simply because the TRUTH is not always desired while brainwashing propaganda and general BS always is! Here is short video on latest RIM efforts which compares soon to be released PlayBook with iPad - it is worth watching for your own good:

Tinfoil much? Iin all fairness, this is the MACRumors site. Not GadgetRumors, Android Rumors, Windows Rumors. Simple as that. If I want to read about the latest Android phones, I won't expect it here and certainly won't feel brainwashed about it if I can't find it in these pages

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

Tinfoil much? Iin all fairness, this is the MACRumors site. Not GadgetRumors, Android Rumors, Windows Rumors. Simple as that. If I want to read about the latest Android phones, I won't expect it here and certainly won't feel brainwashed about it if I can't find it in these pages

Perhaps you didn't understand what I tried to say...

MR will be first to publish anything NEGATIVE in regards to Flash but will simply ignore other facts and figures leaving their readers misinformed... If they fancy talking about Flash, and it is clear they do, they should do it in objective way - for the benefit of their readers...

MR will be the first site to publish whatever comes out of SJ's mouth - that is great, but why it never questions his words (some examples in my previous post)

etc...

If majority of readers here are relying on MR for the news it is obvious why such level of misinformation and lack of knowledge is present on this forums...

It is like watching Fox News and Fox News only - but in tech world

In any case, there are 3 nice little links in my previous post for anyone who wants to gain more information than what MR is providing you with...

For the bubble people - stay where you are and wait for it to burst

Best of luck...

 

[fizzwinkus]

This is recent argument, and only address CPU time during video playback. That is only the tip of the iceberg for Flash's issues under OS X. Even a PAUSED video causes issues under OSX.

forget addressing flash performance while paused during video playback.
flash at idle - after CLOSING THE WINDOW with flash content playing - can use up to 30% cpu.

don't try and tell me html5 uses 30% of my cpu when doing nothing.

 

[Burger Thing]

Perhaps you didn't understand what I tried to say...

MR will be first to publish anything NEGATIVE in regards to Flash but will simply ignore other facts and figures leaving their readers misinformed... If they fancy talking about Flash, and it is clear they do, they should do it in objective way - for the benefit of their readers...

MR will be the first site to publish whatever comes out of SJ's mouth - that is great, but why it never questions his words (some examples in my previous post)

etc...

If majority of readers here are relying on MR for the news it is obvious why such level of misinformation and lack of knowledge is present on this forums...

It is like watching Fox News and Fox News only - but in tech world

In any case, there are 3 nice little links in my previous post for anyone who wants to gain more information than what MR is providing you with...

For the bubble people - stay where you are and wait for it to burst

Best of luck...

I don't see it as drastic as you, to be honest. Or, for example, do you perceive today's story about Flash in a negative way? I don't and I think most users would agree. However, on a public forum you will always have a few posters on the "extreme" side.

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

I don't see it as drastic as you, to be honest. Or, for example, do you perceive today's story about Flash in a negative way? I don't and I think most users would agree. However, on a public forum you will always have a few posters on the "extreme" side.

Nope, I don't... I voted positive

And why do you think there is "extreme" side?

Perhaps because of super selective news posting in the past? Yeah...

Point of my rant can really be summed in one single word - objectivity!

Objectivity for the sake of us - Apple community and MR readers...

Just read majority of posts in this or any other Flash related thread - they are not so much about ignorance, or being extreme but about utter 'cluelessness' as nus-product of brainwashing propaganda and lies...

 

[asdf542]

Did anyone even watch the actual interview? He never said they had a beta of Flash specifically for the MacBook Air. He pulled a strawman by saying that they don't have access to hardware acceleration but that they have a beta that does currently support which is a load of crap. The flash 10.1 used by anandtech to demonstrate this had hardware acceleration via the 320M on the MacBook Air.

This comment on YouTube sums this up quite nicely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsRfUNaGlOA

"Shantanu Narayen, the king of beating around the bush!"

The dude is a joke. I remember another interview with him in the past where someone asked him about the frequency of Flash crashes and what did he do? He pulled a strawman by saying that they don't have access to hardware acceleration which has jack **** to do with crashing.

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

Did anyone even watch the actual interview? He never said they had a beta of Flash specifically for the MacBook Air. He pulled a strawman by saying that they don't have access to hardware acceleration but that they have a beta that does currently support which is a load of crap. The flash 10.1 used by anandtech to demonstrate this had hardware acceleration via the 320M on the MacBook Air.

This comment on YouTube sums this up quite nicely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsRfUNaGlOA

"Shantanu Narayen, the king of beating around the bush!"

The dude is a joke. I remember another interview with him in the past where someone asked him about the frequency of Flash crashes and what did he do? He pulled a strawman by saying that they don't have access to hardware acceleration which has jack **** to do with crashing.

Thanks for the link!

You see, MR didn't bother to provide us with it...

He said it all in the first 5 minutes of the interview - and he said it well and as it is

 

[asdf542]

Thanks for the link!

You see, MR didn't bother to provide us with it...

He said it all in the first 5 minutes of the interview - and he said it well and as it is

Lol, did you even read my post? All he said in the first five minutes was him complaining about Apple's closed system not allowing Adobe's closed and proprietary plugin. He's a hypocrite.

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

Lol, did you even read my post? All he said in the first five minutes was him complaining about Apple's closed system not allowing Adobe's closed and proprietary plugin. He's a hypocrite.

I read your post and I disagree with it...

Steve, with his recent statements, is far bigger joke than Adobe guy - fact!

 

[asdf542]

I read your post and I disagree with it...

Steve, with his recent statements, is far bigger joke than Adobe guy - fact!

Funniest thing I've read all week. Thanks for the laugh. Nothing I said was of opinion. I've already provided my reasons of why Shantanu Narayen is a joke. Now tell me your reasons as to why Steve Jobs is a joke and what he has stated that isn't true in relation to Flash.

 

[theBB]

7" tablets are dead on arrival!?!? Almost every major manufacture out there is building tablets from 5"-7" in size and yes - at least in my opinion - that is the right size for the tablet since tablet device must be significantly smaller than my MBP and be super portable / mobile - otherwise what's the point...

They are selling 7'' tablets, because they probably cannot sell a 10 incher at the same price as an iPad. Even if you are among the few who would rather buy something that does not fit in your pocket, but still require quite a compromise in browsing experience, think about this: If Apple were to sell a 7'' iPad, do you think it would sell it at the same price as the current iPad or at a much lower price?

Oh, the point of something almost as large as a laptop: well, it is lighter, has longer battery life even though it has respectable power, but first of all it is the instant-on touch based OS. Not every product can be summed up in a list of features and numbers, but don't feel bad, many very highly paid executives don't get that either.

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

OMG...

I have just seen end of that interview and realised that yet another Flash news post on MR is complete and utter misinformation...

Adobe guy NEVER said that they have specific MB Air player in beta (as title of this crap news suggests) - what he said is that they have GENERAL Mac Flash player in beta which supports hardware acceleration on certain Mac computers...

He also said obvious thing - without working with Adobe and 'opening' your hardware it is almost impossible to provide acceleration...

Jezuz - so typical MR which posts just any random nonsense without even checking what it is all about...

In short:

This news HAS NOTHING to do with any 'specific MB Air Flash player' - Adobe guy simply pointed out that there is general Mac OS X flash player in beta which supports hardware acceleration on certain Mac hardware...

In other words, this is OLD NEWS since this beta is available for at least couple of months now...

UNBELIEVABLE



I can imagine in few weeks and months people will flock to forums and start asking whatever happened to their 'promised MB Air flash player'!!!


MR please do your JOB and inform people properly instead of spreading nonsense and general bs about...

 

[asdf542]

Adobe guy simply pointed out that there is general Mac OS X flash player in beta which supports hardware acceleration on certain Mac hardware...

In other words, this is OLD NEWS since this beta is available for at least couple of months now...

Hardware accelerated Flash Player has shipped in the final version of the Mac version of Flash Player since August 11, 2010. My point of him lying still stands true. He tried to make it seem as though the results did NOT use a hardware accelerated version of Flash when in reality they did.

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

Hardware accelerated Flash Player has shipped in the final version of the Mac version of Flash Player since August 11, 2010. My point of him lying still stands true. He tried to make it seem as though the results did NOT use a hardware accelerated version of Flash when in reality they did.

He was simply referring to this:

http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html

NOT SPECIFIC MB AIR OPTIMISED PLAYER!!!

Hence me saying that MR should really start doing their JOB instead of spreading constant misinformation and feeding lies to their readers...

 

[asdf542]

He was simply referring to this:

http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html

No he wasn't. Flash Player Square is just a 64-bit version of Flash. It has nothing to do with hardware acceleration.