I wonder what the 100 apps that already use it are?
Very well said. Apple should have just let the market decide. As long as the end code meets Apple's requirements, how it is made should not be their concern. If the compiler makes crappy apps, then let the market push them into obscurity which it will inevitably do.In one quick move Apple cuts off its nose to spite its face.
I have no love for Flash, but Apple could have simply made no effort to support it (as they are doing by banning it from iDevices) instead of actively attacking a cross-compiling dev tool.
If devs want to compile apps with some other tool, who cares? If the native app runs fine, what does it matter? If the native app is sloppy, the marketplace will reject it.
Apple can continue to enhance the platform, release new APIs, etc. and it's up to the devs to keep up. If Flash compilers don't keep up, they'll get left behind. The apps would have to maintain parity with C language apps or customers will reject them for better wares. This is not a problem for Apple, they're just being petty.
Die Flash, die!
(I know it will not happen overnight, but anything to rid us of the wretched pestilence known as Flash is a step toward a better universe.)
In one quick move Apple cuts off its nose to spite its face.
I have no love for Flash, but Apple could have simply made no effort to support it (as they are doing by banning it from iDevices) instead of actively attacking a cross-compiling dev tool.
If devs want to compile apps with some other tool, who cares? If the native app runs fine, what does it matter? If the native app is sloppy, the marketplace will reject it.
Apple can continue to enhance the platform, release new APIs, etc. and it's up to the devs to keep up. If Flash compilers don't keep up, they'll get left behind. The apps would have to maintain parity with C language apps or customers will reject them for better wares. This is not a problem for Apple, they're just being petty.
Flash is not here now but is supposedly coming so I agree on the first point but how can we not "redesign the Internet for mobile devices" when the majority of sites currently use flash?Read his comment. NO smartphone has a full featured desktop equivalent of Flash. Flash is the watered down version of what we have now. HTML5 is fully supported.
And he never said we need to redesign the Internet for mobile devices. He said mobile devices are the growth in the Internet industry. Flash fails there.
I wonder what the 100 apps that already use it are?
What Apple has done is akin to Adobe restricting PDF viewing permissions to Adobe Reader/Acrobat programs only, and blocking future PDF document versions from opening in "Preview" or any other non-Adobe app.
Do you realize how many Macs are sold into college and high school campuses every year because of the Creative Suite alone?
Flash Packager didn't convert to Objective C, it created a native ARM .ipa directly.
If Flash Packager generated an Objective C XCode project that you used XCode to compile (like Unity) than it would be okay.
Can this start the list? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashcs5/appsfor_iphone/^^ Most important question in this thread.
If this list was disclosed, it would really clarify the validity of Apple's decision as well as several of our personal opinions.
If deep and rich apps, for example, like N.O.V.A were created using Flash Pro (doubtful), I would think that Flash Pro is a pretty competent application.
If something like Mafia Wars and the seemingly endless clones by Zynga of all-interface/no-gameplay apps were created with Flash Pro, then no big loss.
Apple is not thinking about us users. They are being selfish and tyrant. Not cool...![]()
Apple is not thinking about us users. They are being selfish and tyrant. Not cool...![]()
Flash is not here now but is supposedly coming so I agree on the first point but how can we not "redesign the Internet for mobile devices" when the majority of sites currently use flash?
By changing to HTML5, wouldn't they in fact be "redesign(ing) the Internet for mobile devices"?
Please don't take my questioning things as a negative towards HTML5, I absolutely LOVE open standards and do hope that HTML5 succeeds but I want it with no detrimental effects to what we have now.
Apple is most certainly thinking of their users. Users vote with their dollars, and users have voted for Apple devices that DO NOT support Flash. Content providers want users to get their content. Now that Apple users have chosen no flash, content providers have to decide to alienate Apple customers or move away from Flash. I would bet a lot of money the latter happens. In the end, the users cares about the content, not how it is provided.
I've used flash, Photoshop, and other Adobe product, I do use Mac, iPhone and it seems like the Apple vs. Adobe quarrel is getting in the way of producing good quality product. Not sure if Jobs woke up one day and in a whim decided to hate Adobe, but seem to me fewer and fewer support will be available between the two. That sux.
While this may be the best decision from a business perspective, does not mean its the best from a users perspective.