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I wonder if I will be able to reload it if I wipe my Nexus S for whatever reason.

Back it up, keep it somewhere safe. They can try to limit your access, but not really succeed unless they come and take it from you. Hell, if you are rooted you can push it to the /system/app/ directory and make it permanently part of the OS.
 
That's funny considering it wasn't too long ago Android's "Full Web Experience" campaign was using iPhone's lack of Flash as a selling point. Sayonara Flash!
That was never accurate, anyway. The Flash stuff my son likes doesn't work on his ICS tablet. Neither does the company's app work well. Maybe someday they'll just rewrite their games in a usable system.
 
Not a spot of flash on that page, all HTML5.

Its an example of just how good HTML5/JS/CSS3 is, some of the tech demos done at Google IO yesterday prove that flash simply is not needed anymore.

Flash is needed, as HTML 5 cant even come close to what flash can do. Check out some of the sites included to see what I mean. I would agree with everyone that many sites should be transitioning to HTML 5 though, such as simple video players, but there still is a niche for flash, and thus support should still be available.

http://waterlife.nfb.ca/
http://www.wechoosethemoon.org/#
http://www.syfy.com/tinman/oz/
 
Well, enjoy your expensive, castrated gadgets with their restricted, censored and controlled user experience. I prefer a rough open platform over your shiny walled garden any day.

I hate my castrated gadget. Sure I have thousands more quality apps to choose from but I can't have 200 different weather widgets. :(
 
Too bad Steve Jobs didn't not live long enough to get confirmation from Adobe that he was right about Flash - he got so much heat for it and now Adobe basically admits that he was right.

Steve didn't need confirmation from Adobe. He knew it was a piece of crap and was devistating to battery life.
 
What an arrogant comment.

Hate is bred from experience. I hate Flash because whenever my macbook becomes slow, unresponsive with the fan in "turbo" mode I usually find that my wife or kids have left some website up that is reliant on Flash. Kill the website and the Macbook carms down.

Flash is a resource hog. If it worked nicely in the system I would not mind it. But it does not and I would love to remove it completely from my systems. However, it seems that my other family members always seem to need websites that rely on it so I am stuck with it.

I long for the day when Flash is gone for good.

I guess you are right when you say "Hate is bred from experience"

And is the reason I have nothing bad to say about Flash, it has never caused me any issues at all, always run fine on all the PC's I've bought/made over the years.
I all honesty, it was not until I joined this Mac Forum in recent years did I even realise there was a hatred towards a piece of software simple due to some, probably personal issues between Apple/Steve Jobs and people at Adobe.

Rather than work together on the project/issue to make things run well for users it became a pathetic war which only hurt users.

As I say, I can't dislike Flash as I remember how Wonderful it was reported to be back in the early days of the internet, where is made possible platform independent rich content that had never been seen before, AND it has always ran, and continues to perform superbly of my current machine also.

Sorry but actually hating a piece of software does seem rather pathetic.

And the crazy situation is, and it would be a fact, is that if Flash ran superbly on Apple machines and poorly on Windows machines, then Everyone here would be praising it and saying how pathetic Windows users are for hating it.

Do even current iMacs, for example struggle to play back flash well?
Let's say 1080p YouTube content played back full screen?
 
Wow, the Flash haters are out this morning. I guess it's cool to hate Flash, as in "I hate Flash. I must be a little like Steve Jobs!"
What about:
"I just tried to watch something today. It was flash and the plugin crashed in Firefox. So I switched to Chrome and it just didn't work. So I switched to Windows and that plugin crashed. I hate Flash."

Would that be ok with you? I had the first such scenario with Flash in 1997. Hasn't really improved since then.
 
Flash is needed, as HTML 5 cant even come close to what flash can do.

Flash may be able to do more than HTML 5, but that doesn't mean it must be used on a smart phone. If you need those extra features, use Flash on a PC that doesn't depend on a small battery to work. Don't include it on my smart phone where I need all the spare juice I can get.
 
Following on from what I last posted:

Current Mac's playing back 1080p video on YouTube.

I just played back this on my PC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_3uKtfELfE

I changed the quality to 1080p and selected full screen.

I'm assuming it's flash as I right click and it says something about flash player at the bottom of the menu.

Watching my CPU Task Manager whilst this full screen 1080p trailer plays, my CPU usage is bumping along at between 1% and 2% loading all the time

How can I hate that, That's amazing!
 
Flash may be able to do more than HTML 5, but that doesn't mean it must be used on a smart phone. If you need those extra features, use Flash on a PC that doesn't depend on a small battery to work. Don't include it on my smart phone where I need all the spare juice I can get.
I have Flash installed on my Android, and I didn't notice a decrease in battery life. Additionally, Flash was an optional install for everyone, so nobody would be forcing you to have Flash on your phone. That is how it should have stayed. According to the Google Play store though, Flash has been downloaded for Android on over 100,000,000 million devices, so I don't think the majority of users share your concerns.
 
well I was stuck in South Africa for 10 hrs on my way to Uganda for work and netflix said I was outside their service area - thank god my Galaxy Tab 7 did flash and could see TV shows on a few sites.

Mobile browsing is not big enough to change the internet - with so many people still going online with desktops/laptops - Flash will be around for some time.
 
I'm happy flash is dead, but Android still has advantages over iOS:
1) More choice in phones (which can lead to removable batteries, better cameras, various screen sizes, etc...)
2) A less locked down app store. There can be browsers other than safari wrappers on the Google Play store.
3) Being able to set default clients (email, browser, etc...)
4) Google Maps. (I hope apple can pull off their own mapping solution, but google maps look better right now).

1) More choice is good, obviously, but the downside is it lets manufacturers flood the market with cheap, low-end, underpowered devices that give Android market share numbers that look good on paper but are actually at the expense of quality and customer satisfaction. So for every Galaxy SIII or Droid Razr sold, there's a bunch of Kyocera POS's just waiting to disappoint first-time smartphone buyers somewhere.If Google had more control over the hardware, they could better manage quality control, but all they really care about is getting their OS on as many devices as possible so they can report bigger market share numbers.

2) I used to think this was an inarguable point; I always hated Apple's Draconian walled-garden app store platform. And for the longest time, it deeserved to be hated. But IMHO, I think that Apple has proven that its curation system actually works. Last year they relaxed their policies significantly and now, as long as your app does not duplicate or improve upon existing Apple functionality, works as advertised, lives up to the standard of quality Apple sets out in its SDK, and isn't a Spambot, your app is as good as in. The only exceptions to that rule are profanity and pornopgraphy, neither of which I think should be exceptions, but it's Apple's store and they can choose what they're willing to sell in it. And it's a pretty broad base these days. Being able to sideload content from any source sounds like a good idea, but the fact is not a lot of people know how to vet software properly before installing, and it's easy to install malicious software and not even know it. And your phone is quite possibly the most personal device you own. I like the idea of knowing there's an oversight committee making sure what I'm putting on my device is safe. IMHO, when it comes to phones, curation works.

3) I can't speak to this one. I live in an apple universe, and my iPhone, iPad, iMac, Macbook Pro and work iMac all just talk to each other seamlessly. On an iPhone, I would NOT want to change my default browser, email client or calendar, because everything handshakes so well with everything else. That said, the world is full of people who hate Safari Mobile, and Mail App is somewhat limited (Y U NO HAVE CALENDAR??), so I can see why people migh want other options. I personally don't, but again, that's just me.

4) This is completely subjective, and I personally will wait until iMaps is released. That said, however, I always preferred TomTom to Gmaps for real-world navigation; I have TomTom on my iPhone and my wife has Google Navigation on her Android, and on a totally subjective level, I prefer TomTom. So I'm excited to see how TomTom translates to a mapping app. Also, neither the TomTom GPS device nor the iPhone App require a Data connection and Google Maps does, so hopefully, that will carry over as well. It would be nice to not have to pay roaming fees just to find out where the hell I am next time I'm driving through Tuscany.

"I'll tell you where you are for $37."

No thanks I'll just guess.

Anyway that's my 2¢.
 
Why do I have the fealing that people are still going to differentiate iOS and Android with the lack of flash on iOS.

"Well iPhone has no flash"
"neither does android"
"yea huh, you don't know what you're talking about"

Lol, people.
 
I have Flash installed on my Android, and I didn't notice a decrease in battery life. Additionally, Flash was an optional install for everyone, so nobody would be forcing you to have Flash on your phone. That is how it should have stayed. According to the Google Play store though, Flash has been downloaded for Android on over 100,000,000 million devices, so I don't think the majority of users share your concerns.

exactly - people bring out the "battery" card, but playing videogames also kills your batteries.

It is a plug in - if you thought it was a waste of batteries do not install it - just like I think videogames are a waste of time so I do not install them on my phone.

this was nothing about batteries or security - this was about content control on iOS.
 
This is truly nice and mature smartphone users should understand why. When we look at SGSIII and think about why does it need a quad core CPU, I think everyone would believe how all those Android widgets and Flash put hardware requirement to the highest.

If they don't give up on Flash, is it really good for anyone to see a 6-core phone in the future just because a quad core phone is too weak to support Flash? It is time for Android programmers and Android device manufacturers to slow down and think again.
 
where are all the people that said "no Flash on iOS ?! Apple is doomed !" ?

They are keeping company to the people that said "no Java on iPhone ?! Apple is doomed !"

Steve knew better than anyone. I hope desktop version of Flash will be next. Bad s/w is bad.
 
Am I the only one who thought this?

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Wow, now maybe there will be a slight delay in the ramp up to advertising 2.0 that we will be facing in the next few years.

On a side note, does anyone know how this may or may not affect AdBlock Plus?
 
Yeah, it has changed so much that still nobody wants to use it because it's still not a consolidated, working standard. And when Apple talks about HTML5, they only mean THEIR implementation of HTML5 with THEIR proprietary video codec in it.

The current web browsers still interpret HTML5 code differently and websites still look and behave differently in each browser. That was NEVER a problem with Flash, and it's still a problem with HTML5.

But yeah, HTML5 is ah-so awesome, magical, beautiful because somebody once needed some ammunition to kill a dangerous competing technology that made cross-platform development a no-brainer.

Of all the times in the past I've had browsers crash or not function, I'd say 80 to 90% have been flash crashes. It can also really tax the hardware without acceleration. It's also complex for mobile environments because the interaction paradigm is different on desktop vs. mobile environments.

The only reason flash was consistent across platforms is because it runs in its own little proprietary shell and largely doesn't need interpretation like HTML does.

I'm not saying flash doesn't still have a place in desktop environments, but I do think it is antithetical to mobile browser environments. The concept of what flash does has been ported to apps that can alter the interaction paradigm, and that's precisely what AIR does and still allows cross-platform development.
 
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