Adobe To Preview Universal Apps Next Week?

[gugy]

That's great news.
Adobe seems to be on top of it. A lot of people complain about Adobe, but think they are doing a pretty good job updating their apps in a reasonable time frame. Remember, They basically have no competitors for Photoshop, After Effects, Illustrator, Flash, etc. So, it's great that they don't drop the ball because they are on the top.
Hopefully the new upgrade will bring cool new features as well as being universal.

This all makes more enticing to see the next revision of Mac Pro. Hopefully by then Adobe apps will be universal making the professionals that depend on Adobe blow away by the performance.

 

[MacsRgr8]

The PPC >> x86 transition is the complete opposite of the OS 9 >> Mac OS X transition, when it comes to the major apps running natively on the new platform.

OS 9 >> Mac OS X:
early:
- M$ Offce v X
- Adobe's software (okay, Photoshop was a little later)
late:
- Quark XPress


PPC >> Intel
early:
- Quark XPress
late:
- M$ Offce
- Adobe's software

 

[kcmac]

We'll probably see a Demo, with the Windows version coming out first, and the Mac version sometime early next year.

That would be disastrous for Adobe. Not only would the pros beat up on them, I would bet this would put SJobs over the brink.

I've always felt they have held back from implementing the cool OS X features into their apps because Vista has been, well, so far in the Vista. Now that everything is converging, they will come out with a version for both the Mac and Windows concurrently. The sooner the better.

 

[Peace]

And April 2007 would be exactly 24 months, which is "Second Quarter '07", "first half of 2007", and "Spring of '07" just like the CEO statement.

So why would they say 18 to 24 months when it's been "EXACTLY 18-19 months" for all past releases? Because saying 18-19 months would be wrong in this case and the 18-24 month gap fits all releases more accurately.

EDIT: I have no idea when they will release anything. I'm just saying that you can't hang your hat on anything because of what's happened in the past.

Adobe says 18-24 months. 18 months is this November and 24 months is April. That's about the only thing you can say with any reasonable certainty.

ummmm

18 months from April 2005 makes it October 2006 not November


And who's to say Adobe isn't finishing up the UB early?? Is that so set in stone?

Apple did it I'm sure Adobe can too.

 

[Blue Velvet]

And who's to say Adobe isn't finishing up the UB early?? Is that so set in stone?

As far as Creative Suite goes, I would say more or less... to finish and comprehensively test a set of pro apps 7 or 8 months ahead of publicly-announced schedule is so much wishful thinking.

There's nothing generally on the grapevine to suggest that this is going to remotely happen.

 

[MacsRgr8]

Is this really a big deal?

They presumably will show the first beta of CS 3 running on Windows (Vista) and Mac OS X Universal Binary. Surely they have done "a preview" before.

It only wil be a big deal if they name the release date (and that date being before the release of Leopard )

Could be that this preview will be leaked on the 'net though....

 

[50548]

Yah about time. Acrobat Reader is slow as hell.

Adobe who? Preview and Safari pretty much cover everything for reading PDF, thanks very much...

 

[odo]

Who's talking about CS3 ?
IBC it's about broadcast so it will more likely be a UB version of After-effects I think.

 

[Westside guy]

Adobe who? Preview and Safari pretty much cover everything for reading PDF, thanks very much...

Okay, it's already been said by others but some of you are just not getting it.

Reader is not the issue. Adobe gives that away for free. Those of us that actually have to create PDFs that are more than just glorified photocopies have to use the full version of Acrobat - there just isn't a viable alternative.

A release date next Spring is fine with me. Much as I'd like to get a new Intel Mac, there's no way I can afford it right now. But I also haven't been buying any new non-universal software for about a year.

As far as a public beta goes - it'd be cool, but Adobe has no real motivation to do it. Lightroom was in danger of losing out on a brand new market. There's nothing out there to supplant the Creative Suite.

 

[~Shard~]

And who's to say Adobe isn't finishing up the UB early?? Is that so set in stone?

For all intents and purposes, yes. Adobe as many things on their plate and they are not going to put a lot of effort into making CS2 UB when they have a significant number of resources hard at work on CS3 (which will be UB anyway). Other Adobe apps (Acrobat, etc.) sure, perhaps, but not CS2. The CEO made this strategic direction clear, and I see no reason for him to change it.

 

[50548]

Okay, it's already been said by others but some of you are just not getting it.

Reader is not the issue. Adobe gives that away for free. Those of us that actually have to create PDFs that are more than just glorified photocopies have to use the full version of Acrobat - there just isn't a viable alternative.

A release date next Spring is fine with me. Much as I'd like to get a new Intel Mac, there's no way I can afford it right now. But I also haven't been buying any new non-universal software for about a year.

As far as a public beta goes - it'd be cool, but Adobe has no real motivation to do it. Lightroom was in danger of losing out on a brand new market. There's nothing out there to supplant the Creative Suite.

Well, I was referring to the previous post that mentioned READER...nothing else.

 

[Bern]

We'll probably get an insignificant announcement from Adobe they are on track for a release date sometime in 2007 with a lame excuse that the transfer to Intel is an arduous one. Had Adobe not sold out to the Windows community with CS and coded their Mac versions with all the arbitrary Windows code perhaps they wouldn't be in the mess they got themselves into and a release date may have been sooner.

It's simply not good enough that a company such as Adobe that now holds a virtual monopoly on this type of professional software is keeping us waiting. Adobe asked Steve Jobs "... what took you so long.." when Apple announced the transfer to Intel and now they are the ones dragging the chain because of their inaptness.

I use to appreciate the efforts Adobe made to release great professional applications, but now find myself annoyed and inconvenienced because Adobe cannot deliver the goods to people who have adopted the very technology Adobe seemed to have expected us to use.

It's not good enough and I will not be citing their successes when they finally do release CS3 at, no doubt, huge cost to us because they have swallowed up their competition and can charge what they like and take as long as they wish to do something they should have been better prepared for.

 

[~Shard~]

Adobe asked Steve Jobs "... what took you so long.." when Apple announced the transfer to Intel and now they are the ones dragging the chain because of their inaptness.

Excellent point. I remember back at that Keynote when the Adobe CEO came out on stage with Jobs and he said they were fully committed to Apple's Intel transition, etc. Based on this I would have thought Adobe would have been one of the first companies to release UB versions of their apps, and lead the charge like the flagship company they should be. However, we now are witness to more proof of what kind of company Adobe is, as (in)actions speak louder than words.

 

[Sm0kejaguar]

Hmmm, Think Different?

Maybe i'm worng, but it seems to me that Adobe isn't "on top" of anything (unless its screwing their customers). This whole universal vs. non universal Adobe buisness has had me very angry and just laughing at Adobe's continuing decline in sane buisness policies. Clearley this is all just a ploy for money, heres my arguement:

Hopefully i'm not the only one that finds somthing wrong in this equasion:
- World of Warcraft
Cost: $50.00
Universal?: Patch makeing it Universal released the DAY AFTER the intel macs were introduced.

- Adobe CS2 (or any component)
Cost: $499-$2500
Universal?: No, no patch will be avalible. Heck, even though it should be a free patch, thre isnt even a version you can BUY thats universal, nooo, you will have to buy CS3 when it comes out in a year. pff, i say.

Now, it seems to me that customer support should INCREASE with cost of software.... i mean, i think we will all agree that Blizzard is a spectacular company (especially for Mac Support) But honestley, WTF Adobe? And WOW isnt the only applicateing this can be done with. Now dont tell me "theres alot of code for Photoshop, its too hard." hahahahahhaha, no. Blizzard has probably 1/4th the staff of Adobe and not only provides instant support for its intel clients on a mac, also supports PC's, releases new content every month, AND is working on a compleate expansion... sure its a game vs a productivity app, but come on. This is sad, and this is why i dont like Adobe. Anyone that pays that much for their products deserves to be able to run them right, if Adobe wanted to, they could have a Universal patch out next week, but then would you spend another 2k on CS3? No, probably not.

GRRRRRRR!

And the list goes on, I work at a university bookstore and Adobe has stopped sending us products with no explination... whats my take? Well after looking at their site i see they are promoting their own academic site... and i doooooon't think that THEY will sell the whole CS2 for $219.00 like their old liscencing program would allow... heck, i bet they could get TWICE as much. And on that note, at least in our store, when Adobe took over Macromedia, prices practically doubled, and for THE SAME software, we just went and printed up new signs with more $$ on them .. lol, what jack-arses... bad bad bad bad bad buisness. That much is certain. But hey, photoshop is cool, so we'll all put up with it... right? =) just my rant.

<3 SmokeJaguar

 

[sparky672]

ummmm

18 months from April 2005 makes it October 2006 not November

Yes- I miscounted by one. Geez, big deal.

Does that really change the point I was trying to make??

And who's to say Adobe isn't finishing up the UB early?? Is that so set in stone?

Maybe they are... I have NO IDEA when it's coming out.

But, like others have said, thinking it's 6 months ahead of schedule is very wishful thinking. Especially when the Adobe web site could have easily just said "18 months" but instead made it a point to say "18 to 24" contrary to all past releases which have been in 18.

By saying "18-24 months" they cover all releases including this one. 18 for the past ones and closer to 24 for this one.

That is MY opinion.

 

[chuckles:)]

Have you used Office for Mac?

sill better than office for windows...

 

[rams]

...
GRRRRRRR!
...
<3 SmokeJaguar

stopstopstop

adobe is doing a complete rewrite of the cs suite - that takes time. if i remember right, they were still using code warrior and photoshop on os x was still more or less a os x port of the old code.
cs3 will be all new. - but maybe it's just PR.

as someone wrote before in this thread: time will tell

sill better than office for windows...

erm. no. office for mac is crashing very often, while the 2003 version of office for pc doesn't have this behavior.
if you're pointing at the UI, yes, i love it too.

 

[aegisdesign]

adobe is doing a complete rewrite of the cs suite - that takes time. if i remember right, they were still using code warrior and photoshop on os x was still more or less a os x port of the old code.
cs3 will be all new. - but maybe it's just PR.

I hope they are doing a rewrite.

Adobe have a lot to contend with now.

Even without the Intel transition, because of their cross platform compatibility they're being hindered by what they can do because Windows is so crap. If Adobe were just developing a Mac product, they've all the realtime Core Graphics effects to use and all of Cocoa, but because Windows XP has nothing like it, we're stuck with slow CPU locked filters and effects and a UI that looks like a half breed between Windows and MacOS9.

Windows Vista brings Core Graphics like features. I wonder if Adobe will make CS3 for Windows a Vista only application?

I also wonder if they aren't waiting for both of the two OS's to get updates.

Outside of CS, they've the whole of the Macromedia suite to convert over to Adobe applications. Macromedia use a similar cross platform approach but with their own UI libraries and I really wish they'd junk the javascript driven UI in Dreamweaver. Really, it's annoying now.

 

[supermacdesign]

Adobe Demo Because of Quark

Adobe is far from ready but I am sure they had a demo ready beacuse they new Quark 7 was going to be released and it was. So its demo time to distrack us until Universal Adobe apps are out.

 

[sparky672]

Windows Vista brings Core Graphics like features. I wonder if Adobe will make CS3 for Windows a Vista only application?

I seriously doubt that.

Although less than 5% of all computer users are Mac users, a far greater percentage of Photoshop users are Mac users. Perhaps 40-50%, I've heard.

EDIT: I misread as "Windows-Vista-only" rather than "Vista-only-on-the-Windows-side".

 

[gugy]

stopstopstop

adobe is doing a complete rewrite of the cs suite - that takes time. if i remember right, they were still using code warrior and photoshop on os x was still more or less a os x port of the old code.
cs3 will be all new. - but maybe it's just PR.

as someone wrote before in this thread: time will tell
.

True, some people just think the Adobe apps will be universal overnight. It take massive work as well as resources and money to change to universal.
Is not in Adobe's interest to delay their apps. They rather have people upgrading and buying universal apps than waiting. So my guess we will see them sooner than later.
I think the whole Intel transition scenario caught them by surprise. They had upgraded CS2 and After Effects few months before and now they have to catch up.
I just don't understand why people are so pissed. Yes, I would like to have it now, but I think is worth to wait and have upgrade apps with cool new features and fully develop than a lame patch that might be buggy and unreliable.
Patience people!

 

[bousozoku]

I seriously doubt that.

Although less than 5% of all computer users are Mac users, a far greater percentage of Photoshop users are Mac users. Perhaps 40-50%, I've heard.

What's that got to do with the various versions of Windows? He did say CS3 for Windows.

I think that Adobe will probably restrict it to XP and Vista but, from what I've heard, Microsoft has invited their development staff to discuss enhancements to their products that tie in, err, make great use of Vista.

 

[iJawn108]

What! not untill 2007?

i might just wait on buying a mac now *grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr sob sob*

 

[digitalbiker]

Excellent point. I remember back at that Keynote when the Adobe CEO came out on stage with Jobs and he said they were fully committed to Apple's Intel transition, etc. Based on this I would have thought Adobe would have been one of the first companies to release UB versions of their apps, and lead the charge like the flagship company they should be. However, we now are witness to more proof of what kind of company Adobe is, as (in)actions speak louder than words.

Come-on I think you are being a little hard on Adobe. Adobe has always been great about supporting the Apple & the mac. Apple & Adobe's success have been directly linked both in text processing and image processing.

Adobe essentially had no market motivation to produce UB versions of CS2. CS2 had already been out for a year when Apple announced the switch to intel. Most all mac users already owned CS2 at that point. Sales of recent professional system intel macs are so recent and the market share is so minor, that there is no way Adobe could recoup the cost and time for UB conversion of CS2.

Adobe's CEO came out almost immediately and announced that Adobe just couldn't devote the time and resources to working on a UB version of CS2 but that Adobe would provide a UB version of CS3. He didn't have to say anything, he could have left the mac world hanging not knowing what would happen. But he didn't, he came right out and told everyone what Adobe was going to do.

A UB conversion of the CS suite of applictions is not a minor task even though people on this site love to make it out like it would have been essentially a 2 day effort. Adobe's CS2 product most likely had a lot of non-standard and non-Xcode code in order to speed it up a little. Not only was this a big task but then you have to run all of the debugging cycles etc. etc.

If it had been an easy task, don't you think Adobe would have done the conversion and started marketing it right away. It would have been a small seller but then Adobe could immediately have sold a second product, CS3 when it came out in a few months later. It is obvious that it is not an easy task.

 

[gugy]

Ditto digitalbiker!