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Adobe Universal Support FAQ

Wait, but wont Adobe's progs work with the intel macs anyways. theyll have to go through the translation of Rosetta. But it's better than nothing...

but really, Adobe isnt going to add intel-mac support until it's next CS update....

I wonder if this means Macromedia will do the same(yes, I do know theyve merged)...
 
l008com said:
Lets not forget that it took adobe forever to get OS X compatible apps out too.
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I believe it took Adobe around seven months from the time Apple released 10.1 (the first stable version of X) until Photoshop 7 was released. That's not too shabby.

I'm not at all surprised by this announcement. We forget that there is no real incentive for major software developers to port existing versions of their software to Universal Binaries.

It's all about the money, and there is little or no money in providing UB crossgrades.
 
superleccy said:
I need a vector drawing package to finally complete my switch from PC to Mac, and was in two minds whether or not I should go for Illustrator CS2. But at £499 including VAT (and yes my American friends, that's a whopping US$886), it wasn't a decision I was ever going to take lightly.
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What about Inkscape?

http://www.inkscape.org/

$0 US. I assume that translates to approximately £0.

Jerry
 
i think with the potential speed of rosetta under the new pro machines it may not be a noticable downgrade in speed, or at least one that can be coped with for a few short months... :)
 
I told you so. :p

The only reason Adobe is even close to being able to claim a Universal Binary is because of work Macromedia was doing to create Lightroom on a new architecture.

The changes they make to all of the applications will should have a great performance improvement because they'll be removing 15 years of rubbish and poor coding, that they didn't care to handle all of these years.

Corel could probably step up again with version 12 or 13 of the Corel Graphics Suite and they'll probably have Painter running as a UB by the end of 2006. Deneba will most likely have a UB of Canvas shortly.

Is it a wonder that so many shops are still running on Mac OS 9.x? :D They're not only cheap, but they're waiting for Apple to make up its mind. 68000->68020/68030/68040->PPC->Mac OS X and PPC->Mac OS X and Intel.
 
Just another good reason to hold onto your G5's people. I got my G5 last may and it still flies. This way I will have another 2 years with it running all of the pro apps at great speeds. So, who want's to guess how the sales of the new Mac Pro's (PowerMac replacement) will be when they are released??? :rolleyes:

aussie_geek
 
apple should just buy out these poor british ****ers and get on with the show.
i blame apple for not buying them out years ago.
 
l008com said:
Lets not forget that it took adobe forever to get OS X compatible apps out too.
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Actually, Adobe wasn't bad at all. That's the biggest reason why Quark lost so much, because Adobe was there for OS X when they weren't.
 
And this probably means CS4 (yes CS4) MIGHT be written in Cocoa- that would come out to ~7 years after the release of Mac OS X.

Maybe when the Intel Macs become 2x as fast as they are now, we'll have equal Rosetta performance. For example, since the intel iMac runs PS at 50% native speed, once the iMac is 2x as fast as it is today, we'll have equal performance, which isn't too bad. The Intel PowerMacs should come out to equal performance when they're released.
 
Even though I use PS every day, I feel like Adobe has been letting me down for years. Haven't been very happy with the performance or features of PS upgrades for the last few years.
 
I suppose this is a good thing - Adobe will need to pretty much rebuild their apps from the ground up. So hopefully we'll end up with a lighting fast UniBin native Cocoa app.
 
ultrafiel said:
I use Photoshop every day in my profession. I'm working on it 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, around 50 weeks of the year. I will not upgrade my G5 until Photoshop is a universal binary. However, I still manage fine on my dual G5 2.0 Ghz even after almost 2 years so I can wait a while longer.

CS2 came out in May 2005. Since Adobe is pretty consistent with the 18 month upgrade cycle expect CS3 to come out around Nov 2006, or the end of this year. Considering the Pro machines won't go Intel until probably around WWDC in July waiting another half year really won't be that bad. Sure it's not the best news in the world, but I can hold off. The time it will take to get pro apps from other vendors than Apple out with universal binaries is going to hurt adoption of the new machines a bit though.
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Same here. I just got a Quad and I'm not going to the Intel Mac until all the apps are ready to go. Photoshop runs fine now and my need for speed is more for the 3D and motion apps, not CS.
 
I wouldn't beat up Adobe over this, they have a large codebase and Apple has placed the onus on developers to create universal binaries. It's going to be easier for some products than for others. I think it's entirely reasonable for Adobe to say, at this point, that the next major version will be universal. And as others have said, it'll be about the same time the Intel Pro machines (PowerMacs) are out anyway, so I can't characterize their behavior as "foot-dragging". Remember even a bunch of Apple's own Pro apps aren't even universal yet.
 
Lancetx said:
In the end Adobe will suffer for this too. They've effectively killed all of their Mac software sales now for the foreseeable future with this announcement. Virtually no one will run out and buy their current apps knowing that they'll be basically forced into upgrading them yet again sometime within the next year, if they have any intention of buying a new Mac within that time frame.
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I doubt Adobe is really that worried. There is a very small customer base right now for Intel Macs and most people who have already wanted CS2 have already gotten it.

I only really see Apple being hurt from this, they are one Adobe's stopwatch now.

jon
 
I'd love for there to be some competition on the Mac platform for graphics editing. I've always hated Photoshop, I've never liked how it works ever and have always been a devout Paint Shop Pro fan on the PC. One big niggler in switching *everything* to Mac is the lack of Paint Shop Pro. If they could get a Universal Binary port out in the next few months they'd make a killing imo. Its just as powerful and way cheaper.

I'm guessing that won't happen so hopefully it'll run decently through Darwine in a few months anyway.
 
andysmith said:
I suppose this is a good thing - Adobe will need to pretty much rebuild their apps from the ground up. So hopefully we'll end up with a lighting fast UniBin native Cocoa app.
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That's one reason I've been disappointed. I thought the rewrite for OS X would result in lightning fast speeds... it didn't.
 
Adobe has the most stupid CEO of all time. It is going against Microsoft, opensource and now wants to begin a war with Apple. They think cause they have photoshop and flash the own the creative market...
 
Couldn't this add incentive to those folks trying to get winXP to boot on intel macs?

Also, some kind of VPC app that would run windows apps on intel macs at nearly native speeds could be released a while before adobe releases universal binaries... Mac users buying PC apps wouldn't be benificial to mac software developers, but I could definitely see this happening.
 
:mad: they say Steve Balmer is prone to throwing office furniture around when he gets made. I can think of another Steve who probably is throwing people around with this news. God knows I’d be ready to put my fist through a wall if I found out one of my primary vendors dicked me like this. And that IS what Adobe is doing. Apple has enough assets that they could swallow Adobe whole and then some. I say they do it and drop kick the execs out the top floor of their building. Don’t let the concrete slab hit you on your way ou...down ***holes. :mad:

DISCOMUNICATION said:
Wonder if they'll say screw you to Microsoft when it comes time for Vista compatibility? I too hope one or more killer appz swoop in during this period.
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Photoshop works perfectly fine in Vista already. I've used it. No problems.


Johnny Rico said:
Hahahaha Paint Shop Pro is garbage. :p
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9 yes. 8 Yes. 7 is pretty dang good. I'd take it over Photoshop any day for basic editing. Its overhead on a system is a 10th that of Photoshop.
 
ultrafiel said:
I use Photoshop every day in my profession. I'm working on it 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, around 50 weeks of the year. I will not upgrade my G5 until Photoshop is a universal binary. However, I still manage fine on my dual G5 2.0 Ghz even after almost 2 years so I can wait a while longer.

CS2 came out in May 2005. Since Adobe is pretty consistent with the 18 month upgrade cycle expect CS3 to come out around Nov 2006, or the end of this year. Considering the Pro machines won't go Intel until probably around WWDC in July waiting another half year really won't be that bad. Sure it's not the best news in the world, but I can hold off. The time it will take to get pro apps from other vendors than Apple out with universal binaries is going to hurt adoption of the new machines a bit though.
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I agree this is not bad for the Power Mac users. But there are some 'pros' (myself included), who prefer to work on mobile systems so we can sit in cafes or on top of mountains while we work.

We need the MacBook Pro yesterday, because the G4 sucks ass. So, I think, for us, this blows -- hard.

I am not surprised, though...Photoshop (and Flash...the other thing I need) are old-ass bloated apps, and I know they are Carbon to the core, so moving to XCode and Cocoa is a lot of work for those Adobe engineers.

Kind of sucks that in order to be native we will have to upgrade, though. Another $1,000 into Adobe's big pile of money. <sigh>
 
Holy cow, what a bust. And I was considering lightroom (which is universal) unless apple gets off its arse and makes aperture work on this computer. AND make it better. Like no blue false contours when you change the color temp a lot. GRR and lens correction.
 
MaCaDDiCT21 said:
Wait, but wont Adobe's progs work with the intel macs anyways. theyll have to go through the translation of Rosetta. But it's better than nothing...
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Not for professionals it isn't. Did we ever get a definitive answer on if Photoshop in Rosetta on the 1.83Ghz iMac is faster then Photoshop on a top of the line G4 PowerBook? If it isn't Adobe has single handedly killed off a pretty damn important segment of MacBook buyers. I would say this smells like Microsoft but its too cunning a plan for them and it has the distinct odor of paranoia.


jared_kipe said:
Holy cow, what a bust. And I was considering lightroom (which is universal) unless apple gets off its arse and makes aperture work on this computer. AND make it better. Like no blue false contours when you change the color temp a lot. GRR and lens correction.
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I'm officially boycotting ALL of Adobe's wares even Windows wares. I was looking into upgrading my Acrobat version to 7.0 Pro. Screw that and screw them. :mad:

Oh and for the 8 people so far marking this as positive. .
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grow up and get a clue. This is going to hurt Apple. How much? Who knows but its going to hurt sales.
 
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