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All this still has nothing to do with whether or not H.264 is open or not,what you're talking about is whether it's free or not,two different things.

If it were not open we wouldn't be debating whether or not developpers have to pay millions of dollars to develop an encoder or decoder because if it weren't open they wouldn't be able to develop an encoder or decoder period,not even for a trillion dollars.

Okay, I'll give you points for semantics if you'll give me $5 million dollars so I can write a codec for commercial use. ;)
 
What's new?

Flash still fails to reduce CPU usage, now enlists GPU to do the work.

Still fails to be efficient.

"A graphics processing unit or GPU (also occasionally called visual processing unit or VPU) is a specialized microprocessor that offloads and accelerates graphics rendering from the central (micro-)processor. It is used in embedded systems, mobile phones, personal computers, workstations, and game consoles. Modern GPUs are very efficient at manipulating computer graphics, and their highly parallel structure makes them more effective than general-purpose CPUs for a range of complex algorithms." Source

No, you fail. ;)
 
"A graphics processing unit or GPU (also occasionally called visual processing unit or VPU) is a specialized microprocessor that offloads and accelerates graphics rendering from the central (micro-)processor. It is used in embedded systems, mobile phones, personal computers, workstations, and game consoles. Modern GPUs are very efficient at manipulating computer graphics, and their highly parallel structure makes them more effective than general-purpose CPUs for a range of complex algorithms." Source

No, you fail. ;)


Get the Spaghetti out of your brain, Did you fail to understand what he posted, Even with all the extra off loading that Adobe is using to help with Flash with (GPU) (VPU) (CPU) it Doesn't Matter, It is still a Buggy Pile of Slop.

It will Always be a mess, and by the time Adobe gets all the Bugs worked out it won't matter anyway, and as posted by many users even the number show that flash is dying a death that it should have along time ago.

And as you so famously put it Direct from your keyboard - No, you fail. ;) And thats a Quote from you Baby :cool:
 
When did Adobe drop ActionScript in favor of ECMAScript?

The URL you provided is an interesting page, but it only discusses appearances and provides neither benchmarks nor the means to run each animation separately to obtain your own measurements.

That prompted me to do a little searching - here's a sampling of what I could find in the way of actual benchmarks:

-snip- LINKS -snip-

Very interesting! Thank you for doing some research.

Except for the last set of tests done on phones, I think the rest of the tests were done on Windows computers. Wasn't one of Steve Jobs' issues with Flash was that Adobe was glacially s-l-o-w in upgrading Flash for Apple's products, putting Apple at a disadvantage?

The amount of CPU load of Flash then compounded Apple's strategy for long battery performance as Apple began basing more of their products on mobile devices. The combination of the two issues with Adobe's Flash finally caused Jobs to decided to kick Flash to the curb.
 
Bottom line for me as a consumer is, I don't care about your politics, your little squabbles with Apple or your excuses. Until your products works as it's supposed to on my choice of platform, I will not be using it. 10 fold CPU efficiency? Great. Awesome. Finally, I think is the right word. Release it and i'll try it, if it works i'll use it, if not, i'll stick to my Click2Flash and Youtube5 thanks.
 
When did Adobe drop ActionScript in favor of ECMAScript?

The URL you provided is an interesting page, but it only discusses appearances and provides neither benchmarks nor the means to run each animation separately to obtain your own measurements.

The Actionscript is base on ECMA, they didn't write their own language, it's essentially javascript syntax with some adobe spice in it. I thing you've never seen inside the belly of the beast that flash become over years.

And your interpretation of the benchmark you've give us is flawed. The direct drawing in many browser still not optimize has Flash become after over 10 version. And it will not take this long if not already for Google, Apple and the rest to optimize their browser to equal Flash drawing speed. My point was flash is a CPU sucker and no link you gave me prove me wrong. if you check benchmark about processing, all browser javascript destroy flash.

In the long course HTML5 is a better strategy than Flash. If we need to code javascript apps, better keep the only one within the browser than using an other one within a external plugin. Javascript like any API should be an core OS services and Apple, PALM-HP, Microsoft, RIM are going that way. What adobe should do is to let go their ambition about Flash as an application platform that is not, and focus on HTML5 creating apps.
 
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Based on everyones comments, looks like everyone is excited to get Flash on the iPhone and iPad....AWESOME!!. There are a few Flash haters left, but hey, they can always disable it and go on their merry way to the virtual "smoking section"

Sorry, but wouldn't flash users be in the smoking section? All those CPUs and GPUs toasting, gotta be a little smoke at least. HIYO!
 
Get the Spaghetti out of your brain, Did you fail to understand what he posted, Even with all the extra off loading that Adobe is using to help with Flash with (GPU) (VPU) (CPU) it Doesn't Matter, It is still a Buggy Pile of Slop.

How would you know? 10.2 hasn't even been released yet.

It will Always be a mess, and by the time Adobe gets all the Bugs worked out it won't matter anyway, and as posted by many users even the number show that flash is dying a death that it should have along time ago.

Oh I see, you're just a rabid Flash hating Apple fanboi, I feel sorry for you :( Here, have a cookie.
 
I actually believe Adobe will pull this off. I just downloaded Reader 10 (windows) and it's a HUGE improvement in efficiency and usability. It's almost as if Apple made it.

The same Adobe Reader that is STILL not available on iPad, so no ability to read eBooks from libraries (since most libraries in the US seem to use some weird DRM'd PDF format that only Adobe Reader understands)?

Yeah, I think I'll limit my enthusiasm for Adobe.

(And likewise for the BS artist above claiming that, "oh this is all part of the evolution, part of the usual improving of software". If this is the case, why no Reader for iPad? Adobe was unaware of iOS and the iPhone years ago? They were unaware of iPad one year ago?

The bottom line is that Adobe has never done a damn thing to improve their software on Apple platforms without being damn-well forced to by Apple. And in situations where Apple has no leverage, like Adobe Reader, we see absolutely nothing happen.)
 
The same Adobe Reader that is STILL not available on iPad, so no ability to read eBooks from libraries (since most libraries in the US seem to use some weird DRM'd PDF format that only Adobe Reader understands)?

Yeah, I think I'll limit my enthusiasm for Adobe.

(And likewise for the BS artist above claiming that, "oh this is all part of the evolution, part of the usual improving of software". If this is the case, why no Reader for iPad? Adobe was unaware of iOS and the iPhone years ago? They were unaware of iPad one year ago?

The bottom line is that Adobe has never done a damn thing to improve their software on Apple platforms without being damn-well forced to by Apple. And in situations where Apple has no leverage, like Adobe Reader, we see absolutely nothing happen.)

Unfortunately that's because Apple doesn't really matter in the OS space. It has a joke of a market share and a large percent of that tiny percentage is composed of people like you who blindly hate things because Stevie said so. Like the other thread about Bluray. "Well I don't want it, DVD is just fine." :rolleyes:
 
The same Adobe Reader that is STILL not available on iPad, so no ability to read eBooks from libraries (since most libraries in the US seem to use some weird DRM'd PDF format that only Adobe Reader understands)?

Yeah, I think I'll limit my enthusiasm for Adobe.

(And likewise for the BS artist above claiming that, "oh this is all part of the evolution, part of the usual improving of software". If this is the case, why no Reader for iPad? Adobe was unaware of iOS and the iPhone years ago? They were unaware of iPad one year ago?

The bottom line is that Adobe has never done a damn thing to improve their software on Apple platforms without being damn-well forced to by Apple. And in situations where Apple has no leverage, like Adobe Reader, we see absolutely nothing happen.)

Since the iOS has the Quartz PDF display, Apple could block the apps for duplicating a private core framework, which is forbidden.

Beside that, that another case where apps like Preview or Safari built-in PDF viewer using a coreOS API been much faster than Adobe solution.

Adobe have never forgive Apple for modifying the multi-millions dollars Postscript display license it was in the NeXT OS into a license free PDF Quartz display under their nose without paying them anything.
 
Bottom line for me as a consumer is, I don't care about your politics, your little squabbles with Apple or your excuses. Until your products works as it's supposed to on my choice of platform, I will not be using it. 10 fold CPU efficiency? Great. Awesome. Finally, I think is the right word. Release it and i'll try it, if it works i'll use it, if not, i'll stick to my Click2Flash and Youtube5 thanks.

The fundamental mindset of Flash is wrong. Nobody gets to run programs on my computer without my permission. One very good side-effect of all the Flash bruhaha is that more people realize that they can control when Flash runs on their machine.

Even if Flash were perfectly efficient, Click2Flash usage will continue to increase, and Flash will become increasingly irrelevant to advertisers.

Does anyone have metrics on what percentage of computers now have click-to-flash installed?
 
In case you missed it, the link you offered describes how the FSF hates h.264 also.
Excellent... someone followed a link and read it. Good. However —in case you missed it —the FSF has no love for Apple either. So what's your point?... and more importantly, how does your point relate in any way to my initial assertion? [i.e., that Jobs is not the only (or even the original) Flash hater.]
 
Battery life is relevant to a relatively small group of people. I am not aware of people other than college students sitting in outdated rooms (not equipped with power outlets) who do not have access to power.

How's that Kool-aid tasting, a little too sweet or what? :)
 
honestly, did you even watch the video, or do you normally talk about things you know nothing about?

I do find it funny that the audio and video are out of sync on a flash video promoting how flash is now getting to be almost useable. LOL.

Now just wait for the penny to drop, that it's Windows-only, requires 8GB RAM, a $5000 graphics card or somesuch. Over-promise, under-deliver.
 
Excellent... someone followed a link and read it. Good. However —in case you missed it —the FSF has no love for Apple either. So what's your point?... and more importantly, how does your point relate in any way to my initial assertion? [i.e., that Jobs is not the only (or even the original) Flash hater.]

True enough in at least as much as one Apple-hater also hates Adobe.

Personally, I think the whole hatred thing has gotten a bit weird. In the last couple years the Mac community has started to erode into something very different from the wholesome crew I enjoyed when I got started with the platform 20 years ago.

These days the Ubuntu crowd seems to have more in common with early Mac community than most of today's Mac users.
 
The fundamental mindset of Flash is wrong. Nobody gets to run programs on my computer without my permission.

What happened to your Mac that you no longer control what runs on it?

The answer was in the next sentence that you trimmed from your response:

The fundamental mindset of Flash is wrong. Nobody gets to run programs on my computer without my permission. One very good side-effect of all the Flash bruhaha is that more people realize that they can control when Flash runs on their machine.

I was a later adopter of the click-to-flash plugins; I ran all of the flash advertising and other nonsense for far longer than was necessary.

You've got it backwards. I do now control what Flash apps run on my machine. I go out of my way to educate my fellow computer users about the click-to-flash plugins.

To me, the most interesting question about Flash behavior is why Adobe didn't natively provide the click-to-flash functionality from the start. The answer is pretty clear: Adobe's focus has never been on the user; Adobe's focus has always been on the Adobe developer. Allowing users to muzzle Flash will tremendously improve a user's browsing experience, but it would hurt the Flash developer.

That's what I meant when I said the fundamental mindset of Flash was wrong.
 
How would you know? 10.2 hasn't even been released yet.



Oh I see, you're just a rabid Flash hating Apple fanboi, I feel sorry for you :( Here, have a cookie.

Flash is irrelevant trash, and has nothing to do with Mac, Apple, PC, or otherwise.
 
The answer was in the next sentence that you trimmed from your response:
Have you considered simply turning it off? Or uninstalling it?

The notion that Apple somehow forces you to use software you don't want isn't fair to their excellent OS design.

The user is in control.

Exercise your control.
 
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