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Not sure why Nicotine isn't just made an illegal substance...
Money. Lots of work went into getting rid of cigarettes and it worked. All them no smoking zones. But now we have kids vaping and even doing it in the no smoking areas.
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How does someone wanting to adjust the temperature of their dried cannabis flower vaporizer, in any way make it cool for kids to smoke cigarettes?

It’s the device in itself and anything that promotes it. At least smoking with all its vices at least could make a gentleman look handsome.
 
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These devices are circumventing anti smoking work that has been slowly making progress in getting rid of smoking. They've made it cool for kids to use and created a fresh generation of smokers that where turned off cigarettes. This isn't about taking away people freedoms, its about a industry that found a way to sell cigarettes in a new package.
Kids will always get access to things they’re not supposed to. That doesn’t mean the apps should be banned. That’s a terrible argument. Also this device is for weed, but reading is apparently difficult for some.
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I am probably in the minority but I applaud the move
Congratulations. People like you are why others lose their freedoms.
 
No, that's not the question... that's whataboutism... 😜
But, yes, I, too, don't think everything needs an app... but it's not Apple's business to interfere with someone elses business that have already invested in and commited to their infrastructure.
I saw my chance for a joke and I took it. That’s just showbiz baby.
 
For me this is a medical device - what is next, apple bans all heart rate monitors? Blood pressure controls? Still very disappointing that Apple didn't take the time to understand their decision fully here before making it. This had zero impact on the illegal black-market vaping that caused the health issue!

Even from the legal recreational user standpoint - what would be next, all beer/wine apps get removed?!
 
It seems many posters and Apple management have a misunderstanding of what products PAX makes. Their primary products are for vaporizing cannabis flower...despite large numbers of Apple employees owning PAX devices for this exact purpose, Apple management has decided to lump this in with the toxic tobacco juices that are sold at sketchy gas stations.
 
These devices are circumventing anti smoking work that has been slowly making progress in getting rid of smoking. They've made it cool for kids to use and created a fresh generation of smokers that where turned off cigarettes. This isn't about taking away people freedoms, its about a industry that found a way to sell cigarettes in a new package.
You need to google PAX. I agree with your statement in regards to Juul and other nicotine juice vendors....but PAX is for cannabis
 
In that they are both naturally occurring stimulants found in plants I beg to differ.


Nicotine is a stimulant and potent parasympathomimetic alkaloid that is naturally produced in the nightshade family of plants.



PS - Not speaking to any other comparison other than that, you indicated that is should be made an illegal substance and I challenge that making any naturally occurring substance illegal is just dumb, it comes from a plant!

Make the forest illegal bro!
 
I just bought a Pax era last week... my second one. It seems like many on this forum are confused about what it is...

It's a cartridge-based cannabis vaporizer that uses some pretty impressive tech to heat up the terpenes and cannabinoids to a temperature where they are active enough to be vaporized as air passes over them, but not hot enough to burn. In short, it's a lot less (zero to be exact) tar and has no harsh byproducts of burning cannabis the traditional way.

Although this device looks a lot like the Juul, and is designed and manufactured by the same company that originally developed Juul, it isn't a cigarette or nicotine-based vape. It's for cannabis and cannabis only.

The app enables some really cool features that, in my opinion, make the Pax era a premium device above alternatives, including temperature control, monitoring usage, information on the chemical makeup of the cartridge you're using, a lockout feature to prevent *cough* Children from using it... and even a few games. Only Silicon Valley could've made a device with this much simplicity and under-the-hood functionality. You definitely don't HAVE to use the app with it... you can just put a cartridge in and start to inhale, but it's not the same experience. Akin to using an Apple Watch without pairing it to an iPhone.

And it's very frustrating that Apple, a company based in California, where cannabis is legal for recreational use, has decided to take this stance. If it were really about keeping underage kids from using vape devices, Apple would and should implement an age-based verification system for Apple ID's using DL data from the DMV, the same way the Pax website uses DL data to verify the age of their customers.
 
You need to google PAX. I agree with your statement in regards to Juul and other nicotine juice vendors....but PAX is for cannabis
After reading 75% of the comments on this topic, I’ve come to the conclusion that Mac nerds should probably stick to commenting about Mac stuff. ;)
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I just bought a Pax era last week... my second one. It seems like many on this forum are confused about what it is...

It's a cartridge-based cannabis vaporizer that uses some pretty impressive tech to heat up the terpenes and cannabinoids to a temperature where they are active enough to be vaporized as air passes over them, but not hot enough to burn. In short, it's a lot less (zero to be exact) tar and has no harsh byproducts of burning cannabis the traditional way.

Although this device looks a lot like the Juul, and is designed and manufactured by the same company that originally developed Juul, it isn't a cigarette or nicotine-based vape. It's for cannabis and cannabis only.

The app enables some really cool features that, in my opinion, make the Pax era a premium device above alternatives, including temperature control, monitoring usage, information on the chemical makeup of the cartridge you're using, a lockout feature to prevent *cough* Children from using it... and even a few games. Only Silicon Valley could've made a device with this much simplicity and under-the-hood functionality. You definitely don't HAVE to use the app with it... you can just put a cartridge in and start to inhale, but it's not the same experience. Akin to using an Apple Watch without pairing it to an iPhone.

And it's very frustrating that Apple, a company based in California, where cannabis is legal for recreational use, has decided to take this stance. If it were really about keeping underage kids from using vape devices, Apple would and should implement an age-based verification system for Apple ID's using DL data from the DMV, the same way the Pax website uses DL data to verify the age of their customers.
Thanks for taking the time to write this. 🙏
 
Regulate big tech.
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Apple is publicly traded, private company. They can take down whatever they want. No one’s rights are being violated.
Until that changes. Apple literally has a duopoly on apps with Google. End censorship now or be forced!!!
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Thanks for that but no one here claimed their rights were being violated. I believe the general discussion is in regards to whether Apple should act as the moral authority on apps, not if they can.
No kidding. How many times are we gonna have to hear "but they aren't doing anything illegal" used as an argument before people get the message?
 
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It's funny to me that this company have 'gotten round' Apple's blocking them by doing what was originally intended by Apple themselves (on iPhoneOS / iOS at least) - make it a web app.

Remember, everyone complained they wanted native apps, so Apple then did that, with a store curated by Apple. And everyone has been free to do web apps just the same ever since.

So while I do think it's sometimes a problem (subjectively, depending on what apps you care about or your opinion on what should or shouldn't be allowed there) that Apple get to decide what apps can and can't be in their app store - it is their app store, and, importantly, there is the original route to making 'apps' that Apple themselves touted with the original iPhone - on the web. :)
 
After reading 75% of the comments on this topic, I’ve come to the conclusion that Mac nerds should probably stick to commenting about Mac stuff. ;)
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Thanks for taking the time to write this. 🙏

All of this. It's sad (but mostly amusing) watching them grandstand on a topic they appear to know little about.

I use a Pax Era… love the app (which I kept installed, phew.) I've also spoken to a few blind people who use prescribed cannabis, and they relied on the Pax app/iOS accessibility voiceover to let them know the temperature of the device.

Sure, Apple can make up whatever decisions they want, and while this doesn't personally bother/impact me, I just think they didn't do all their research here. PAX having their app removed was an unfortunate byproduct of a bigger push with slightly more noble intentions. Just my two cents…
 
What people do in their free time with their money is their business. No one needs or wants your opinion, supervision or approval. I am happy to live in the US knowing have a tremendous amount of freedom that is for the most part unmatched in the rest of the world.
Dream on...
US didn't make top 50 in this US-based survey...
 
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