Just to correct you a little bit. Jailbreaking is not the problem, it's the unlocking. I use a jailbroken phone but do use the ATT&T plan and have no push problems, yet get jailbroken advantages. Jailbreaking doesn't mean you don't use the phone without ATT&T ... unlocking does. ( You need to jailbreak to unlock, but not the other way around )
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Nice! My reaction exactly.
That's a fair opinion. I don't agree with it but that's OK.
My opinion is that this shouldn't garner any public attention as it's just a risk that one better be more than aware of that can arise with "hacktivating" an iPhone. It's fine to discuss it with the fellow iPhone hackers but doesn't really deserve regular attention to those of use who couldn't care less since the few problems we have are usually taken care of by those we agree to pay ( AT&T + Apple for example ).
Nice! My reaction exactly.If "this" = your own actions than you are correct.
That's a fair opinion. I don't agree with it but that's OK.
My opinion is that this shouldn't garner any public attention as it's just a risk that one better be more than aware of that can arise with "hacktivating" an iPhone. It's fine to discuss it with the fellow iPhone hackers but doesn't really deserve regular attention to those of use who couldn't care less since the few problems we have are usually taken care of by those we agree to pay ( AT&T + Apple for example ).
this why this needs public attention. can anyone get my cryptokey from my phone? how safe is this?
This isn't a problem with jailbreaking or unlocking, per se. It has to do with activation.
Normally, an iPhone without an official SIM won't activate, so a patch is done to override the activation lock. However, during activation, Push is initialized. So if you don't activate with an official SIM card, Push won't work right.
People who have jailbroken / unlocked their phones after activating with an official SIM without doing a full restore will not have this problem.
Normally, an iPhone without an official SIM won't activate, so a patch is done to override the activation lock. However, during activation, Push is initialized. So if you don't activate with an official SIM card, Push won't work right.
People who have jailbroken / unlocked their phones after activating with an official SIM without doing a full restore will not have this problem.
Are you kidding me? Did you even read the article? It's people like you (people that have unlocked their iPhones) who are causing this problem....
you do understand that they are talking about phones that were illegally hacked. like yours. not that it is an ATT flaw.
If you jailbreak your phone without doing a 'full restore' (that's to keep the keys). Copy the keys and give them someone else, then well.. someone else will have your keys.
Without a code injection exploit and a runtime jailbreak, people won't be able to get to those keys without you knowing.
There is nothing illegal about jailbreaking your own phone. It's not like the police will track you down because you broke a cellphone contract clause.
In many countries such a "no jailbreak" clause is even nonsense. I may do anything to what I buy as long as I do not harm anybody with it. Like interrupt the t-mobile.nl network with my iPhone for example, then they may go sue me.
"You may drive drunk and naked on a motor cycle in the confinement of your own living room."
Here's a question... are the keys different every time?
I purchased a new iPhone 3GS. I wiped my iPhone 3G, but after the wipe it wanted to be activated. To get rid of the message, I just popped my new SIM in from my 3GS, waited and after it said it was activated, pulled that SIM out and put it back in my 3GS. I then sold the phone like that.
Curious, if the keys are always different then I'm ok. But if the keys are always the same based on the SIM, then that guy now has my keys on his iPhone unless he does a wipe.
I'm thinking about going to the AT&T store and asking for a new SIM.
And no, neither the 3G nor the 3GS were ever jailbroken or unlocked. But if the keys are generated based on activation and activation is done on two phones with the same SIM, like I just did, are the keys the same? I would suspect not, but I'm not 100% sure.
I purchased a new iPhone 3GS. I wiped my iPhone 3G, but after the wipe it wanted to be activated. To get rid of the message, I just popped my new SIM in from my 3GS, waited and after it said it was activated, pulled that SIM out and put it back in my 3GS. I then sold the phone like that.
Curious, if the keys are always different then I'm ok. But if the keys are always the same based on the SIM, then that guy now has my keys on his iPhone unless he does a wipe.
I'm thinking about going to the AT&T store and asking for a new SIM.
And no, neither the 3G nor the 3GS were ever jailbroken or unlocked. But if the keys are generated based on activation and activation is done on two phones with the same SIM, like I just did, are the keys the same? I would suspect not, but I'm not 100% sure.
The thing that concerns me is that it sounds like *legitimate locked iPhones* can have their incoming push messages re-routed to a random activation cracked iPhone if that cracked phone is using the same key.
Does anyone else believe this is possible? where do cracked iPhone's get their push keys from in the first place?
Does anyone else believe this is possible? where do cracked iPhone's get their push keys from in the first place?
I would guess that there is almost 0 chance of someone generating the same key as your phone. The only way, it sounds like, to get the same key on two phones would be to copy it between those phones or maybe activating with the same SIM.
My concern seems a little more legitimate for people selling their old phones and just moving the SIM or activating their old phone after a restore as I did.
Your name and what you said do not match. Besides its your fault for unlocking not Apples not Atts I love how people do something wrong and expect no consequence or someone else to fix it or take the blame.
If you look at his other posts you will see he says something like that in all of them almost.
Ask Apple. They programmed the thing. Also, a curious jailbreaker might already know.
btw, it wouldn't be that much of a problem for the iPhone to just generate a new key every time none is found and send the public part to an Apple server. Key exchanges like that happen all the time. And security relies on the randomness of keys.
That's true only if they rely on security through obscurity, which they couldn't be doing in either case.
I used to unlock and jailbreak all my iphones, but I understood that software glitches and the like were my responsibility. After a while I lost interest in jailbreaking and the iphone all together. But again, complaining about issues should be relegated to the Dev Team and associates not apple. Apple should remain obligated to you for hardware/craftsmanship defects because those are present regardless of the carrier.
Most mature unlockers/jailbreakers understand that there is little risk and issues like this will arise and be sorted later. Opponents of this approach have been hoping for bricking and lack of functionality for years now and this has got them all worked up
Most mature unlockers/jailbreakers understand that there is little risk and issues like this will arise and be sorted later. Opponents of this approach have been hoping for bricking and lack of functionality for years now and this has got them all worked up
No idea why this is front page of MR; no idea why this is news at all... This is a *known* issue with non-factory unlocked phones and push services. The dev team is working on a fix.
Also, this doesn't even happen on unlocked phones unless you install "PushFix".. if you don't push notifications don't work at all!
Here are some tweets from several weeks ago by cpich3g (a dev team member) that warn of the problem:
http://twitter.com/cpich3g/status/2501664366
http://twitter.com/cpich3g/status/2497915157
Also, this doesn't even happen on unlocked phones unless you install "PushFix".. if you don't push notifications don't work at all!
Here are some tweets from several weeks ago by cpich3g (a dev team member) that warn of the problem:
http://twitter.com/cpich3g/status/2501664366
http://twitter.com/cpich3g/status/2497915157
Don't forget this has nothing to do with jailbreaking iphones.
It's to do with UNOFFICIAL iphone activations .. (which just happen to be done thru a jailbroken iphone).
I have an official iphone, with an official sim card, officially activated through itunes, that is jailbroken and PUSH works just like in any other phone.
the problem are those "hacktivated" iphones. not all jailbroken iphones.
It's to do with UNOFFICIAL iphone activations .. (which just happen to be done thru a jailbroken iphone).
I have an official iphone, with an official sim card, officially activated through itunes, that is jailbroken and PUSH works just like in any other phone.
the problem are those "hacktivated" iphones. not all jailbroken iphones.
As do I.
I have been jailbroken forever but I just now switched over to tmobile exclusivley. Go figure. The day some kind of news like this breaks. Haha. I guess I get to see what kind of intimate conversations people may or may not be having.
