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Airbnb and ClassPass Claim Apple Wrongly Demanded Commission on Sales of Virtual Classes
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Malware, Spyware, Adware, copyright infringers, etc. In other words...the Google Play store and side-loading!
SO again, people are upset that Apple wants a cut for providing a "store" and all the security and features that allow a wonderful presentation to the end user (customer) to "work" as advertised?
Enough of this crap already. This is incredibly easy to understand. If you want to charge for your application/subscription. Apple gets a cut for hosting this and securing that, and making the payment process work, etc. Why is that so hard? If you sell a physical product in a physical store. You don't get the full retail price paid back to you, you get a cut taken out from the store for SELLING IT!!! FFS is this really that hard?
Enough of this crap already. This is incredibly easy to understand. If you want to charge for your application/subscription. Apple gets a cut for hosting this and securing that, and making the payment process work, etc. Why is that so hard? If you sell a physical product in a physical store. You don't get the full retail price paid back to you, you get a cut taken out from the store for SELLING IT!!! FFS is this really that hard?
Airbnb and ClassPass have claimed that Apple's demand to take a cut of online sales was wrong, reports The New York Times.
Wow, airbnb, that’s very hypocritical of you. I guess you wouldn’t mind if your clients who offer rentals decided that they only wanted to pay you a pittance (or zero) of a commission based on the fees renters pay them. Of course, airbnb, you would claim that your front end guarantees the business that the renters need and helps secure (relatively) safe, violence-free non-criminal guests and that such a front end (read: App Store) doesn’t come cheaply (upkeep costs, etc.). The shoe is on the other foot now. Do as I say, don’t do as I do.
The opportunistic, cowardly predators only “jump into the fray” once the large prey is being attacked by others sharing the same goal. In this case, that goal would be a free ride in a massively profit-generating, safe Apple App Store.
ironically, Apple sells iPhones to retailers at MSRP, the store makes nothing for SELLING IT!!!
Sure it's "fair" to everyone, according to the rules set by Apple. But the result, in this case, is ridiculous. If you apply your rules "consistently", and you get an absurd result, then something is wrong with the rules. In this case, Apple is taking 30% of revenues from each online class, even though all they did was facilitate the booking. That 30% comes out of the pocket of the instructor and the people who produced the course. Does Expedia take 30% of hotel bookings? Makes no sense.
Yup, that's how I read it too... "hey host, you owe us a commission for using our platform, don't like it, go somewhere else" "hey Apple, it's unfair that we need to pay commission to use your platform, and we can't go anywhere else". Uh huh.
For 30%? Sure, if the store stocks the product, 30% would be more than reasonable, to cover inventory costs. But 30% just to advertise and process the sale?
AirB&B charges less, provides more service, and makes its charges more transparent to the end-customer. AirB&B also provides a number of booking fee options, including the baseline one in which the hotel only pays 2% (in which case a booking fee is also charged the guest).
Well it isn’t fair to others either way. Basically Apple is enforcing charges for value that do not deliver in any shape or form, there is a name for that. Just because you accept something it does not mean that it’s fair ... but leverage.
Apple is carving a bad vibe amongst entrepreneurs. They are going to be hit in multiple ways. But the worst I wonder if entrepreneurs will indeed embark on another Apple venture as they did before even if rules are enforced by law forcing them to change some practices. Have a look at Windows Store, heck Windows Phone altogether.
Apple can no longer be trusted on these matters as they were ... period. They valued themselves to this point.
For the sake of this comparison, the PS4 would have to be free and Sony would only make money by selling PS+ subscriptions.
And yes, in this case, Best Buy should charge for the subscriptions because they can’t make any profits from selling the PS4 itself.
Should have thought of that when you based your business on another company.
I cannot walk into a mall and teach classes for profit and expect to NOT pay some kind of rent. Apple fronts the significant cost to develop and maintain the app store, issue automatic updates, maintain security, litigate complaints and deliver consistent service. On top of that Apple is bringing a world of customers to these struggling businesses. So I think Apple is very much in the right to expect compensation from businesses profiting off of their infrastructure. The terms of conditions were agreed to by the businesses. And as another user put it, there's a Google alternative if they do not wish to pay to use the Apple Store. Or they can write their own web app and go it alone. Business is business-- not charity. Apple has to make money on this thing.
No, that’s fake news. Try again
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Apple differentiates between physical and digital products. They would make trillions if they took a 30% cut from selling physical products. But your post highlights what many people forget— for the vast majority of apps that Apple allows in its store, Apple receives NOTHING! The millions of free apps who rely on advertising, monetizing of data, or selling of physical products, take advantage of the billions Apple spends to develop and maintain the App Store, etc.
Guess who is the biggest free rider? Spotify where Apple supports over a hundred million Spotify subscribers on the free tier for Spotify for free!
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But Android does not have this limitation, so they don't have to leave mobile at all. Only about 30-40% of it in the US.
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They provide physical service.
In this case they wanted to offer new virtual services consumed on the phone.
What’s the solution? The government should set the commission structure for them? The government should force them to allow competing stores natively on devices? This is ludicrous. It would be a race to the bottom and an erosion of user experience.
If there was competition, Airbnb could simple remove the app off the App Store and allow users to download apps using the browser. Instead, to remain in business, it must follow all of Apple’s rules...
Best Buy also sells PS+ and they get a cut of it if people buy it there. Best Buy does not allow Sony to put up a sign in their store to say "Don't buy your PS+ here buy it on our web store so that we don't have to pay Best Buy". Just like Sony would make more money if they sold the PS4 themselves and not have to pay best buy. So to you, Best Buy should allow Sony to put up a sign in their store telling people to buy direct? All stores have rules and the point of owning any store is to make money. Allowing people to circumvent paying you just because they think its not fair because all you are doing is providing a space for them to sell means the doom of retail as we know it. If Sony wants to sell direct they have every opportunity to spend massive amounts on advertising to direct people to buy direct. All these app companies have the same option but feel entitled to make sure Apple makes nothing. How is this fair.
It is ok for Apple to charge a percentage for an App download. BUt charging for 30% of the business is ridiculous, especially considering that there are no other options for Mobile app stores.
If you are a restaurant, and then you create an app to order online, then you need to pay Apple 30% of every order?
That is worse than any Mafia I have ever seen.
If you are a restaurant, and then you create an app to order online, then you need to pay Apple 30% of every order?
That is worse than any Mafia I have ever seen.
They are creating their App using Apple's tools. They are wanting to access to all of Apple's customers on a store they created, They want to install their App on a platform that Apple invests heavily to maintain. They want Apple to process the payments for them and handle the complaints and refunds when its found that their app sucks.
The restaurant owner has every opportunity, to build a web app that will work on everyones phone using free web standards. They can then use their own money to advertise it and handle all the transactions and complaints. But piggy backing off someone else that did the hard work is a lot easier isn't it. Then just complain to the government that the work you want to piggy back off is worthless and that you should get to control how much they get, if anything at all.
If you think 30% is bad, you have no idea the markup percentage in actual retail stores, and they do much less than Apple does. So I guess we reached a point in time where we now tell companies how much they are allowed to make instead of letting the market decide. Bottom line, just like every other store in existence, both brick and mortar or digitally. If you don't like their rules don't sell there.
The restaurant owner has every opportunity, to build a web app that will work on everyones phone using free web standards. They can then use their own money to advertise it and handle all the transactions and complaints. But piggy backing off someone else that did the hard work is a lot easier isn't it. Then just complain to the government that the work you want to piggy back off is worthless and that you should get to control how much they get, if anything at all.
If you think 30% is bad, you have no idea the markup percentage in actual retail stores, and they do much less than Apple does. So I guess we reached a point in time where we now tell companies how much they are allowed to make instead of letting the market decide. Bottom line, just like every other store in existence, both brick and mortar or digitally. If you don't like their rules don't sell there.