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Each and every one of those officials was voted for or vetted by the representatives of parliament. You can complain about how tech companies decide to implement features (in ways that seemingly skirt the law) but these are not "dictators" and they didn't disallow a live translation feature (if its implementation can be shown compliant with the law).
I never saw one of their names on a ballot paper. Ever.
 
I have no urgent need for that feature. Never had a problem communicating with other European people while traveling across Europe. Nearly all people speak at least English in addition to their mother tongue and most European people also speak the language of their surrounding neighbors. As a German I speak and understand English, French, Dutch, Danish, even a little Spanish, Portuguese, Italian and Polish, but most of the times English is enough to communicate around the world.

[edit] Forgot: Also a little Greek - Difficult alphabet though... ;)
 
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Please explain how Google is offering the equivalent realtime translation feature in their Pixel Buds in the EU.

politely pointing out that you're taking MR speculation about EU regulations as fact as the premise for your question.

We don't actually know the actual cause behind Apple's decision, because Apple has thus far been unwilling to explain it.
 
Yup and many other languages such as Estonian, Lithuanian are completely missing and since you're from Poland, Poland is missing many features too that are available on Android, such as news ec.
And to be fair, this is where translations could be useful. No one needs to translate between Spanish and English; or between French and Italian.
 
I am in Germany but I have had an US Apple Account since the iPod Video days to get those free TV show pilots from iTunes back in the day 🤞🏼

iPhone Mirroring also works as long as I am signed into my US account (the store in purchases & media seems to be enough btw)
iPhone mirroring or whatever you need also works with VPN… question is who needs those gimmicks
 
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The issue is almost certainly that because the translation is done on the phone, not the AirPods, and per the DMA Apple is required to allow access to that feature to any headphone manufacturer who asks for it. Under the DMA Apple is not allowed to differentiate with software features.

From the text of the DMA, bold parts highlighted by me:


In other words, if the translation is done by iOS, then Apple has to give access to that feature to the headphone companies it is competing against. It's not a surprise Apple doesn't want to do that.

This is absolutely a result of EU regulations. Don't be mad at Apple for withholding features when the EU has declared iOS is a public utility.
are you telling me that its a feature of iOS and not the headphones, and should effectively work on all headphones with microhpone out there, including all previous Apple-made ones, and its EU thats bad here?
 
The issue is almost certainly that because the translation is done on the phone, not the AirPods, and per the DMA Apple is required to allow access to that feature to any headphone manufacturer who asks for it. Under the DMA Apple is not allowed to differentiate with software features.

From the text of the DMA, bold parts highlighted by me:


In other words, if the translation is done by iOS, then Apple has to give access to that feature to the headphone companies it is competing against. It's not a surprise Apple doesn't want to do that.

This is absolutely a result of EU regulations. Don't be mad at Apple for withholding features when the EU has declared iOS is a public utility.
withholding gains them nothing though, only frustration with the users. Now nobody gets it, else, everyone with an iPhone and headphones gets it. In the first case, less reason to buy AirPods, in the last case more reason to buy iPhones...
 
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yeah, US big tech dictators who figured they can get away with pushing ads on premium products with 50% margins
Are you talking about Apple? And gross or net profit? Last quarter their gross profit margin was about 47%, but net profit is a more relevant metric and that was only 24% (not the absurd profits people seem to assume)
 
I never saw one of their names on a ballot paper. Ever.
That’s probably by choice because there are European parliamentary elections every five years.
There are also country parliamentary elections every four years (more or less).
Between the country parliaments and the EU parliament, you have all the names involved in choosing the member of the EU Commission (Commission because they make recommendations to the country parliaments, they do not enact laws.
 
are you telling me that its a feature of iOS and not the headphones, and should effectively work on all headphones with microhpone out there, including all previous Apple-made ones, and its EU thats bad here?

I don't work at Apple and am not an engineer. So I don't know if the chip in the headphones is doing pre-processing or anything. But there are lots of things that might go into working this properly. Even if it doesn't require pre-processing, off the top of my head might require certain quality of microphone or a certain quality/speed of connection between the headphone and phone. Maybe if they opened this API up to other headphones it works terribly on almost all other phones, and if is forced to allow all to use the feature it makes a bad impression and isn't a good experience for Apple's customers.

My point is this is absolutely a product decision. There is literally no reason the government should be coming in and dictating "your invention belongs to anyone who wants it." That leads to companies not investing in new features because there is no ROI in developing them. Why should Apple be forced to subsidize features for Bose, B&O and Samsung? Apple spends the money developing it, and then those companies can come in and undercut them on price because they didn't have to spend money developing the feature.

There is a reason the EU has a massive innovation problem, and it's personified by bone-head regulations like this. Apple knows better than bureaucrats in Brussels what is best for their users and products. The government shouldn't be coming in, interfering in the free market, and picking winners and losers.

withholding gains them nothing though, only frustration with the users. Now nobody gets it, else, everyone with an iPhone and headphones gets it. In the first case, less reason to buy AirPods, in the last case more reason to buy iPhones...
Per my point above, if it's a bad experience on other headphones, then releasing it anyway will make Apple look bad.
 
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are you telling me that its a feature of iOS and not the headphones, and should effectively work on all headphones with microhpone out there, including all previous Apple-made ones, and its EU thats bad here?
^Exactly that! That is the way it works on Android - probably even with AirPods™! ;)

[edit] ...and that's also why Android has no problems in Europe:
They "give the feature away" to other competitors "for free"!
 
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I doubt anyone's going to be losing any sleep about this. I'd rather EU citizens be protected from any possible data and privacy issues (wish we still had that protection in the UK rather than our government asking Apple for backdoors into our data). Apple's not going to sell any fewer headphones as a result and I suspect the feature is hardly going to be used anyway. The demonstration in the advert was creepy as hell. When you're trying to speak to someone, especially in a foreign language, the last thing you should have is headphones in your ears. If you must use a translation app then speaking into a phone so that the experience is shared makes much more sense. Using headphones gives the impression that you're not even going to *try* to communicate by yourself.
 
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Apple should work harder to ensure that new products meet EU requirements from the very start, assuming Apple is truly interested in our money. If they expect European customers to pay premium prices, we should at least be able to expect premium effort behind the scenes to make that possible.

This is the correct behavior that Apple should be engaging in.

If different markets have different regulations -- adapt to it and quit complaining about regulation, suing, delaying, whining in public.

It's all ridiculous.

A 3T company needs to better handle different markets and jurisdictions.

They seem to do it just fine with China.
 
I doubt anyone's going to be losing any sleep about this. I'd rather EU citizens be protected from any possible data and privacy issues (wish we still had that protection in the UK rather than our government asking Apple for backdoors into our data). Apple's not going to sell any fewer headphones as a result and I suspect the feature is hardly going to be used anyway. The demonstration in the advert was creepy as hell. When you're trying to speak to someone, especially in a foreign language, the last thing you should have is headphones in your ears. If you must use a translation app then speaking into a phone so that the experience is shared makes much more sense. Using headphones gives the impression that you're not even going to *try* to communicate by yourself.
The whole experience seemed so confusing for the people in the *staged* ad. I can’t imagine how chaotic it would be in real life. Does anyone have any experience with the Android version?
 
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The EU needs to be scrapped, it's causing more problems than it's fixing.

for the people in the back:

we don't know that EU regulations are the actual reason, because Apple hasn't said so. This is purely MR speculation that you are taking as fact
 
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This is the correct behavior that Apple should be engaging in.

If different markets have different regulations -- adapt to it and quit complaining about regulation, suing, delaying, whining in public.

It's all ridiculous.

A 3T company needs to better handle different markets and jurisdictions.

They seem to do it just fine with China.
Honest question, if Apple did talk to the EU and was told "if you release this you have to give it to everyone" and Apple does not want to give it to everyone, whether that's because they don't think it will work reliably on most headphones or because they just don't want to give away what they see as a differentiator, should Apple just not release the feature anywhere?

Like honestly what is Apple supposed to do?
 
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