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The "case" is an abomination and Apple should be embarrassed to ship something like that with a premium product.
Totally agree. Does anyone knows if this was developed under Sir Ive supervision? They look like a Satechi or Moshi product..(no offense to them, who do a great job under radically different budget and price tags) but these are really appalling. I’ll be stunned if this sells well.
 
I tend to like MKBHD full reviews but iJustine I tend to see as just a commercial for whatever product she gets.
She's pretty so she gets the clicks, can't fault her, if I was a female and could pull it off I would too. Her sister was able to ride her coattails into becoming a reviewer too. I wouldn't watch iJustine video to decide if I wanted to by a product.
Not a huge fan of her (see previous post) but you’re writing her success off quite harshly. This just sounds sexist.
 
Simple. They already have a very good selling $350 headphone...Beats Studio3 (and will release a 4 when they want). So why make a headphone that competes with one you ALREADY have? Thats bad business, and Apple usually doesnt make bad business moves. So this headphone ISNT designed to compete with $350 headphones...maybe look at the $500 headphone market...THATS the competition.

Does the $350 headphone do Spatial Audio? Have 7 microphones analyzing the sound and adjusting the frequency based on the source material, the fit on your ears, and the environment to offer the same sonic experience regardless of source material or the environment or placement of the headphones? There are LOTS of things the $350 headphones on the market wont do that these headphones will....Now if you dont need or want those features, then buy the Beats...at $350.

Oh and these are some of the Airpods Max competitors....I guarantee it will outselll all of them combined.

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Curious selection of competitors...Cannot comment on sound quality yet, but design wise the Apple Headphones are really appalling and disappointing. Material and built quality of the B&O are miles away...I think you pointed in right direction, these are “pimped” beats that unfortunately look like Satechi or Moshi products...(no offense to them who do good job under very different budget and price tag). And they’re way overpriced IMHO. Don’t expect them to sell that well, but we’ll see.
 
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i think that is key word mate you hit the nail on the head, target audience.
I would love an xdr display but i am not target for those not content creator business person.
IMHO in this case Apple targeted audience will have better and cheaper options, making it hard to sell this. I suspect that design options also will make potential buyers (like me) to keep away from these.
 
I actually think that's what Apple is doing. They're aiming for a sound that's close to high-end Sennheisers for most of the songs that their potential customers listen to and they're doing it with a lower price tag. Apple has three advantages over audio companies like Sennheiser, AKG, or Sony.
  1. Years of purchase data from the iTunes Store allow them to know what people in the ecosystem are listening to. They can optimize the algorithm for certain genres of songs.
  2. Many, if not the majority of the new songs on the iTunes Store are "Mastered for Apple." They're dealing with fewer variables than Sennheiser, which has to make more compromises in catering to a more heterogeneous crowd.
  3. Years of research and experience in leveraging computational power to produce hi-fi sounds allow Apple to do more with less.
Besides the Apple Silicon revolution, there is a quiet revolution that's going on in the audio world. By the third of the fourth iteration of HomePod and Airpods Pro Max, Apple is going to be one of the premium mid-range headphone makers in the world.
Interesting view, though, surprisingly, I must add, at design level Apple has to do a really better job, as these are simply awful and look “cheap” too.
 
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Check B&O H9 or if you want a more affordable option the H4.
IMHO better for: Sound quality; touch control (better in new H9); battery life and specially weight, built quality and materials.
Actually I was hoping Apple was going to compete with these, but I guess not...

Thanks, I’ll have a look at the H9, I’m not madly keen on touch controls (they become annoying when wearing gloves), but I can live with them if the sound quality is worth it. Which, after all, is the single most important factor to me. Today’s going to be a trawling t’interweb looking at headphones day I think.

... after work of course 🤥
 
Curious selection of competitors...Cannot comment on sound quality yet, but design wise the Apple Headphones are really appalling and disappointing. Material and built quality of the B&O are miles away...I think you pointed in right direction, these are “pimped” beats that unfortunately look like Satechi or Moshi products...(no offense to them who do good job under very different budget and price tag). And they’re way overpriced IMHO. Don’t expect them to sell that well, but we’ll see.

I have (among many, many, many others...it’s an obsession) a Satechi wireless aluminium keyboard, it is excellent quality in every way. Their customer support is also superb. They sent me a new keyboard when, ahem, someone spilled a can of Monster all over my keyboard. It still works, but eww, sticky :D

Mind you, having seen their fugly mouse, god only knows what headphones would be like.
 
Not likely, Sony's built a rep better than Bose. I expect Apple will have battery life problems. And that acoustic shield looks shoddy to me.
your right , you definitely know more about acoustic shielding than apple engineers. you must be the smartest person in the world currently. to be able to look at a picture and size a product up completely. absolutely incredible. kudo's to you for being so incredible.
 
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I’ve yet to see anything (even from their own marketing) that even remotely justifies the insane price for these headphones. Even taking into account an expected “apple tax” there doesn’t seem to be any significant tech or features in this.

Am I missing something?
 
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Not a huge fan of her (see previous post) but you’re writing her success off quite harshly. This just sounds sexist.
Being female and then being a pretty female at that in the tech world helps your subs. Just the way it is. Not saying she couldn't do it herself and timing is everything but I believe her looks helped. I will give her props for not wearing skimpy clothes or doing those clickbait thumbnails to get subs
 
I’ve yet to see anything (even from their own marketing) that even remotely justifies the insane price for these headphones. Even taking into account an expected “apple tax” there doesn’t seem to be any significant tech or features in this.

Am I missing something?
Every impression that’s compared it to the XM4 or Bose has said these sound better and have better build quality. If it’s even slightly better, a lot of people will pay for them.
 
your right , you definitely know more about acoustic shielding than apple engineers. you must be the smartest person in the world currently. to be able to look at a picture and size a product up completely. absolutely incredible. kudo's to you for being so incredible.
I've been buying Apple since 82'. I've seen what a burn looks like. Woven soundblockers look like a burn with the apple premium tacked on.
I'll stick with brands I Know are decent. It's too bad my Sennheisers are corded and lack sound cancellation.
You go ahead and buy your "Beats-Plus". Pay the Apple premium and see how happy that makes you.
Brands that have stood the test of time are a better bet than the newby on the block.
 
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Every impression that’s compared it to the XM4 or Bose has said these sound better and have better build quality. If it’s even slightly better, a lot of people will pay for them.
Unfortunately the Apple phones have considerable downsides including a much heavier weight and a less practical size and shape for travelling.

The main and biggest problem however is their ridiculous multiple re-encoding of AAC via bluetooth - if people realised what kind of digital torture is going on with these things nobody would be using the word 'audiophile'.
To make things worse there is no jack input meaning that overall these are a wasted opportunity for anyone who has decent hearing and cares about sound quality.

If Apple genuinely wanted to innovate, they would integrate lossless wireless audio transmission from ALAC or AAC, combined with wireless charging in a lightweight, noise-cancelling, visually attractive package.
As things are, at 600 dollars they're little more than fanboy trinkets.
(And I speak as someone more than happy to pay in excess of 2000 on worthwhile headphones).
 
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I'll admit if they were $350 I probably would have bought me a pair for watching shows on my AppleTV and they have Dolby ATMOS
 
Nothing can be proven outside of Apple of course, but leakers have said Apple was planning a touch surface interface, and that does very much fall into line with what you would expect from Apple.
Putting a Apple watch tiny scroll wheel that you have to blindly reach up and find to be able to control things,m must, by simple common sense be quite obvious that would not have been a original planned interface method.
More a we need to get something working for now option.
I'd rather "blindly reach up" for something physical where I can use my actual sense of touch, than grope for some smooth touch surface that does god-knows-what if you graze it the wrong way.

Maybe these "leakers" were somehow right and someone at Apple realized what a crap idea it was to put a touch control on something you can't visually orient your fingers to.
 
I swear since October when Apple announced / revealed that only a USB-c Lightning cable, only, no charger, would ship with the iPhone 12; that there were a lot of comments and strong feelings that it was instead very anti-consumer specifically because so few people have USB-c chargers.
I disagree with those comments, in part because the iPhone also will charge with a regular USB-Lightning cable and a regular USB adapter or computer port (assuming sufficient power). So even if a new iPhone owner doesnt have USB-C, they probably are fine anyway. That's even more true here, since it's unlikely at this price point that an owner of these headphones lacks a way to charge them. There certainly will be some outlier scenarios, but USB-C isn't even a little bit uncommon at this point.
 
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Unfortunately the Apple phones have considerable downsides including a much heavier weight and a less practical size and shape for travelling.

The main and biggest problem however is their ridiculous multiple re-encoding of AAC via bluetooth - if people realised what kind of digital torture is going on with these things nobody would be using the word 'audiophile'.
To make things worse there is no jack input meaning that overall these are a wasted opportunity for anyone who has decent hearing and cares about sound quality.

If Apple genuinely wanted to innovate, they would integrate lossless wireless audio transmission from ALAC or AAC, combined with wireless charging in a lightweight, noise-cancelling, visually attractive package.
As things are, at 600 dollars they're little more than fanboy trinkets.
(And I speak as someone more than happy to pay in excess of 2000 on worthwhile headphones).

Maybe but if you have Sony or Bose you are paying for the same format with Apple Music or Spotify. If these sound better with that format, people will pay.
 
iPad / Laptop + Netflix vs in-flight movies ... I know which I choose, but anyway.

Are they really completing with Bose or Sony market though? They could take some of it for sure, but I think these are going to be completing with the "trendy" Beats market more than the frequent flyer, noise cancelling market.

3.5mm is available, I'm more interested to see how they perform without bluetooth. (but I'll be sticking with my passive headphones for the foreseeable future).

Always been a fan of in-flight because they have movies still in theaters, or ones that are between theaters and being available to the general public.
 
Am I missing something?
The significant tech, build quality and brand
The main and biggest problem however is their ridiculous multiple re-encoding of AAC via bluetooth - if people realised what kind of digital torture is going on with these things nobody would be using the word 'audiophile'.
To make things worse there is no jack input meaning that overall these are a wasted opportunity for anyone who has decent hearing and cares about sound quality.

If Apple genuinely wanted to innovate, they would integrate lossless wireless audio transmission from ALAC or AAC, combined with wireless charging in a lightweight, noise-cancelling, visually attractive package.
As things are, at 600 dollars they're little more than fanboy trinkets.
(And I speak as someone more than happy to pay in excess of 2000 on worthwhile headphones).
Re-encoding happens for EVERY bluetooth headphone.

Heavy does not necessarily mean uncomfortable if the weight distribution is right.

And you CAN get a 3.5mm to lightning cable (sold separately).

Yes wireless lossless would be nice, as would ultra low (sub 20ms) latency at high def for musicians and gamers. However, much like the 720p camera fiasco on the MacBooks the tech simply isn't there yet.

There are only a handful of reviews so far - none of us know how great or badly they will perform in comparison to similar spec cans. The fit, finish, ANC and convenience with idevices will be well worth the price to many alone without even starting to talk about how good or bad the audio is.
 
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The significant tech, build quality and brand

Re-encoding happens for EVERY bluetooth headphone.

Heavy does not necessarily mean uncomfortable if the weight distribution is right.

And you CAN get a 3.5mm to lightning cable (sold separately).

Yes wireless lossless would be nice, as would ultra low (sub 20ms) latency at high def for musicians and gamers. However, much like the 720p camera fiasco on the MacBooks the tech simply isn't there yet.

There are only a handful of reviews so far - none of us know how great or badly they will perform in comparison to similar spec cans. The fit, finish, ANC and convenience with idevices will be well worth the price to many alone without even starting to talk about how good or bad the audio is.
From what I gather the AAC gets transcoded / redithered again before lossy transmission Bluetooth.... fine for a cheapo pair of cans, diabolical at this price range, or something claiming to be such high quality.

Extra weight is always a disadvantage, whether it’s in your bag or on your head. I didn’t say anything about comfort.
A 3.5 to lightening converter is NOT the same as an analogue jack connection...either for sound quality or convenience.
No doubt people will buy these things for the image and ecosystem but like I said before, they’re basically just trinkets and a huge missed opportunity to actually innovate.
 
the "smart case" is neither smart nor a case.

additionally, you can't turn then off properly and you need the flimsy non-case to put them in a "low power" state?

yeah, that would be hard pass at 100 bucks already.
 
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additionally, you can't turn then off properly and you need the flimsy non-case to put them in a "low power" state?
Isn't there an intermediate power state? There is detection whether the cups are over your ears or not, though I have not read if that affects power use. I would prefer a button to actually put them into low power and ear detection to leave low power.
 
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