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Has she tried bone conduction? Couple of my friends had no hearing in one ear due to accidents/birth issues. Bone conduction worked for them - after a period of their brain adjusting to sound they can now hear from both ears via bone conduction.
Thank you for letting me know about that! 😃

I hadn’t heard about bone conduction before but I will definitely research it online as well as asking her doctor. In the past she didn't want hearing aids since the hearing loss is on one side and she figures a hearing aid would just sound weird when combined with normal sound coming in her good ear at the same time. Hopefully the bone conduction is the answer 🤞🏻 If it works I’ll come back to let you know that you’re a lifesaver rxp 💙
 
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This really is a nice update and I’m glad that Apple is focusing on hearing loss protection. I just don’t think it’s quite accepted yet though to wear AirPods when interacting directly with other people. It still gives the impression that you’re not actively listening or participating in a conversation. Out of politeness I still remove mine when interacting with a cashier for example.

But maybe that’s just me.
I hear you. I’m the same way. I take my AirPods off when I go into a grocery store. It just looks too aloof, self-centered, and self important walking around a store with earbuds on.
 
Not really. OTC devices are only appropriate for mild hearing losses. There are output restrictions on OTC for obvious reasons. They do not want people destroying their own ears with a device that is meant to improve their ability to communicate. OTC has been viewed as the equivalent of buying reading glasses (cheaters) at Walgreens. It’s a band-aid.
Exactly. I think some are too quick to praise this as revolutionary. Well maybe in a sense. But OTC hearing aids have their place but don’t replace prescription hearing aids.
 
Thank you for letting me know about that! 😃

I hadn’t heard about bone conduction before but I will definitely research it online as well as asking her doctor. In the past she didn't want hearing aids since the hearing loss is on one side and she figures a hearing aid would just sound weird when combined with normal sound coming in her good ear at the same time. Hopefully the bone conduction is the answer 🤞🏻 If it works I’ll come back to let you know that you’re a lifesaver rxp 💙
Hope it works, let me know! Once of my friends has been deaf in one ear from birth so it took a while for his brain to adapt. The other had hearing loss later in life and it helps instantly.
 
…no one is saying these are different AirPods Pro 2 models. We all understand this is a new software based feature for an existing product.

i think they're clarifying for people who may not be aware (partially me, who was watching the presentation albeit distracted by productive things) that apple brought up 3 products without making it abundantly clear they are absolutely NOT new products.

great as the hearing aids thing is, it's important to know they're not new airpods pro
 
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I think people are underestimating how big this is for Apple to finally request FDA clearance. I know loved ones who have prescription hearing aids for moderate loss but don’t always wear them for various reasons. Hearing aids can run $3-5k+ easily, and often lack any high tech features or seamless integration. Airpods Pro as part time OTC hearing aids and part time ear buds for only $250 is a huge selling point for anyone with mild/moderate loss, financial constraints, or those simply wanting something more discrete and easier to use. They will really shine during exercise, traveling, and many other use cases.
 
I can’t imagine a 1 trillion dollar company could do a better version. So just ignore the feature.

1. mimi is the established industry-leader in this area. This is what they do. Apple may have more money, but history has shown that Apple throwing money at projects is not a substitute for experience or specialisation.
2. The mimi app is already leveraging AirPods' full audio range capabilities to generate an audiogram. Play a frequency at a certain tone and volume, can you hear it? That's how audiograms are generated, how do you think Apple will magically do this any differently?
3. The adjustment of audio output according to audiograms has for years already been provided by Apple's own baked-in headphones accommodations which elevate frequencies as necessary to compensate for hearing loss as captured in the audiogram. What else can Apple do with that, apart from move it from being hidden deep in the accessibility settings to a dedicated app?

So, back to my original question: given that the mimi process appears to be the same as what Apple have announced and the fundamental principle of the process is so simple that there's no real scope to do it differently, apart from Apple once again taking someone else's product and re-wrapping it as their own, what do you imagine is going to be different here?
 
So, back to my original question: given that the mimi process appears to be the same as what Apple have announced and the fundamental principle of the process is so simple that there's no real scope to do it differently, apart from Apple once again taking someone else's product and re-wrapping it as their own, what do you imagine is going to be different here?
The difference is Apple actually know in detail the SPL delivered precisely. Mimi is likely working off an Apple spec sheet. The internal facing mics on the Air Pods can establish fit factor which has an impact on SPL delivered to the ear drum. It can also account for ear canal resonance. Not hard to believe that Apple's internal algorithms will be better able to report the information because they can use live raw data from all the sensors/mics

What's the benefit? An exact, calibrated, detail of SPL loss rather than getting the general spectrum of loss correct but missing exact db loss.
 
The difference is Apple actually know in detail the SPL delivered precisely. Mimi is likely working off an Apple spec sheet. The internal facing mics on the Air Pods can establish fit factor which has an impact on SPL delivered to the ear drum. It can also account for ear canal resonance. Not hard to believe that Apple's internal algorithms will be better able to report the information because they can use live raw data from all the sensors/mics

What's the benefit? An exact, calibrated, detail of SPL loss rather than getting the general spectrum of loss correct but missing exact db loss.
Thanks, that's the type of interesting and informed response I was hoping for.
 
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I did not know this context. Interesting. Do you have some sources? I wanna share it with some folks.
The Mimi hearing test app is still available on the App Store and can be used to create an audiogram which can than be used in the iPhone settings to boost those missing frequencies. The music app is pulled. I still have it on my phone but it just shows a screen saying the service will be closed march 2020 and if you still want to enjoy personalized music check out our partners. I tried googling their patents to see who owns them and interestingly although the founders had their breakthrough with Mimi in 2014 the first patents they own that I could find were filed in 2020. Looks like they either didn't bother to patent the technology prior to pulling the app or more likely they sold the core patents to someone. It may be Apple who bought the patents straight, it may be some other investors, who knows.

I just know I can't use my old Sony headphones to listen to music like I used to and Apples only excuse is BS saying the technology needs the H2 chip to work cause its so complex so it only works with the AirPods Pro and Max, when in reality it worked perfectly fine on my iPhone 7 doing all the work.

Surely I love listening to music with my AirPods Pro but whenever I want to use my Sony over the ear headphones which sound amazing the sound difference is quite notable. Its like watching a movie crystal clear on your tiny phone screen or seeing it on your big screen TV but without your glasses.
 
I was wondering the same thing. I sure hope it's different/better because applying the Mimi generated audiogram didn't offer any improvements that I could notice.

For me it was like night and day. Like putting on glasses for the first time and seeing clearly again. But it's still limited to the iPhone and iPads. Can't use the audiogram on the Apple TV or the Mac.
 
This was the most exciting part of the keynote for me.
I've been half deaf on my left ear since I was a kid, had surgeries that fixed things up (4 of them) until a few years ago I lost it again for good, now I either get a bone implant or keep on using hearing aid which btw improved my life significantly. If this works half as good as my current hearing aid does I could keep my AirPods on at work instead of constantly switching them in and out.
Big kudos to Apple for this!

I have a pair of Pro 1st gen that are all busted and do crackly sounds.. but I don't see AirPods Pro 3 coming anytime soon. Might as well just get a pair of Pro 2 for the time being.

Do you use an audiogram with your Pro 1st gen?
 
To my knowledge the only difference between the Lightning and USB-C version is the charging case. There is no difference in the AirPods. It is possible to order just the USB-C case. That seems like a waste as my Lightning case works just fine with either a cable or MagSafe charging. For $100.00 I would not even consider updating the case to USB-C.
There is something different. You need the USB-C case version to get lossless audio with the Vision Pro.
 
I have hearing aids and I am able to take calls on my hearing aids. I can also stream although the quality of the audio is not as good as the AirPods.
Same, although I work in a noisy office. With AirPods Pro the noise reduction feature is key to being able to hear on calls or listening to a meeting. It’s pretty awesome to take calls, stream music, audiobooks, etc, through my hearing aids, too! For me, it just doesn’t work in a loud office.
 
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Well it used to be a free for all feature (Mimi hearing test and Mimi music app) that I have been using with my Sony headphones and the iPhone 7. Then Apple seemed to have bought the rights and made Mimi pull their music app. Now it works with AirPods Pro and Max only. Not my old Sony headphones, not the newest Beats headphones, nothing but the AirPods Pro and Max. So yeah Apple is using this feature to block old perfectly fine hardware and sell expensive new hardware. What a shame.
Is somehow Apple preventing you from using your "old Sony headphones". I don't think so, you can still perform hearing tests, the headphone accomodation (which is the feature that uses the results of the hearing test) has always been exclusive for AirPods and Beats, so I don't know what you are talking about.

You can still use your headphones with iPhone just as before.
 
they show them during a brand new keynote where they have always announced new hardware.
I had several friends text me that they are ordering the new AirPods Pros and they already have them, so I had to show them enough info that they decided to cancel the orders, that was just 5 people that I know. So try to imagine the general public who just see's an ad and believes it is newer than their current devices. Apple is known for yearly updates on products so it isn't out of the ordinary for many people to think these are new.
I doubt "we all" applies to "we all".
You must have deaf of stup!d friends. OR you are just making this up.
Apple made it very clear this was going to be available as a free software update.
 
I didn't watch the event so I don't know exactly what the difference is with older AirPods, but I saw something online that mentioned over the ear functionality-- or I misread something.
The standard new AirPods were described as "open air", which you might have misheard as over the ear?

"The best open ear headphones, also known as the best air conduction headphones, are designed to deliver quality sound while keeping you aware of your surroundings. They don't place any tech within your ear canal, but position a small speaker just outside of it. This means open ear headphones are a solid choice for outdoor runners or anyone else who wants to hear what's going on in their immediate environment. They're also a good idea for people who don't like the feeling of buds or silicone tips in their ears." -- stolen from a techradar review.
 
The mimi app is already leveraging AirPods' full audio range capabilities to generate an audiogram. Play a frequency at a certain tone and volume, can you hear it? That's how audiograms are generated
A true hearing test involves more than just tones. There are words spoken that the listener says back. This part of the test determines how well an individual understands speech. Speech is more important than simple tones. The Apple future capability may include this test. The Mimi app with simple tones is a start, but is not complete. The speech and tone tests are done in a sound proof room. Finding such a location in a home environment is impossible.

Once the tests are done, a very specific profile is generated. My devices adjust the sound in multiple points on the spectrum. How many frequency locations will Apple provide?

Those that comment about hearing aids, without ever having used such devices are guessing. My hearing aids can stream from multiple devices, including Apple devices. I can take phone calls. There is noise suppression. The battery lasts 18 hours with a 4 hour recharge. The custom fitted ear molds stay in easily and are so comfortable I forget I am wearing hearing aids. They can be expensive.

For many people that cannot afford custom hearing aids, and OTC devices are marginal, the Apple solution is a really good start and may be a real boost for many. Even though I wear hearing aids, I am excited for the arrival of the new capability of the AirPods.

If Apple provides equalization of music to match the hearing profile, that would be awesome.
 
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