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So I've been using one of these for a few years - I believe it's the latest model - and I know that Apple has discontinued it. What I wanted to know is whether they are still providing support for it, in particular security updates. If not, is there a vulnerability to continue to use it?
 
They have released one or two updates in the past year, so it appears they are continuing to provide at least support relating to extreme vulnerabilities and the occasional new feature relating to new ecosystem features (like airplay 2).

But given that technology has moved on, it would be a good idea to consider other options moving forward.
 
Apple is still supporting AirPort, even older AirPort devices.

I recently updated the firmware of a 12 year old AirPort Express.
 
I retired my working AirPort Extreme replacing it with a Linksys EA9500. Then replacing that with 8 eero Pro’s throughout my plaster-and-lath-WiFi-killing walls.

How are your speeds with the 8 eero Pros and are you able to do Time Machine backups with it? I just noticed my Airport Extreme's max wifi speeds seem to be 135Mbps and I'm not sure if that's an issue with my Airport Extreme (it is having overheating issues right now) or of them in general. So I'm looking to possibly replace.

I saw this discussed in another thread:

I would get the best Ac router that has Time Machine Server software inside it the Synology RT2600ac. Then if you want mesh with that router get the Synology MR2200ac!

This seemed like an alternative if I want to keep as close to the apple airport extreme experience.
 
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How are your speeds with the 8 eero Pros and are you able to do Time Machine backups with it? I just noticed my Airport Extreme's max wifi speeds seem to be 135Mbps and I'm not sure if that's an issue with my Airport Extreme (it is having overheating issues right now) or of them in general. So I'm looking to possibly replace.

My eeroPros are not working as well as I had hoped. WiFi speeds are pretty abysmal, hovering below 30Mpbs on my 300Mbps ISP speeds, both upload and downloads. I’m working with eero to determine why, and they’ve even suggested removing some of the eeroPros to reduce backhaul. For me, TimeMachine isn’t an issue as my backup device is an 8TB hard drive directly connected to my iMac. I do keep copies of important files encrypted in the cloud should my iMac and backup drive both fail. I’ve not used TimeMachine over WiFi so cannot comment. My net takeaway from all this is that (1) networking is not my forte, (2) eero mesh networks may work amazingly well for some but has not for me, (3) my home is a WiFi destroyer of the highest order, and (4) I’ll probably have to run CAT6 Ethernet to several of the eeroPros or range extenders if I revert back to the Linksys EA9500 and dump the eero’s. Haven’t made that decision yet.
 
Sam wrote:
"My eeroPros are not working as well as I had hoped. WiFi speeds are pretty abysmal, hovering below 30Mpbs on my 300Mbps ISP speeds, both upload and downloads"

A question about the eeroPro:
Does it use just the standard 2 radio bands (2.4ghz & 5ghz), or does it have a THIRD radio band for backhaul?

There are mesh systems out there that use THREE bands -- two for regular traffic and a third one exclusively for backhaul.

Two that come to mind are the Linksys Velop and the Netgear Orbi.
I have a 2-node Velop system and it works quite well (2 story house, 1,400sqft).
 
I have 4 Airport Extreme AC (well, one is a Time Capsule, but same thing) all connected via ethernet backhaul for full house & yard coverage. Apple released a firmware update a few months ago. Until they stop completely, I will continue using them.

Used to have 3 Airport Extremes configured with a single SSID for both 2.4GHz and 5GHz networks. If a device had a poor 5GHz signal, it would automagically switch over to the 2.4GHz network. Everything worked like a charm. Then I saw all these sexy adds for new mesh wifi systems with per-device analysis, small sized units to fit almost anywhere (and thus didn't need to be near my ethernet jacks) and all sorts of other interesting features. They won me over and I bought and installed the Google Wifi mesh system (the short, cylindrical ones; since renamed Google Hub Wifi or something like that). All my Apple devices and my Ring doorbell hated it. Worked fine for everything else, but none of my Apple devices would hold the wifi signal for more than a few minutes without dropping then restoring. It was incredibly frustrating. The Ring was similarly unstable and even ended up using an Airport to give it it's own separate wifi work. Whole thing was a mess and only ended up making things far more complicated than it needed to be. Went from having one unified wifi network with a single SSID to two different wifi systems with a total of three separate SSIDs (in attempt to stabilize the various devices from dropping signals by locking them to one of three networks -- two 2.4GHz and one 5GHz). In certain parts of the house, we'd have to manually change from one network SSID to another when the 5GHz would drop low enough to not work well, but not low enough that the device would automatically switch to the differently named 2.4GHz network. And, at least at the time, putting the Google wifi in bridge mode killed almost all of the fancy per-device features, so I was forced to have a double NAT behind my FiOS router, which I didn't want (caused problems for a few devices connected via MoCA).

Ripped out the Google wifi and replaced it with a top of the line Netgear Blackhawk something (can't recall which model) that I paid a pretty penny for. Seemed to work ok... good speeds, almost as good range (dropped off before the end of the yard but that was one unit vs. previous mesh of three). Meshing it with a signal repeater to get better coverage at one far end of the house cut speeds in half. And, somehow, it blew itself out after two weeks -- device died and wouldn't power up. Plus, to get enough coverage without meshing, it had to sit squarely in the center of the house and be close enough to either the FiOS router or an ethernet port, limiting my placement options for, shall we say, spousal aesthetic approval. Had to return it.

Put the Airports back in, and have been trouble free ever since. Even bought another one off eBay to add another node. Happily ran bridged to ethernet over MoCA. The Airports can all go into bridge mode to prevent issues with double NAT, all work fine with an ethernet backhaul (instead of mesh-over-wifi), and all my devices -- Mac, PC, iOS, Nest, etc. -- work perfectly with them without needing to resort to separate SSIDs to appease different devices.

I've since moved and replaced the Ring, but still use the 4 Airport Extreme AC units in bridge mode connected via gigabit ethernet instead of mesh-over-wifi, and couldn't be happier. Still see discussions about certain cool-sounding features that newer systems have, but until I'm convinced that they'll "just work" like the Airports, I'm sticking with what I have.
 
Sam wrote:
"My eeroPros are not working as well as I had hoped. WiFi speeds are pretty abysmal, hovering below 30Mpbs on my 300Mbps ISP speeds, both upload and downloads"

A question about the eeroPro:
Does it use just the standard 2 radio bands (2.4ghz & 5ghz), or does it have a THIRD radio band for backhaul?

There are mesh systems out there that use THREE bands -- two for regular traffic and a third one exclusively for backhaul.

Two that come to mind are the Linksys Velop and the Netgear Orbi.
I have a 2-node Velop system and it works quite well (2 story house, 1,400sqft).
eero's use a 2nd 5GHz band for backhauls.
 
My eeroPros are not working as well as I had hoped. WiFi speeds are pretty abysmal, hovering below 30Mpbs on my 300Mbps ISP speeds, both upload and downloads. I’m working with eero to determine why, and they’ve even suggested removing some of the eeroPros to reduce backhaul. For me, TimeMachine isn’t an issue as my backup device is an 8TB hard drive directly connected to my iMac. I do keep copies of important files encrypted in the cloud should my iMac and backup drive both fail. I’ve not used TimeMachine over WiFi so cannot comment. My net takeaway from all this is that (1) networking is not my forte, (2) eero mesh networks may work amazingly well for some but has not for me, (3) my home is a WiFi destroyer of the highest order, and (4) I’ll probably have to run CAT6 Ethernet to several of the eeroPros or range extenders if I revert back to the Linksys EA9500 and dump the eero’s. Haven’t made that decision yet.

Thanks for the reply. I just referenced this post in the other thread where we're also disussing. I'm ruling out the Eero Pros based on your reply and now leaning towards the Linksys Velop.

Update: went with the synology router
 
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