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**** i just bought a airport extreme yesterday and im loving the wirless music functin.

Luckily i went to my favorite computer store COMPUSA and their return policy is one of the best.

Cant wait tomorrow is not coming fast enough.
 
I sure hope they release new routers. Hopefully at a more competitive price too. I've gone through a few routers is the last month trying to find a reliable one.

To the person who suggested that iTV will also be a wireless router, consider this: If iTV is also a router, you would have to route a ethernet cable to it from your modem, defeating the purpose of wirelessly streaming media to iTV from your Mac/PC. I am willing to bet that iTV will not be a router. You want to put money on it?;)

We will find out soon!
 
I sure hope they release new routers. Hopefully at a more competitive price too. I've gone through a few routers is the last month trying to find a reliable one.

To the person who suggested that iTV will also be a wireless router, consider this: If iTV is also a router, you would have to route a ethernet cable to it from your modem, defeating the purpose of wirelessly streaming media to iTV from your Mac/PC. I am willing to bet that iTV will not be a router. You want to put money on it?;)

We will find out soon!

I said it.

It's a wireless router.WDS ?

Hello ? :p
 
yawn. whatever. can we please get some more exciting rumors. it isn't like 802.11n is something nobody has heard of yet :rolleyes:
 
To put this more clearly since it's out.

The X2 replaces the Airport Extreme card that goes in your Mac.
Folks with Core2 Duo iMacs,MacBook Pro's and MacPro's don't need to worry.A firmware update makes it .n. or X2.
The X4 replaces the Airtunes/Airport Base station.Difference is it has Ethernet/HDMI/Component Video/Toslink interface/USB and mini-jack for stereo.And it's the MacMedia Center aka iTV.This being the X4 because it needs more bandwidth/range to accommodate all the peripheral devices that pass through it.
I'm guessing there will be a dongle from Apple for the "pre-pre-n" Macs like the rev A MacBook.

just wild,rampant,insane,16 hours till keynote speculation mind you :p
 
It would be cool if the airport extremes have a firewire port to plug in external storage devices so you could keep all your drives in one place away from your computer and still have access to all the files :)
 
**** i just bought a airport extreme yesterday and im loving the wirless music functin.

Luckily i went to my favorite computer store COMPUSA and their return policy is one of the best.

Cant wait tomorrow is not coming fast enough.

CompUSA is a tool. I bought my very first PowerMac there in the mid 90's and what a frickin horrible experience I had. Not one person in the Mac Dept knew a damn thing. Before the one in Syracuse closed this past fall, all I would buy there was software that the Apple Store upstairs might not have had.
 
$10 says what is in the Pre-N iMacs, MBP, MB, and Mac Pros match whatever intel is releasing.

Thats just the thing. Apple has released models with BOTH chipsets. The iMac has a Broadcom chipset, whereas the MacBook and MacBook Pro have Atheros chipsets. Two different sides of the aisle.
 
Thats just the thing. Apple has released models with BOTH chipsets. The iMac has a Broadcom chipset, whereas the MacBook and MacBook Pro have Atheros chipsets. Two different sides of the aisle.

you're right longofest but atheros and broadcom adhere to the same WiMax specs that Intel has.

Oh ya..

One More Thing..hehehehe

Apple's Data Center and new iTunes servers went live yesterday.
 
CompUSA is a tool. I bought my very first PowerMac there in the mid 90's and what a frickin horrible experience I had. Not one person in the Mac Dept knew a damn thing. Before the one in Syracuse closed this past fall, all I would buy there was software that the Apple Store upstairs might not have had.


Yeah your right their staff have no clue about anything
but their return policy is the best.

I buy computer stuff there a lot. Anything i want they always have
so thats why i am a loyal customer, luckily i know what i want and what i need. But i remember asking a question to see if they had mini stereo jacks (2.5) the girl was stuttering like if i asked her who killed kennedy and she knew the answer it was embarrassing for her and compusa but hey.

I am not your average end user so its ok as long as they have it i'm cool.

for everything else i prefer CIRCUIT-CITY.
 
I think X2 and X4 just relate to streamlining the name of the base-stations available.

X2 will be the equivalent of the current Airport Express - plug-in, 2 Ethernet ports, USB port, stereo-out port.

X4 will be the equivalent of the current Airport Extreme Base-station - seperate unit, 4 Ethernet ports, 2 USB ports and adding stereo-out to match the Express's streaming capabilities.

Makes perfect sense...most people will only need the X2 variant, and those with small offices etc and a few machines on a wired network will choose the X4 version.
 
An 802.11n router, with two or four GigE ports even, should not be costing more than $100 at the point of sale. It's probably a single chip solution! The current Airport is overpriced and needs rebooting every month - something my nice reliable Linksys at home has never required.

The problem with wireless is that unless you have perfect reception you will connect at a far lower speed than the figure on the box. For example you most likely connect at 11mbps or 22mbps on a 54mbps wireless network (which is okay for most things, and the network is shared anyway). You can stream compressed HD video at 22mbps - not Bluray or HDDVD quality HD though, only CATV HD quality. 802.11n will mean more connections at >>22mbps which will aid in streaming greatly, even in larger houses with many barriers and multiple wireless clients contending for the bandwidth.

True, I have a Linksys WRT300N router that supports MIMO, and both 20 and 40MHz channels. I got it for $85 on special at Fry's. With my previous G router, my connection from my living room TiVo to thge router next to my iMac in the home office was never more than 30%. With the MIMO router I routinely get 80%, and have even seen 96%. None of my equipment has N cards in it, so this is all at G speeds.
 
Huh?

To put this more clearly since it's out.

The X2 replaces the Airport Extreme card that goes in your Mac.
Folks with Core2 Duo iMacs,MacBook Pro's and MacPro's don't need to worry.A firmware update makes it .n. or X2.
The X4 replaces the Airtunes/Airport Base station.Difference is it has Ethernet/HDMI/Component Video/Toslink interface/USB and mini-jack for stereo.And it's the MacMedia Center aka iTV.This being the X4 because it needs more bandwidth/range to accommodate all the peripheral devices that pass through it.
I'm guessing there will be a dongle from Apple for the "pre-pre-n" Macs like the rev A MacBook.

just wild,rampant,insane,16 hours till keynote speculation mind you :p

I think X2 and X4 just relate to streamlining the name of the base-stations available.

X2 will be the equivalent of the current Airport Express - plug-in, 2 Ethernet ports, USB port, stereo-out port.

X4 will be the equivalent of the current Airport Extreme Base-station - seperate unit, 4 Ethernet ports, 2 USB ports and adding stereo-out to match the Express's streaming capabilities.

Makes perfect sense...most people will only need the X2 variant, and those with small offices etc and a few machines on a wired network will choose the X4 version.

People! Come on. Read the first post in this thread. The description is referring to a wireless protocol, not a new product from Apple. My PB G4 is equipped with "Airport Extreme", but I don't have an Airport base station. For those that forgot, here is what the description says,

Wireless networking is about to undergo major changes, with 802.11n, or Airport Extreme X2 and X4.

Note that Apple's name for the wireless communications protocol 802.11n will be "Airport Extreme X2 and X4".

rendit
 
And to think... the current Airport Extremes have been out LONGER than the iSights....

I think that's the answer! For the older machines without N cards, you can buy a combo iSight/Wireless-N in one unit. It's the perfect combination, as it places the wireless antenna up high, for better range/less interferance to the router, and you only have one Firewire cord to plug in for both.
 
Banana Shmanana

Make it banana shapped and also a skype phone....

You mean like this bad boy from B & O? ;)

Although I'm not holding my breath for some kind of phone from Apple come Tuesday morning, I WOULD be thrilled to discover that through an update my new 24-inch iMac could take advantage of a supposed "n" card already installed and ready. Currently I use the iMac to stream music to 4 Express units, so I have wireless music throughout the house. If this would increase the RANGE (nevermind the speed) that would be a Godsend, as I have slight issues sometimes with my further-away AirPort Express devices.

Bring it on, Steve. This one has as much excitement and buzz as 2002 - boy, those were the days. :D
 

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why is faster networking stuff exciting for most consumers? It frankly isn't. Even on my G network, you can easily stream divx/h264 video as long as it isn't HD. Hell, even then it's not so stuttery as long as it's encoded in h264. But that's besides the point. The only thing that 99% of people even use a wireless network for is to surf the internet, and as someone has mentioned, that isn't improved at all by this. They might sell some units, but a $400 router that doesn't add much functionality isn't gonna move a lot of units.

Personally while the bumped speed is nice. I only use wi-fi besides internet for music and when your transfering gigs its nice the speed. But thats not often. More importantly is the increased distance. Nearly 5 times the radius is claimed, meaning maybe about 3. WHICH IS STILL AMAZING. Right now most houses have a problem getting coverage in the whole house, not anymore. On top of that going downtown will allow you to pick up a lot more signals since right now you can usually find one or two open channels anywhere u go, but the signal can be week.
 
Dammit. Airport Extreme X2? Airport Extreme X4? I was hoping for an Airport Extreme Plus Limited Special Anniversary Edition. :p
 
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To the person who suggested that iTV will also be a wireless router, consider this: If iTV is also a router, you would have to route a ethernet cable to it from your modem, defeating the purpose of wirelessly streaming media to iTV from your Mac/PC. I am willing to bet that iTV will not be a router. You want to put money on it?;)

ANY machine that has two network interfaces and runs a UNIX-like OS can be a router. In fact by default the BSD kernel will route packets. Typically you have to disable this if you don't want it. So if the iTV has both an RJ45 port and a wireless interface and it runs a stripped down version of Mac OS it very well could route packets. But will it? I don't know but it would be a cool feature to have that would cost Apple nothing.

About running the wire from the modem to the iTV. If your internet connection is from the Cable TV company then you would only need a very short wire. Many people already have cable modems very close to where the iTV box would be installed. So YES i expect the iTV box might make a nice router. Like I said, it would cost Apple nothing to add this feature
 
I think that's the answer! For the older machines without N cards, you can buy a combo iSight/Wireless-N in one unit. It's the perfect combination, as it places the wireless antenna up high, for better range/less interferance to the router, and you only have one Firewire cord to plug in for both.

Thats a nice idea. Im sure though not a lot of people would want to pay a $200 pricetag for a camera since it comes with wireless they dont want. I definetly believe they should make such a product, just make sure its not your sole product. Maybe a USB key. And a seperate smaller camera for laptops.
 
Based on a quick read of this,

http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/802dot112/chapter/ch15.pdf

it seems that the X2 and X4 monikers refer to whether the channels are 20 MHz (legacy 802.11) or 40 MHz wide. There are two main draft approaches to 802.11n: WWiSE or TGnSync. Although Apple may not be taking sides yet, I'd guess they are with the TGnSync camp, as this group is pushing for the use of 802.11n as a way to stream HDTV or DVD content. Also, Intel is part of this consortium.

Anyhow, with 20 MHz channels both drafts achieve top speeds around 135/140 Mbps, which is a little over 2X the speed of 802.11g (54 Mbps, ignoring the turbo stuff). However, if the channels are 40 MHz wide, then bandwidth effectively doubles and top speeds are up around 270/315 Mbps. 270/135 = 2, justifying the X4 moniker.

rendit

Thanks. This makes a lot of sense.

I checked wikipedia but am still a bit fuzzy about the range N has over G. Wiki says 50m versus 30m for G, which sounds like almost a doubling of range. Anyone know if this range advantage is likely to be realised with Apple's configuration?
 
I said it.

It's a wireless router.WDS ?

Hello ? :p

Oh, Wireless distribution system (thanks wikipedia:p ). I thought you meant a standard wireless router. I guess that makes more sense. Is this something that Apple stated during the demo?

I hope I didn't come off as a jerk in my previous post.:eek:

I guess I'm still a noob at some of this technical stuff.
 
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